Saints Row:The Third

[Princess Luna]

I all the excitement about Skyrim I totally forgot about saints row 3 is coming out tonight! who else is hyped??

[kurr]

Oh look. Another game fetishising meaningless lumpen violence.....

[o well this is ok I guess]

It looks like it's going to get old really fast.

[Tablo]

Oh look. Another game fetishising meaningless lumpen violence.....
What should we play then? Hello Kitty?

[#FF0000]

Oh look. Another game fetishising meaningless lumpen violence.....

Oh look. Another just shut the fuck up it is a video game jesus christ

[redmarxist90]

i'm looking forward to this game. It's being got for my birthday which isn't until december and i can't have it until then.

[ClearlyChrist]

Gimp Suits, And Purple Sex Toys? I'm Sold.

[Commissar Rykov]

I enjoy the completely bizarre nature of the Saints Row games they always have a very quirky sense of humor. I have to say I am excited about the idea of using cannons to shoot people out of as a weapon on a vehicle. That is just pure badass.

[kurr]

What should we play then? Hello Kitty?

Sure, but don't act like you don't have an entire mega-industry of games to choose from.
Oh look. Another just shut the fuck up it is a video game jesus christ

This coming from the same guy that views a comic that glorifies the ideology of the black bourgeoisie and bourgeois individualism as "badass".Any other nihilist/anti-human forms of entertainment you'd like to own up to?How about you shut the fuck up? Clearly you are clueless.
I enjoy the completely bizarre nature of the Saints Row games they always have a very quirky sense of humor.

Hell yeah man. That totally excuses running around and beating up (also killing) working class people, abusing women, and participating in gang/lumpen bourgeois activity.Perhaps you are all just fifteen years old....

[A Revolutionary Tool]

IMO Saints Row sucks. I bought SR2 a few days ago, stopped playing after a little while it got really boring.

[Commissar Rykov]

Sure, but don't act like you don't have an entire mega-industry of games to choose from.

This coming from the same guy that views a comic that glorifies the ideology of the black bourgeoisie and bourgeois individualism as "badass".Any other nihilist/anti-human forms of entertainment you'd like to own up to?How about you shut the fuck up? Clearly you are clueless.

Hell yeah man. That totally excuses running around and beating up (also killing) working class people, abusing women, and participating in gang/lumpen bourgeois activity.Perhaps you are all just fifteen years old....
Yeah Real Life totally is based on actions in video games. Get the fuck over yourself or stop posting here no one gives a shit. Nice ageism as well you piece of reactionary shit take your moralistic bullshit elsewhere.

[kurr]

Yeah Real Life totally is based on actions in video games.
What's that about the economic base and the ideological superstructure?
Get the fuck over yourself or stop posting here no one gives a shit. Nice ageism as well you piece of reactionary shit take your moralistic bullshit elsewhere.

Oh yeah. I'm totally reactionary since I just pointed out how reactionary this video game series is. Your parents gave birth to a real genius....And since you're getting all pissy... you probably really are fifteen.

[Tablo]

Kurr, revolutionary socialism isn't a lifestyle.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Oh yeah. I'm totally reactionary since I just pointed out how reactionary this video game series is. Your parents gave birth to a real genius....And since you're getting all pissy... you probably really are fifteen.

Oh, me so old and wise, I never get angry! For is that not the ultimate achievement of maturity, to sit back, laugh and accept authority and... everyone else is fifteen years old. Hurr.

I think you seem to misunderstand some things if you think everything that is offensive is reactionary, and you obviously seem to take it far more serious than it should be taken. If anything the social-commentary undertones of the previous game were soft-left-liberal to some extent, what with fighting urban luxuriation ("gentrification") and ye evil giant corporation, which is a classic liberal cliché.

[Per Levy]

i was pretty hyped about sr3 a couple of month ago, especially since i love saints row 2 so much, but well skyrim came and thats kinda more special to me, but im still looking forward to it, crazy fun and a lot of entertaiment is what im expecting from the game and it will be awsome im sure of it.


