Police evicting Zuccotti park right now

[RedZero]

Police handing out letter to Occupy protesters telling them they must vacate New York's Zuccotti Park or be arrested - NBC

NYT NEWS ALERT: Police Begin Clearing Zuccotti Park of Occupy Wall Street Protesters

Saying they're going to clear the camp, throw everything away if people do not take up their belongings.

Twitter accounts to follow for info:
- https://twitter.com/#!/OccupyInfo (https://twitter.com/#%21/OccupyInfo)
- https://twitter.com/#!/DiceyTroop (https://twitter.com/#%21/DiceyTroop)
- https://twitter.com/#!/OccupyWallSt (https://twitter.com/#%21/OccupyWallSt)
- https://twitter.com/#!/MotherJones

Live streams:
- http://www.livestream.com/occupynyc
- http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution
- CBS News Helicopter Livestream (http://www.cbsnews.com/liveFeed/widget.shtml)

Media live updates:
- Reuters live updates (http://live.reuters.com/Event/Occupy_Wall_Street2)

[RedZero]

Unless I just haven't kept myself up-to-date, this is really unexpected and sudden...

[RedZero]

Hundreds of police officers, some in riot gear, descended on Zuccotti Park after midnight Tuesday in a surprise sweep of the Occupy Wall Street headquarters.


A Bloomberg News report Monday (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-15/u-s-mayors-crack-down-on-occupy-wall-street.html) stated that mayors across the country had ordered police to shut down camps allied with the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations, saying they had deteriorated from a protest against income inequality into a backdrop for crime and violence.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Occupy-Wall-Street-Protests-Sweep-Cops-Riot-Gear-133859263.html

[RedZero]

http://occupywallst.org/article/nypd-raiding-liberty-square/


Updates

1:27 a.m. Police scanner says EVERYONE is going to be swept.
1:20 a.m. Subway stops are closed.
1:20 a.m. Brooklyn bridge is closed.
1:20 a.m. Occupiers chanting "this is what a police state looks like."
1:20 a.m. Police are in riot gear.
1:20 a.m. Police are bringing in bulldozers.

[RedZero]

Police are blocking anyone from getting to Zuccotti Park, including the press.

BS alert --> NYC Mayors office message: Occupants of Zuccotti should temporarily leave and remove tents and tarps. Protestors can return after the Park is cleared.

[mrmikhail]

Police are blocking anyone from getting to Zuccotti Park, including the press.

BS alert --> NYC Mayors office message: Occupants of Zuccotti should temporarily leave and remove tents and tarps. Protestors can return after the Park is cleared.

They tried this in October as well, but the private owner of the park later cancelled their request to have it "swept", I'd imagine that this might be stemming from a new request, or could be NYC going along with the sweeping elsewhere in the country.

[RedZero]

Updates from here: http://live.reuters.com/Event/Occupy_Wall_Street2


"Before the police moved in, they set up a battery of klieg lights and aimed them into the park. A police captain wearing a visored helmet walked down Liberty Street with an announcement: “The city has determined that the continued occupation Zuccotti Park poses an increasing health and fire safety hazard.” The protesters were ordered to “to immediately remove all private property” and that if they interfered with the police operation, they would be arrested. Property that was not removed, the police said, would be sent to the dump."

RT @NBCNewYork: At least three arrests at Zuccotti Park. #OWS

RT @Newyorkist: Sanitation truck just arrived with trash cans and shovels/rakes?

[RedZero]

This is ridiculous. I hope that it fuels more people to take action, to be pissed off at the status quo.

[RedZero]

Bloomberg to Occupy Wall Street: Drop Dead - http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/11/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-drop-dead

[Welshy]

This is ridiculous. I hope that it fuels more people to take action, to be pissed off at the status quo.

Well, it is just in time for the day of action on the 17th.

[Commissar Rykov]

Well, it is just in time for the day of action on the 17th.
I imagine that was likely the point of the push at this point.

[mrmikhail]

Well, it is just in time for the day of action on the 17th.

Yep, they are destroying the base of operations so there will be less of an issue on the 17th.

[RedZero]

I hadn't even thought of this (from the Mother Jones article above): "The real motivation for Bloomberg's action appears to be OWS's announced plan to "Shut Down Wall Street" and "Occupy the Subways" on Tuesday."