Hell yeah man. That totally excuses running around and beating up (also killing) working class people, abusing women, and participating in gang/lumpen bourgeois activity.Perhaps you are all just fifteen years old....

grow up allready, its a game.

[#FF0000]

This coming from the same guy that views a comic that glorifies the ideology of the black bourgeoisie and bourgeois individualism as "badass".

Wait what comic book is this

[∞]

We should ban all super proles who think they're too prole for video games. GTFO! Don't let they door hit ya, where the good lord split ya!

[fatpanda]

What's that about the economic base and the ideological superstructure?

Oh yeah. I'm totally reactionary since I just pointed out how reactionary this video game series is. Your parents gave birth to a real genius....And since you're getting all pissy... you probably really are fifteen.

If you think "Saints Row" Franchise is reactionary , then what will you say about COD Modern warfare,Black Ops, Battlefield or god...Tom Clancy Games ?!

[The Dark Side of the Moon]

Looks like it's for 8 year olds
Might get it

[Comrade J]

Oh yeah. I'm totally reactionary since I just pointed out how reactionary this video game series is. Your parents gave birth to a real genius....And since you're getting all pissy... you probably really are fifteen.

Whether you're reactionary or not is of no concern to me, you're just some noob with a point to prove and a chip on your shoulder. An attitude like that won't win you many friends around here. Also your irritating and improper use of elipsis (...), your retort concerning someone's possible age and the general infantile tone of your post all suggest you're in no position to use the notion of maturity in your retorts.

And of course, the reactionary view that videogames encourage real-life violence is very typical of the bourgeoise and the right-wing media, who have perpetuated this bullshit for years without any proof or even a hint of rationality. I have been playing games that contain violence since I was an adolescent (along with millions of others) such as GTA, and I've yet to actually go on a tank rampage or RPG a family of workers. Your argument is simply the parroting of right-wing rhetoric pumped out by clueless fools on television, and frankly if I was you I'd be pretty fucking embarassed.

[Charlie Watt]

I won't be buying Saints Row because I think it looks shit. I'm not a fan of the whole quirky humour thing, but if that's yer bag, wire in. The notion that the game is reactionary though, is a fucking ridiculous one. It is a work of fiction, and like books and films, to more or less of an extent, you're supposed to empathise with and engage with the character. Does empathising with any of the Corleone clan (this is not a comparison of quality,) in the Godfather book or movies make you an agent of reaction and a aspiring bourgeois prick? No, it doesn't, and as mentioned already, the idea that they encourage violence is the kind of lazy knee-jerk bullshit that is indulged by the right wing press. I certainly agree that children shouldn't be exposed to images of extreme violence, but that's down to the parents.

[fatpanda]

And of course, the reactionary view that videogames encourage real-life violence is very typical of the bourgeoise and the right-wing media, who have perpetuated this bullshit for years without any proof or even a hint of rationality. I have been playing games that contain violence since I was an adolescent (along with millions of others) such as GTA, and I've yet to actually go on a tank rampage or RPG a family of workers. Your argument is simply the parroting of right-wing rhetoric pumped out by clueless fools on television, and frankly if I was you I'd be pretty fucking embarassed.


If that is the case, then why do pretty much most of the Games out there promote Right-Wing Values ?

Im talking about Modern Warfare,Black Ops,Homefront,Uncharted,all Tom Clancy games, Soldier of Fortune, Crysis,Ace Combat and many more !

[Rafiq]

Those are the guys that made red faction guerilla

[Per Levy]

allright after i had the chance of playing saints row the third for a couple of hours, here my thoughts:

im honest i need to get used to the game quite a lot, the graphics are good but quite different then what you were used to in saints row 2, i mean in sr2 the graphics were smooth and realistic looking, in sr3 its all rather cartonish and blocky looking. it doesnt look bad and if you give it try it grows on you but its very unusual especially when you come from sr2.

also sr3 feels much messier, there is a lot of stuff going on and some activites are happening while you drive or walk down a street. you get called a lot from store owners or other people that syndicate gangers are attacking them and if you could be so nice and help out. while its not bad it can get a bit annoying because you get called to ofton imho and its just a survival mode were you have to fight yourself through various waves of enemies.

driving is also a bit different, but really nice so not much problems there even though the cars and motorbikes really have quite a drift to them.

one interesting thing is that you now can buy abilities, after you reached a certain respect level, like running longer, having more ammo for guns, dualwielding guns and small mashine guns(? i could do that in sr2 without buyin that ability) and huge bunch more.

havnt played much of the story ark but they did made it more funnier(just watch the damn intro to the game if you have it)

there is probally more to say but i forgot about it now. before any of you get any ideas, saints row the third is a fun game, i really enjoy it. its just that its a bit different then sr2 and some stuff is weird.

[Comrade J]

If that is the case, then why do pretty much most of the Games out there promote Right-Wing Values ?

Im talking about Modern Warfare,Black Ops,Homefront,Uncharted,all Tom Clancy games, Soldier of Fortune, Crysis,Ace Combat and many more !

But that's a different matter altogether, and whether or not they actively promote such values is debatable. There are plenty of films and books with dislikeable protagonists, but there is still an inherent value in such things, so why not the same for video games? In the UK there is a great columnist called Charlie Brooker, who is an avid video gamer, and I feel this article sums it up: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/13/charlie-brooker-modern-warfare-3