Wow.

edit: you guys beat me to my epiphany.. :P

[R_P_A_S]

why does the city wanna give them selves MORE work? fuck is wrong with people? cleaning the park? give me a break!

[RedZero]

“@skidder (https://twitter.com/#%21/skidder): CBS News NY News Desk tells me helicopter was forced down by NYPD-they had 2 go down for fuel but weren't allowed back up. #ows (https://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23ows)”

[TheGodlessUtopian]

With all the recent police evictions of the occupations sites I am wondering what the resistance will be of the people;will they return and continue the fight or lie down?

[Martin Blank]

OWS organizers are calling for supporters to gather at Foley Square now.

[RedZero]

http://occupywallst.org/article/nypd-raiding-liberty-square/


2:55 a.m. NYC council-member Ydanis Rodríguez arrested and bleeding from head.
2:44 a.m. Defiant occupiers barricaded Liberty Square kitchen
2:44 a.m. NYPD destroys OWS Library. 5,000 donated books in dumpster.
2:42 a.m. Brooklyn Bridge confirmed closed
2:38 a.m. 400-500 marching north to Foley Square
2:32 a.m. All subways but R shut down
2:29 a.m. Press helicopters evicted from airspace. NYTimes reporter arrested.
2:27 a.m. Rally at bull statue
2:22 a.m. Frontpage coverage from New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/nyregion/police-begin-clearing-zuccotti-park-of-protesters.html?hp)
2:15 a.m. Occupiers who have been dispersed are regrouping at Foley Square
2:10 a.m. Press barred from entering Liberty Square
2:07 a.m. Pepper spray deployed -- reports of at least one reporter sprayed
2:03 a.m. Massive Police Presence at Canal and Broadway

[Manic Impressive]

"1:20 a.m. Police are bringing in bulldozers."
:blink: isn't that going to do more damage to the park? it seems odd have the protesters got erections up or something?

[RedZero]

Yeah, freedom of the press!

RT @_rosiegray (https://twitter.com/#%21/_rosiegray): Me: "I'm press!" Lady cop: "not tonight" #ows (https://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23ows)

[RedZero]

http://occupywallst.org/article/nypd-raiding-liberty-square/

"wtf?" to these updates...

3:15 a.m. NYPD destroying personal items. Occupiers prevented from leaving with their possessions.
3:13 a.m. NYPD deploying sound cannon (http://i.imgur.com/VI488.jpg)
3:08 a.m. heard on livestream: "they're bringing in the hoses."
3:05 a.m. NYPD cutting down trees in Liberty Square

[Rocky Rococo]

I do believe we're about to find out if this movement has a future or not. If people rally to it, fight back, we might just have something genuinely radical on our hands. On the other hand, we're talking Americans, so I'm not so optimistic about that "if the people rally to it, fight back" part.

In 48-72 hours we'll have a lot of questions about the future direction of things on the very large scale answered for us.

[Rocky Rococo]

reports online that people in the kitchen tent were gassed.

[Jimmie Higgins]

In Oakland tonight about 1000 people came back after the second eviction last night. People were arguing to occupy the city hall building if police blocked a return to the plaza. Tomorrow Oakland protesters head to UC Berkeley to help them re-establish their camp.

I think all the raids this week were an attempt to demoralize the national movement, but, at least here, it seems to have not had that effect. I think the atmosphere is such that repression alone will not deter people and even though Portland got kicked out eventually, seeing them stand up to the cops further emboldens people.

If the cities are able to stop these protests it will probably have to come from a political approach since resolve and determination seem high, but political depth is still shallow and pretty green (as in a new movement that hasn't worked out many political questions yet).

But at any rate, I don't think NYC will be deterred by this eviction. We could see more coordinated actions by regional occupations in the near future.

[mrmikhail]

"1:20 a.m. Police are bringing in bulldozers."
:blink: isn't that going to do more damage to the park? it seems odd have the protesters got erections up or something?

That might well be the case, but the part is privately owned, I'm sure NYC will blame most of the damage on the Occupiers. But yes they had tents and many things, such as kitchens and libraries set up.


On another note however I agree with Rocky Rococo, we shall now see if these americans are going to be true fighters against oppression, or merely roll over when the police roll in. I am hoping for the former though, hopefully this (and the other actions) will motivate more americans against their governments.

[ВАЛТЕР]

http://rt.com/on-air/police-zuccotti-park-occupy/

Live RT video from Zuccotti park.