A curious thing happened to me the other day while I was playing Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2011/nov/08/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-3-review?intcmp=239), which, if you're not familiar with such things, is a video game in which you participate in a bloody big war. It's a very popular franchise; devoted fans camp out on pavements for a launch copy, which makes it the royal wedding of violent video games (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/games).
Anyway, I'd got about a quarter of the way into it and was "doing" a level based in Sierra Leone that required a bit of stealth and sneaking around. You spend most of the game accompanied by various computer-controlled characters, and I was walking behind one of these, a crotchety moustachioed soldier who's supposed to be my friend, when he suddenly goes "shhhh" because he's heard a guard coming.
So we both stop in our tracks, and moustache man snatches the guard, pins him against the wall, and stabs him right through the throat with a hunting knife, killing him instantly. Then the body hits the floor, moustache man says "OK, come on", and we continue sneaking into the compound. Or rather, we were supposed to. But I stopped after a few steps and walked back to where he'd killed the guard. I just stared at the blood on the wall. And I thought, "I don't want to be friends with the man who did that."
Obviously there was no means of expressing a thought like that within the game engine, so I had to keep it to myself. Moments later, moustache man orders me to climb a watchtower and dispatch a guard myself. I climb the ladder to find a man asleep in a chair. Just dozing with his back to me. And as I walk near him it says "Press X to take out the guard", so I press X, and rather than bonking him on the head, or maybe just persuading him to leave, my character also grabs the guard and stabs him right in the throat. And I thought, "I'm no better than moustache man: that was an appalling thing I just did."
Again, there was no way to explore these feelings in the game, so I forgot about it in favour of taking out mercenaries with my massive sniper rifle while moustache man and his pal shouted "slot the bastards" and similarly inelegant encouragements.
I don't particularly mind the level of violence in computer games, partly because it's absurd, and partly because I'm hopelessly desensitised. What I do object to is the dick-swinging machismo that infests games like this. If I had a penny for every time I've spent the opening moments of a game sitting in the back of a transport vehicle listening to a soldier called Vasquez repeatedly use the word "motherfucker", I'd have enough money to buy the Sesame Street game instead. And even that probably starts with Sergeant Grover warning Private Elmo that "Shit is about to get real".
Every soldier in every game I've ever played is a dick. A dick that sounds like a 14-year-old boy reading dialogue discarded from an old-school Schwarzenegger action movie for displaying too much swagger. They seem like a bunch of try-hard bell-ends, desperate to highlight their gruff masculinity. What, exactly, are they overcompensating for?
Well, for one thing, games are inherently wussy. The stereotype of the bespectacled dweeby gamer is an inaccurate cliche, but there's no denying games are far from a beefy pursuit. Which is why shooty-fighty games go out of their way to disguise that. Every pixel of Modern Warfare (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/modern-warfare) 3 oozes machismo. It's all chunky gunmetal, booming explosions and stubbly men blasting each other's legs off. Yet consider what genteel skills the game itself requires. To succeed, you need to be adept at aiming a notional cursor and timing a series of button-pushes. It's about precision and nimble fingers. Just like darning a sock in a hurry. Or creating tapestry against the clock.
In other words, Modern Warfare 3 would be nothing but a gigantic needlework simulation were it not for the storyline, which is the most homoerotic tale ever created in any medium, including Frankie Goes to Hollywood videos. Behind the military manoeuvrings, the human story revolves around people backstabbing, *****ing, making catty asides, breaking off friendships and betraying one another. Ignore the gunfire and it's like a soap opera set in a ballet school.
Many of the missions require you to adopt the guise of Yuri, an impressionable young Russian lad hanging around with a pair of impossibly butch men, one of whom, Captain Price, is the aforementioned guy with a moustache – not just any moustache, mind, but a full-blown leatherman's handlebar number. I think Captain Price's "look" was designed by Tom of Finland. Your other companion is a Scottish lad called Soap. I'm not sure why he's called Soap, although I think it's because Captain Price once picked him up in a bathhouse.
Price is definitely the "top" in the relationship, and before long both you and Soap appear to be vying for his affections. Often when you look at Price, the word "Follow" literally appears over his head – a sincere instruction presumably beamed directly from your heart – as you walk behind him, tracing his footsteps while gazing forlornly at his back like a pining lover. When Price commands you to "get down", you literally crawl behind him on your hands and knees. Sometimes you'll be crawling so close, your viewpoint goes right up between Price's legs until his crawling, pumping backside takes up the entire screen, which is precisely the sort of cinematography that failed to occur in Delta Force starring Chuck Norris.
Perhaps that's why Modern Warfare 3 will make more money than Delta Force did. Because presumably they've done market research and discovered that that's what their consumers want. I just wish they'd be honest about it and let the lead characters kiss. And press X to use tongues.

[La Comédie Noire]

Some people like to veil moral indignation in socialist rhetoric.

[Princess Luna]

My biggest problem in Saints Row 3, is the lack of unlockables. For example in SR2 if you got to level 3 in vehicle surfing you got a traffic cone hat, in SR3 you don't only get rep even for completing every level of an activity such as trafficing. Nothing feels earned, if I want 25% more sprint I just have to buy it from the upgrades screen.

[Charlie Watt]

But that's a different matter altogether, and whether or not they actively promote such values is debatable. There are plenty of films and books with dislikeable protagonists, but there is still an inherent value in such things, so why not the same for video games? In the UK there is a great columnist called Charlie Brooker, who is an avid video gamer, and I feel this article sums it up: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/13/charlie-brooker-modern-warfare-3