The camp seems to have fallen without much of a fight.

[Rocky Rococo]

reports that personal possessions of the occupiers are being being thrown wholesale into a garbage truck. Ooo, those awful property crimes for which anarchists should be publicly denounced, rejected and shunned. But A-OK when the police do it! ACAB.

[mrmikhail]

http://rt.com/on-air/police-zuccotti-park-occupy/

Live RT video from Zuccotti park.

The camp seems to have fallen without much of a fight.

Yes it seems they may be on the roll over course, however there is word of them reforming elsewhere, so perhaps there still is hope in the situation.

[ВАЛТЕР]

I couldn't imagine the police trying to do this in a European protest. The city would be burned to the ground...

Now, I guess we get to see if this movement has any resolve in the face of authority.

[mrmikhail]

I couldn't imagine the police trying to do this in a European protest. The city would be burned to the ground...

Now, I guess we get to see if this movement has any resolve in the face of authority.

That much is true, but americans do have a history of rioting when police get oppressive (see LA and several other cities in history)

I mean, if they are willing to riot over the firing of a college football coach who was covering up a child rapist, then I gotta hope they'd riot over this

[Sasha]

To my experience this is Christmas coming early, if they waited another week or so the cold would have chased everyone but the crazies and the narcissists away making the whole occupy thing fissil out as seemed already to be happening going on NHIAs reports. Now people are re'energized and will look for new ways to let their anger be heard.
Occupied buildings are easier to defend then a park for example.
It also helps to frame the authority on the side of capital which strengthens the radical argument and undermines the ngo/peace brigades.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Occupying buildings is easier, buuuuuut...the real challenge to OWS going anywhere is probably more fundamental than merely building up anger or properly defending a space. There was an article I read a while back, too lazy to go look for it, in which it was said that the best martial artists use their opponents own force and motion against them in a fight. This was said in relation to social movements, in particular squatting, to be even more specific the German squatting movement.

Back in the day they built some pretty impressive fortifications surrounding the buildings they occupied, and the police weren't getting in without a fight. However, it was already trending towards a subculture, and isolation & drug use took it's toll. Eventually if you're isolated enough you're just some weirdos camping out illegally in a building, fortifications or no fortifications.

I think the main challenge is trying to connect with the community in a real tangible way. The two best examples of this I've seen so far have been Occupy Oakland and Occupy Atlanta. What's happened so far with all the defensive manuevering around occupied space is ultimately going to lead to defeat. The OWS thing needs to go on the offensive in some way if they want to see a lasting movement...I'm not entirely sure what that would mean, exactly, but I know one thing: not evolving and obsessing over how you're going to defend your park from the cops (all the while degenerating into a bizarre sideshow attraction for tourists) will lead to you getting hammered by the authorities.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Quick update: Just got back. Shit was totally fucked down there. You couldn't get in or out. Everyone is supposed to rally at Foley Square, the unions are supposedly being called out. I just got home to get a change of clothes and grab a few things and I got some texts saying the largest NYPD contingent people have ever seen show up @ Foley.

The meet ups are already scheduled for the day of action on Thursday. I don't think there's much they can do to shut that shit down. At best they're going to try to divide it and possibly force into some sort of weird space or action.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Just got a text that they're now telling people to meet at Canal & 6th @ 9 am (edit: that's Juan Pablo Duarte Square). Also hearing things like the kitchen are being reestablished at Foley. Trying to figure out what's what.

[coda]

Yeah, because of the weather, occupy ny had a time limit---- as well as the rest of the northeast and midwest movements. It gets wicked cold here.

As far as resistant efforts -- the encampment is sick with a respiratory illness that is spreading rapidly.

According to local NY news after the park is cleaned the protesters can return... and I'm sure, by that they mean without tents.

[ВАЛТЕР]

http://rt.com/news/ows-clear-zuccotti-park-347/



According to RT’s Marina Portnaya one of the eyewitnesses said on record that some police officers were using knifes to tear open the tents people were sleeping in and were yelling on them to get out and to remove the property from the park.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

psycho may be right. Still would have perhaps been a morale boost to have seen the protesters fight for their ground. Could be a decisive point for teh Occupy WS movement this.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Remember that this raid came at 1 in the morning. This was obviously planned in order to catch the occupiers off guard, there was simply no way for them to rally a defense with the majority of the encampment asleep. I doubt they would have been successful had they tried this during the day.