A curious thing happened to me the other day while I was playing Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2011/nov/08/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-3-review?intcmp=239), which, if you're not familiar with such things, is a video game in which you participate in a bloody big war. It's a very popular franchise; devoted fans camp out on pavements for a launch copy, which makes it the royal wedding of violent video games (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/games).
Anyway, I'd got about a quarter of the way into it and was "doing" a level based in Sierra Leone that required a bit of stealth and sneaking around. You spend most of the game accompanied by various computer-controlled characters, and I was walking behind one of these, a crotchety moustachioed soldier who's supposed to be my friend, when he suddenly goes "shhhh" because he's heard a guard coming.
So we both stop in our tracks, and moustache man snatches the guard, pins him against the wall, and stabs him right through the throat with a hunting knife, killing him instantly. Then the body hits the floor, moustache man says "OK, come on", and we continue sneaking into the compound. Or rather, we were supposed to. But I stopped after a few steps and walked back to where he'd killed the guard. I just stared at the blood on the wall. And I thought, "I don't want to be friends with the man who did that."
Obviously there was no means of expressing a thought like that within the game engine, so I had to keep it to myself. Moments later, moustache man orders me to climb a watchtower and dispatch a guard myself. I climb the ladder to find a man asleep in a chair. Just dozing with his back to me. And as I walk near him it says "Press X to take out the guard", so I press X, and rather than bonking him on the head, or maybe just persuading him to leave, my character also grabs the guard and stabs him right in the throat. And I thought, "I'm no better than moustache man: that was an appalling thing I just did."
Again, there was no way to explore these feelings in the game, so I forgot about it in favour of taking out mercenaries with my massive sniper rifle while moustache man and his pal shouted "slot the bastards" and similarly inelegant encouragements.
I don't particularly mind the level of violence in computer games, partly because it's absurd, and partly because I'm hopelessly desensitised. What I do object to is the dick-swinging machismo that infests games like this. If I had a penny for every time I've spent the opening moments of a game sitting in the back of a transport vehicle listening to a soldier called Vasquez repeatedly use the word "motherfucker", I'd have enough money to buy the Sesame Street game instead. And even that probably starts with Sergeant Grover warning Private Elmo that "Shit is about to get real".
Every soldier in every game I've ever played is a dick. A dick that sounds like a 14-year-old boy reading dialogue discarded from an old-school Schwarzenegger action movie for displaying too much swagger. They seem like a bunch of try-hard bell-ends, desperate to highlight their gruff masculinity. What, exactly, are they overcompensating for?
Well, for one thing, games are inherently wussy. The stereotype of the bespectacled dweeby gamer is an inaccurate cliche, but there's no denying games are far from a beefy pursuit. Which is why shooty-fighty games go out of their way to disguise that. Every pixel of Modern Warfare (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/modern-warfare) 3 oozes machismo. It's all chunky gunmetal, booming explosions and stubbly men blasting each other's legs off. Yet consider what genteel skills the game itself requires. To succeed, you need to be adept at aiming a notional cursor and timing a series of button-pushes. It's about precision and nimble fingers. Just like darning a sock in a hurry. Or creating tapestry against the clock.
In other words, Modern Warfare 3 would be nothing but a gigantic needlework simulation were it not for the storyline, which is the most homoerotic tale ever created in any medium, including Frankie Goes to Hollywood videos. Behind the military manoeuvrings, the human story revolves around people backstabbing, *****ing, making catty asides, breaking off friendships and betraying one another. Ignore the gunfire and it's like a soap opera set in a ballet school.
Many of the missions require you to adopt the guise of Yuri, an impressionable young Russian lad hanging around with a pair of impossibly butch men, one of whom, Captain Price, is the aforementioned guy with a moustache – not just any moustache, mind, but a full-blown leatherman's handlebar number. I think Captain Price's "look" was designed by Tom of Finland. Your other companion is a Scottish lad called Soap. I'm not sure why he's called Soap, although I think it's because Captain Price once picked him up in a bathhouse.
Price is definitely the "top" in the relationship, and before long both you and Soap appear to be vying for his affections. Often when you look at Price, the word "Follow" literally appears over his head – a sincere instruction presumably beamed directly from your heart – as you walk behind him, tracing his footsteps while gazing forlornly at his back like a pining lover. When Price commands you to "get down", you literally crawl behind him on your hands and knees. Sometimes you'll be crawling so close, your viewpoint goes right up between Price's legs until his crawling, pumping backside takes up the entire screen, which is precisely the sort of cinematography that failed to occur in Delta Force starring Chuck Norris.
Perhaps that's why Modern Warfare 3 will make more money than Delta Force did. Because presumably they've done market research and discovered that that's what their consumers want. I just wish they'd be honest about it and let the lead characters kiss. And press X to use tongues.

I love Charlie Brooker. Looking forward to his new drama trilogy on C4.

[OhYesIdid]

True story incoming: yesterday I went to the game store and held the thousand pesos they ask for a new game 'round these parts as I stood facing a shelf where two games stood side by side: SRT and Skyrim, only at $999. They were the last copies, btw (open world games are very popular amongst my people). I chose the good old tolkenian fantasy, and will wait until I "finish" it to get this one. Dying inside.
Either way, I re-rented Arkham City. That game rocks my cock so hard you guys.

[Comrade J]

I love Charlie Brooker. Looking forward to his new drama trilogy on C4.

Ah cool, what's that about and when is it out? I live in France atm so don't see what is coming out on English TV.

[Obs]

a whole lotta bullshit about "the black bourgeoisie"
You sound white.

Anyway, dumb motherfuckers aside, I am looking forward to this game. 420 beat mexican wrestlers to death with a comically oversized dildo erryday

[kurr]

You sound white.

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In this context, you're not American, so you wouldn't understand what a &quot;black bourgeoisie&quot; is. For the record, I'm not white. I've made this clear in a previous post. Asshole.

[kurr]

And of course, the reactionary view that videogames encourage real-life violence is very typical of the bourgeoise and the right-wing media, who have perpetuated this bullshit for years without any proof or even a hint of rationality. Once again, here we have a so-called (vulgar) &quot;Marxist&quot; who doesn't understand materialism. Fantastic.I guess video games never make people want to join the military or hate another country either. Documentaries, music, and television don't have that effect either. It's just all right-wing propaganda.
I have been playing games that contain violence since I was an adolescent (along with millions of others) such as GTA, and I've yet to actually go on a tank rampage or RPG a family of workers. See, with posts like this.. I can only assume that you are under the age of eighteen years old. Just because YOU haven't replicated an idea, an action or a thought that you've gathered from your source of &quot;entertainment&quot; doesn't mean for a second that someone else hasn't.
What I see in this thread are essentially Libertarians trying to have their cake and eat it too.This should help you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominant_ideology
Your argument is simply the parroting of right-wing rhetoric pumped out by clueless fools on television, and frankly if I was you I'd be pretty fucking embarassed.

Coming from someone who is uttely clueless of the ideology that they claim to support, I can only take your words with a mountain of salt.
Embarrassed? Not in the least. I mean, after all I'm not you.

[Charlie Watt]

Ah cool, what's that about and when is it out? I live in France atm so don't see what is coming out on English TV.

Sorry mate, missed your post, here's the details. Looks fucking great.

http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/channel-4-to-hold-black-mirror-up-to-society-with-new-comedy-drama

[Charlie Watt]

Once again, here we have a so-called (vulgar) &quot;Marxist&quot; who doesn't understand materialism. Fantastic.I guess video games never make people want to join the military or hate another country either. Documentaries, music, and television don't have that effect either. It's just all right-wing propaganda.See, with posts like this.. I can only assume that you are under the age of eighteen years old. Just because YOU haven't replicated an idea, an action or a thought that you've gathered from your source of &quot;entertainment&quot; doesn't mean for a second that someone else hasn't.
What I see in this thread are essentially Libertarians trying to have their cake and eat it too.This should help you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominant_ideology

Coming from someone who is uttely clueless of the ideology that they claim to support, I can only take your words with a mountain of salt.
Embarrassed? Not in the least. I mean, after all I'm not you.

Do stow the prolier than thou bullshit you whinging prick. If you've got evidence that video games make people go out and commit violent atrocities, please, share. If not, kindly clamp it.