[coda]

NHIA, if you're going back and they aren't on Canal st. try Union Sq. Park, I hear they are gathering there.

EDIT: cancel Union Sq.

[Kadir Ateş]

I wasn't surprised, considering how successful the cops were in other places in the west coast. At this point, events are still planned for Thursday and will probably go through...we'll see. I've heard they want to occupy Folely Square now.

[coda]

there's a twitter feed up for Occupy Foley sq

(the twitter link isn't posting.)

[RED DAVE]

Just got a text that they're now telling people to meet at Canal & 6th @ 9 am (edit: that's Juan Pablo Duarte Square). Also hearing things like the kitchen are being reestablished at Foley. Trying to figure out what's what.8:23 EST

I work at Duarte Square and there's a large open space right by it that belongs to Trinity Church. I'll be down there in about 20 minutes.

RED DAVE

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

An NLG lawyer got the Supreme Court to issue an order for the city to "show cause" for what they did, and bans them from evicting or keeping people out of the park or enforcing new rules drawn up after the occupation began.

Full order is here: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/266582-order-re-liberty-park/

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I couldn't imagine the police trying to do this in a European protest. The city would be burned to the ground...

You don't need to imagine it, as it already happened (http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss_news/Zurich_police_clear_Occupy_camp.html?cid=31567736) . As far as I can tell, Zurich is still standing and not in flames.

The sentiment for many people was to avoid arrest so they could organize and prepare for the planned day of action on Thursday (http://www.revleft.com/vb/november-17-2011-t164375/index.html).

Although there was some fightback. Dozens locked themselves together arm in arm. At least one guy broke through the police line to get into the park and help them defend themselves.

[RED DAVE]

9:12 AM EST

I am right across the street from Duarte Park. There is a large open space next to it owned by Trinity Church. It's surrounded by a chain-link fence, which was secured with NO TRESPASSING signs yesterday. People are climbing the fence, but the effect would be to be in a space completely surrounded by fences, unlike Zuccotti Park, which is open to the street.

More later.

RED DAVE

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Zuccotti was barely open though. To get in or out you had to go through a small number of opening, then through one of the few openings in the barricades the cops had around the place.

I just heard there was a big group of people in front of City Hall. Cops ringed the hall to prevent anyone from going in. The group is apparently headed to where you are now (edit: or Foley, just heard conflicting reports).

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Here's the march on City Hall: http://pic.twitter.com/lnZmH26T (http://t.co/lnZmH26T)

[coda]

<<The sentiment for many people was to avoid arrest so they could organize and prepare for the planned day of action on Thursday (http://www.revleft.com/vb/november-17-2011-t164375/index.html). Although there was some fightback. Dozens locked themselves together arm in arm. At least one guy broke through the police line to get into the park and help them defend themselves.>>

Bloomberg stated in the press conference a few minutes ago that around 200 people were arrested by riot police this morning.


Edit: the twitter link to Occupy Foley sq which has photos and current organizing info is in this BBC article.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15732661

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Hearing will be held @ 11:30 for city to present its case.

The main buzz now seems to be that people are suggesting that a re-occupation of Liberty Park be attempted before 11:30, since the court order clearly allows for that.

I'm leaving. Will try to update by phone if possible.

[RED DAVE]

10:00 AM EST

About a thousand people milling around in Duarte Square. No leadership; no strategy.

RED DAVE

[The Douche]

An NLG lawyer got the Supreme Court to issue an order for the city to "show cause" for what they did, and bans them from evicting or keeping people out of the park or enforcing new rules drawn up after the occupation began.

Full order is here: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/266582-order-re-liberty-park/

If you're "allowed" to be in the park, then its not an occupation.

This could be painted as a victory I guess, but what kind of victory? We convinced the city to let us camp in parks? So what?

An occupation is confrontational, and it challenges this system because it disregards property rights.



Anyways, be safe you guys, and keep your heads up (or keep them down if it becomes necessary;)).

[RED DAVE]

11:05 AM EST

The demonstrators have cut the fence and entered the open space next to Duarte Park which is owned, I'm pretty sure, by Trinity Church, but leased to a local arts council. There are about 1500 demonstrators with a light police presence.

RED DAVE

[Lucretia]

How can anybody think this is unexpected? About a dozen occupy encampments across the US have been cleared in the past two or three days. Clearly there is a coordinated effort by the state to end these protests once and for all.

If you're in an occupy encampment that has yet to be raided, be on alert and plan for the worst.

[RED DAVE]

12:20 PM EST

Cops in riot gear have cleared out the open space, threatening to arrest people. Several people were arrested and carried out forcibly. I saw this.

RED DAVE

[RedZero]

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/updates-on-the-clearing-of-zuccotti-park/?src=twt&twt=cityroom#police-clear-church-owned-lot-arrest-about-2-dozen

Updated, 11:51 a.m. | As of noon, the protesters were trying to retake the park, and had also occupied a lot owned by Trinity Church a mile north, at Canal Street. A hearing scheduled for 11:30 a.m. on protester’s retraining order against the eviction had not yet begun. The Metro desk is following developments here and in our main news article (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/nyregion/police-begin-clearing-zuccotti-park-of-protesters.html).
http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/11/15/zuccotti_park_encampemnt_ocuppy_wall_street_protes ters_cleared_from_park_by_nypd.html?wpisrc=twitter _socialflow


UPDATE #3: The standoff continues. Slate has our own Greg Howard down there now. He reports back that the protesters continue to stand outside the barricades around Zuccotti Park, passing around the court order restoring their access to to the park.

Everyone seems to be awaiting word from the emergency hearing currently taking place in a New York City courtroom.
UPDATE #2 at 11:46 a.m.: The New York Daily News (http://live.nydailynews.com/Event/Showdown_at_Zuccotti_Park_The_NYPDs_raid_on_Occupy _Wall_Street_NYC#ixzz1dnEFWExu) has a look at how the OWS protesters were able to secure the temporary order that should -- in theory, at least -- allow them back into Zuccotti Park until a final decision is made by the courts.

The paper reports that lawyers for the movement woke up Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Lucy Billings immediately after learning of the raid. Billings, who spent more than two decades as an ACLU lawyer, then signed the restraining order.

Billings's involvement in the case will be short-lived, however, as the temporary hearing will be presided over by a different judge (one that is randomly selected).

[RedZero]

Wow, the cop at the end of this video. What is he even saying (yelling)? "let's go, sdfsdgsdgfshsfxcv start walking" is what I hear...
8Hokwli14ko

[RED DAVE]

1:05 PM EST

The demonstrators have left the area of Duarte Park. Apparently, they are headed back towards Zuccotti Park.

No leadership; no strategy.

ETA: Article with timeline from alternet:

http://www.alternet.org/rss/1/730802/crackdown_on_ows%3A_zuccotti_park_raided_under_med ia_blackout%2C_pepper_spray_and_batons_used%2C_ten ts_cleared_out?akid=7852.238573.S27S12&rd=1&t=2

RED DAVE

[Kassad]

Kasama Project has reporters and comrades on the ground reporting on the unfolding events: http://kasamaproject.org/2011/11/15/this-is-what-counter-insurgency-looks-like-coordinated-attacks-across-u-s/

This is what Counter-Insurgency looks like: Coordinated attacks across U.S.

"Embattled Oakland Mayor Jean Quan, speaking in an interview with the BBC (excerpted on The Takeaway radio program–audio of Quan starts at the 5:30 mark), casually mentioned that she was on a conference call with leaders of 18 US cities shortly before a wave of raids broke up Occupy Wall Street encampments across the country. “I was recently on a conference call with 18 cities across the country who had the same situation. . . .”

[coda]

NO ruling yet.

Here's the mayor of New York's own personal financial paper stating that the judge should not allow protesters back into the park. "It's a substantial threat to public safety."

on the contrary, it's a substantial threat to Capitalism's safety and Bloomberg's billions.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-15/zuccotti-protesters-shouldn-t-be-allowed-to-camp-out-new-york-tells-judge.html

[MattShizzle]

More stories of the NYPD acting like the Gestapo and refusing to allow the media to report:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-police-raid-eviction


The police had created a one-block buffer zone around the park—in some areas two or three blocks—and were refusing to admit even the most credentialed members of the press. A New York Times reporter had already been arrested, a member of the National Lawyers Guild told me. I feared that Occupy Wall Street's big day was being censored. As occupiers streamed out of the park, harried by baton-wielding cops, I resolved to get inside. Shielded from view by a car, I slipped under a barricade and came to another blockade across the street from the park's southeast corner, where I cut through a hole and was quickly approached by a police officer. "I'm not an occupier," I told him, holding out my business card.

"That's great, he said, pointing away from the park. "But you are going to have to wait on the other side of the street."

I waited, and when nobody was looking, I crossed back over as confidently as I could and entered a scrum of suit-wearing police brass and cleanup workers scrubbing the park's sidewalk. Nobody bothered to stop me as I strode up to the park's northern entrance and stopped against a wall,
...
"Can I help you?" an burly officer asked me, his helpfulness belied by his scowl.

"I'm a reporter," I told him.

"This is a frozen zone, all right?" he said, using a term I'd never heard before. "Just like them, you have to leave the area. If you do not, you will be subject to arrest."

By then, riot police were moving in, indiscriminately dousing the peaceful protesters with what looked like pepper spray or some sort of gas. As people yelled and screamed and cried, I tried to stay calm.

"I promise to leave once the arrests are done," I replied.

"No, you are going to leave now."

He grabbed my arm and began dragging me off. My shoes skidded across the park's slimy granite floor. All around me, zip-cuffed occupiers writhed on the ground beneath a fog of chemicals.

"I just want to witness what is going on here," I yelped.

"You can witness it with the rest of the press," he said. Which, of course, meant not witnessing it.

"Why are you excluding the press from observing this?" I asked.

"Because this is a frozen zone. It's a police action going on. You could be injured."

His meaning was clear. I let myself be hustled across the street to the press pen.

"What's your name?"

His reply came as fast as he could turn away: "Watch your back."

[coda]

Judge upholds eviction

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45299622/ns/us_news-life/


http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/judge-rules-city-bar-occupy-wall-street-tents-tarps-zuccotti-park-evictions-article-1.977674

[Sasha]

this wont be won in the courts, this will be won in the streets

occupy everything

[Ele'ill]

People here in Portland are more determined. Talked to a young couple at the GA last night. It was their first GA. They were interested in the movement now after seeing and hearing about it and the park being defended.

[The Douche]

Judge upholds eviction

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45299622/ns/us_news-life/

I know that in a way this seems like a defeat (and many liberals will claim it is), but really, if we look at it as revolutionaries, it is not.

The fact that the state will not permit this movement means that it is shaking (even if gently) the foundations of this society. It means that we're on to something.

If the state were to grant us the "right" to "occupy" a park it would no longer be an occupation, and it would no longer be fundamentally challenging the systems that we want to challenge. It would be absorbed and become a play, a spectacle acted out within the tightly defined parameters of what the state accepts as protest.

When we ask the state for permission we're only making sure that we limit ourselves and our movements.


Always say no to cooperation with the forces of state and capital, even when its not easy.

[Bardo]

Occupy Bloomberg's lawn!

[Lenina Rosenweg]

"All things Considered" on NPR had a very brief spot on OWS. It went something like "The Occupy protesters were evicted from Zuccotti Park this morning but they don't seem too concerned" They interviewed a woman who said, "Now we cnb be free to go anywhere". Their entire spot on this was easily less than a minute.

[RED DAVE]

6:55 PM EST

Here's what has happened. A few hours ago, a judge lifted a temporary restraining order against the City, which had been ignored, enjoining the pigs to let people back into the park under the previous rules.


People are permitted back into the park, 24/7, but without any camping or sleeping gear. As of this moment, people are back in there.

RED DAVE

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I was down there all day, from early on until we were let back into the park. Just got home. Tried to post updates via phone but couldn't get it to work.

Went over to Duarte and things got pretty crazy, but I got a great hearing for communist positions. For the first time since I've been involved in this, my arguments that the police are defenders of capital, nothing more, nothing less, were cheered by nearly everyone around me. I talked about the need for involvement of labor, strikes, etc., and people were genuinely interested. There were confrontations with police. Beatings. Arrests. Very serious discussions. Lots of contacts exchanged.

I am dead tired. Been awake all day. I will write up a detailed report and thoughts tomorrow in the hopes that it may contribute to this all somehow.

[aty]

I think you should seriously step it up a notch the 17th.

[mrmikhail]

I think you should seriously step it up a notch the 17th.

I believe that is already the plan, but Zuccotti park incident last night might have made the movement gain even more support, and possibly a more radical stance with it's police state display, and evidence that all the evictions of occupy movements may have been coordinated will only feed into that. So here's hoping the 17th will be a big event.

[Ocean Seal]

I was down there all day, from early on until we were let back into the park. Just got home. Tried to post updates via phone but couldn't get it to work.

Went over to Duarte and things got pretty crazy, but I got a great hearing for communist positions. For the first time since I've been involved in this, my arguments that the police are defenders of capital, nothing more, nothing less, were cheered by nearly everyone around me. I talked about the need for involvement of labor, strikes, etc., and people were genuinely interested. There were confrontations with police. Beatings. Arrests. Very serious discussions. Lots of contacts exchanged.

I am dead tired. Been awake all day. I will write up a detailed report and thoughts tomorrow in the hopes that it may contribute to this all somehow.
Get some sleep bro. Can't fight the ruling class without it.

[Os Cangaceiros]

hmm, this could be good. The OWS thing seemed to be an ascendant force from the October 15th global day of action up until around the November 2nd events in Oakland. Since then it has seemed to me to be on the defensive. Hopefully that'll change soon.

[RedZero]

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[Martin Blank]

I can only hope that the brutal police suppression of the major #Occupy encampments will finally put an end to the liberal pacifist bullshit, and spark a serious and mass discussion about the need for organized self-defense against state terrorism.

[mrmikhail]

I can only hope that the brutal police suppression of the major #Occupy encampments will finally put an end to the liberal pacifist bullshit, and spark a serious and mass discussion about the need for organized self-defense against state terrorism.

I agree, I hope that these movements with, at least to some degree, promote the groups to have a certain degree of militant movements, at least to protect themselves. The time for "peaceful" protesting is over, the police have fired the first shots so now it is time to respond with according force.

I've personally never gone to a political rally, be it planned peaceful or expecting some type of violent intervention, without an organised defence/bodyguard group within my group just in case.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Here's my report: http://www.revleft.com/vb/long-report-back-t164475/index.html?p=2296640


I can only hope that the brutal police suppression of the major #Occupy encampments will finally put an end to the liberal pacifist bullshit, and spark a serious and mass discussion about the need for organized self-defense against state terrorism.I can say that there was absolutely a shift yesterday. By the evening there wasn't even a single pro-NYPD sign to be seen or argument to be heard (the closest thing was one sign that said "NYPD your boss is a *****").

There were lots of anti-NYPD signs. I saw signs saying things like "The NYPD defends Wall Street," "The NYPD defends the rich," etc. The best was "The only case the NYPD ever got to the bottom of has donuts in it."

And, for the first time (that I saw at least), some shields started to appear.

The thing in NYC is there are so many rules about what you can and can't have. You can't use wood or metal for your signs, for example. Claims that occupiers were hiding metal in their signs was actually one of the bullshit pretexts for the attack yesterday.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

From the voice of Wall Street: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204190504577040563377026378.html

The video actually isn't bad (if you can make it through the capital adviser advertisements without vomiting), and briefly shows the fenced-in area near Duarte I mentioned in my report (http://www.revleft.com/vb/long-report-back-t164475/index.html?p=2296640).

The article also points out that:

"In recent weeks, New York police officers have been gathering on Randall's Island in the middle of the East River to receive special training in 'disorder control,' according to a law-enforcement official."

[agnixie]

Here's my report: http://www.revleft.com/vb/long-report-back-t164475/index.html?p=2296640

I can say that there was absolutely a shift yesterday. By the evening there wasn't even a single pro-NYPD sign to be seen or argument to be heard (the closest thing was one sign that said "NYPD your boss is a *****").

There were lots of anti-NYPD signs. I saw signs saying things like "The NYPD defends Wall Street," "The NYPD defends the rich," etc. The best was "The only case the NYPD ever got to the bottom of has donuts in it."

And, for the first time (that I saw at least), some shields started to appear.

The thing in NYC is there are so many rules about what you can and can't have. You can't use wood or metal for your signs, for example. Claims that occupiers were hiding metal in their signs was actually one of the bullshit pretexts for the attack yesterday.

I've also seen that shift. Some of the people who were the most adamant in keeping at least the semblance of non violence telling me things I wouldn't have expected from them, ever. I'd say I'm glad the lesson is learned by those who had yet to learn it but I can't help feeling terrible, for some reason; the involvement with PR and communications just makes me feel like I'm basically one of those responsible for endangering a lot of people who had no idea what they were about to face when it came to dealing with cops as "enemies of the state".

I'll shake off the feeling soon enough, I guess.

[RedZero]

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