[TheRed]

Maybe it's leaping a bit to get involved as the newguy here but why the hell did anyone think it a good idea to get ideology mixed into a simple discussion about entertainment? It seems that this argument defeats the purpose of haveing a recreational section on this site, if you can go so low as to insult and formulate complicated argument over such a meaningless disagreement then how do you think the whole "workers revolution" will pan out? I feel that other newcomers like myself would be drawn away by this.

[xub3rn00dlex]

And of course, the reactionary view that videogames encourage real-life violence is very typical of the bourgeoise and the right-wing media, who have perpetuated this bullshit for years without any proof or even a hint of rationality. I have been playing games that contain violence since I was an adolescent (along with millions of others) such as GTA, and I've yet to actually go on a tank rampage or RPG a family of workers. Your argument is simply the parroting of right-wing rhetoric pumped out by clueless fools on television, and frankly if I was you I'd be pretty fucking embarassed.

You mean you haven't RPG'd a family of workers?! Bro I got my tank in the driveway, come by and I'll show you how we do things around here!

@Kurr; if you don't like video games, there's a solution - don't fucking buy them. ( Or download, whatever floats your boat. ) You know I bet you millions of people played the star wars games, and something tells me nobody ran outside trying to slice people in half with lightsabers or destroy the fucking planet with their death stars. Just because we didn't replicate it doesn't mean others did, you could use that argument for pretty much anything.

If your revolution means I can't have battlefield 19, then I will not be taking part in that revolution. Enjoy it on your own.

[Commissar Rykov]

Once again, here we have a so-called (vulgar) &quot;Marxist&quot; who doesn't understand materialism. Fantastic.I guess video games never make people want to join the military or hate another country either. Documentaries, music, and television don't have that effect either. It's just all right-wing propaganda.See, with posts like this.. I can only assume that you are under the age of eighteen years old. Just because YOU haven't replicated an idea, an action or a thought that you've gathered from your source of &quot;entertainment&quot; doesn't mean for a second that someone else hasn't.
What I see in this thread are essentially Libertarians trying to have their cake and eat it too.This should help you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominant_ideology

Coming from someone who is uttely clueless of the ideology that they claim to support, I can only take your words with a mountain of salt.
Embarrassed? Not in the least. I mean, after all I'm not you.
Me so Prolie. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, assclown.

[Charlie Watt]

:lol: Ahahaha!

[Charlie Watt]

Maybe it's leaping a bit to get involved as the newguy here but why the hell did anyone think it a good idea to get ideology mixed into a simple discussion about entertainment? It seems that this argument defeats the purpose of haveing a recreational section on this site, if you can go so low as to insult and formulate complicated argument over such a meaningless disagreement then how do you think the whole "workers revolution" will pan out? I feel that other newcomers like myself would be drawn away by this.

New here too mate, and aye, it would be nice....but if someone's talking that much shite, it's a bit difficult to not get drawn in.

[kurr]

Do stow the prolier than thou bullshit you whinging prick. If you've got evidence that video games make people go out and commit violent atrocities, please, share. If not, kindly clamp it.

By your own incompetence, you still aren't able to understand my points.
Then again, I've spent enough time around punk rock drug addicts so this doesn't surprise me one bit.

[kurr]

Me so Prolie. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, assclown.

It must be challenging, having such a limited vocabulary and the common sense (or perhaps self-confidence as well) of an angsty pre-pubescent teen.
Such slander only reveals immaturity and incompetence.

[Charlie Watt]

It's either me not understanding your points, or the fact that they're completely incorrect. Gonna go out on a limb and say that it's the latter.

[Comrade J]

Maybe it's leaping a bit to get involved as the newguy here but why the hell did anyone think it a good idea to get ideology mixed into a simple discussion about entertainment?

Welcome to Revleft. :rolleyes:

It's rather typical on here for a topic to be denounced as in some way 'non-leftist', because sadly there are still plenty of people who think Marxism and Anarchism are a lifestyles, rather than economical perspectives.

With no disrespect to you cause you recently joined, I have to say it seems to me to be mostly fairly newish members who make such ridiculous assertions, as they probably feel they need to cement their image as a 'true' leftist in pretty much every thread. Whereas for those of us who have been here a while, simply still posting shows you're still with the programme, seeing as you've endured years of this sort of shit. So well done for not being a dick, hope you stick around.

[Per Levy]

Fantastic.I guess video games never make people want to join the military or hate another country either.

not really, the only thing i dont like because of video games are wood elfes/bosmer or something like that. damn you blood bowl wood elves.


Documentaries, music, and television don't have that effect either.

also not really, i mean i listen to black metal, death metal viking metal and what not wich in of itself isnt really revolutionary now is it? so do i want to go out butcher people or burn churches or raid citys with me viking breathen? no i dont. and the problem is this, there is no evidence that movies and/or videogames make you more violent or anything like that.

now what is saints row the third? its entertaiment, its that simple. its an over the top action game, designed to release some stress and have fun(and of course to make money).

[Per Levy]

allright final thoughts on saints row the third(will contain spoilers):

i cant feel like being a bit ripped of, first of all eveb though the developers promised much more customization there is actually less customization then in sr2 its nice to upgrade your weapons but lets just talk about the clothes, you have much les options there while i spend hours in sr2 getting new outfits together i didnt even spend an hour in sr3 because its hardly worth it. you cant put on signs on your clothes like in sr2, you cant change anything except colour and sometimes not even that. so yeah thats a let down.

the humor, while sr3 is a funny game, the humor feels often enough forced, like lame sex jokes, potty humor and what not. while the stuff that is really funny is way to rare(text based game^^, driving around with a freaking tiger that hurts you when it feels like it) and can wear off pretty fast.

the people of steelport have much less character and come in much less variation then sr2(not to mention that they look much worse then the main character). while i had fun interacting with the people of stillwater, i really dont care much for the people of steelport.

now a big spoiler and big fu, they killed of the most badass character in all of the saints row franchise off screen in the first minutes of the game. fuck you, how dare you treating a character like johnny gat like this and then killing him of off screen, why? one of the most memorable and strongest parts of the sr2 story was when johnnys girlfriend, aisha, sacrificed herself to save johnny and the saints leader, it was very strong and make you bond with gat even more. and now he is just getting killed of in a super unrememberable way.

overall feeling: saints row the third has a lot of nice additions that i really like and its a fun game overall and it will entertain you, just it doesnt beat sr2 at all. while i wasted over 100 hour on just one character in sr2 i dont see myself even playing through sr3 a second time. wich is kinda sad, but hey saints row 4 will come, so lets hope that this will be the best part of the series.

[Ravachol]

Drug-fuelled lumpen violence is the motor of history, it's the highest expression of the dialectical antagonism between labour and capital!

[Leonid Brozhnev]

SR3 is far too short and content lacking compared to SR2. I can't even remember how long I played SR2 for and never even completed the damn thing. SR3 I'm currently in my 18th hour (over a few days) and I'm at 98% complete... 40% of that was collecting the pointless trinkets they've added to pad the game out. Feel sorry for those who bought it...

[Per Levy]

Feel sorry for those who bought it...

i didnt buy it and i still feel ripped of, its shame really. i mean saints row 2 was so strong and saints row 3, while a fun little game, is just no saints row 2. hopefully the 4th in the series will be better.

[Rusty Shackleford]

too cartoonish for me.


ill pass without even trying it. i think i played saints row 1 once and found it to be kind of boring.

[Commissar Rykov]

too cartoonish for me.


ill pass without even trying it. i think i played saints row 1 once and found it to be kind of boring.
Saints Row 1 was ok not bad but not amazing but Saints Row 2 that was fucking awesome.:tt1: