You Might be Ron Paul Supporter if...

[Ocean Seal]

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/14/u-might-be-a-ron-paul-supporter-if/

This is what freedom looks like.

[Hivemind]

Maximum win, thanks for sharing. I'm going to pass this on to people I know :lol:

[MattShizzle]

I still see some idiots supporting him. Yeah, he wants to get out of Afghanistan and Iraq, but he wants to do a lot more bad shit. He'd be a disaster for anyone in the US who isn't rich. One of the worst possible candidates.

[Tablo]

Vote Ron Paul! Minimum wage is cutting into my factory's profits!
Vote Ron Paul! I don't want my kids in school with the colored folks!

[MattShizzle]

Didn't he say "I'm not a racist, but people who own businesses who are should be allowed to run it however they want."

Reactionary to English translation:

"I'm not a racist, but..." = "I'm a racist butt, and."

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Good talking points, thanks. A few weeks ago at my local Occupy I had a run in w/some Ron Paulites.I was holding my sign "Put The Banks Under Public Ownership" and "Wall Street Has 2 Parties, We Need one Too". There were 20 Paulists a half a block away. One of them came right up next to me w/his "Ron Paul Revolution"sign to give the impression I was part of his group. I was kinda pissed at this. He tried to "engage" me. I mentioned the Youtube video in which Paul slams the Occupy movement. The guy didn't believe me. I called Ron Paul a right wing libertarian. To my surprise the guy eagerly agreed w/me. This got me even more pissed off. I mentioned that libertarian capitalism is a myth, its never been possible.I recommend he read EP Thompson, Eric Hobsbawm or any history of the Industrial Revolution from any perspective whatsoever.

I wasn't as up on my game as I should have been. Things got heated and we started yelling at each other. I left after a half hour.

Okay, not high on important Occupy events but I'm in a small city right now. The Ron Paul movement seems eerily cult like, similar to the LaRouchites. It is possible to talk w/RP sympathizers, people who looking for an explanation but hardcore members of his org are cultists.

[Ocean Seal]

Good talking points, thanks. A few weeks ago at my local Occupy I had a run in w/some Ron Paulites.I was holding my sign "Put The Banks Under Public Ownership" and "Wall Street Has 2 Parties, We Need one Too". There were 20 Paulists a half a block away. One of them came right up next to me w/his "Ron Paul Revolution"sign to give the impression I was part of his group. I was kinda pissed at this. He tried to "engage" me. I mentioned the Youtube video in which Paul slams the Occupy movement. The guy didn't believe me. I called Ron Paul a right wing libertarian. To my surprise the guy eagerly agreed w/me. This got me even more pissed off. I mentioned that libertarian capitalism is a myth, its never been possible.I recommend he read EP Thompson, Eric Hobsbawm or any history of the Industrial Revolution from any perspective whatsoever.

I wasn't as up on my game as I should have been. Things got heated and we started yelling at each other. I left after a half hour.

Okay, not high on important Occupy events but I'm in a small city right now. The Ron Paul movement seems eerily cult like, similar to the LaRouchites. It is possible to talk w/RP sympathizers, people who looking for an explanation but hardcore members of his org are cultists.
These are all good points. Not all Paulistas are Paul-bots. Some of them might respond well to logic but they don't have the facts in front of them.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

You might be a liberal if you think your Obama apologetics make you morally superior to Ron Paul supporters.

[Ocean Seal]

You might be a liberal if you think your Obama apologetics make you morally superior to Ron Paul supporters.
I don't support Obama, but the list is fairly good at describing the ugly parts of Paul's positions. Its just an article, and the author is obviously liberal. That doesn't mean that we can't employ their rhetoric or that we don't have anything to learn from them. We need to be prepared to combat all wings of capital, even those who try to worm their way out of an argument ie:lolbertarians.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

In this case, "combating" means contrasting Ron Paul with the supposedly "moderate" or "mainstream" positions of Obama, who the last point defends.

I think our position needs to be opposition to all wings of capital. It's too easily to fall into the trap of lesser evilism and end up giving backhanded support to a capitalist party like the "sane" Democrats when dealing with "insane" rightists.

[Ocean Seal]

In this case, "combating" means contrasting Ron Paul with the supposedly "moderate" or "mainstream" positions of Obama, who the last point defends.

I think our position needs to be opposition to all wings of capital. It's too easily to fall into the trap of lesser evilism and end up giving backhanded support to a capitalist party like the "sane" Democrats when dealing with "insane" rightists.
Yes, I agree with this. I don't think that Paul should be contrasted with the Democrats seeing as they serve the same masters. What should be known to everyone are Paul's platforms and what they entail so that they don't see Paul as the messiah of change. This is quite a large problem being that there are so many who tout the Ron Paul revolution as a way to fix the problems here. Which is why I reiterate, we need to combat all wings of capital and smash the opportunists who promise a way out and instead offer the same shit.

[thefinalmarch]

Ron Paul 2012

[eyeheartlenin]

In this case, "combating" means contrasting Ron Paul with the supposedly "moderate" or "mainstream" positions of Obama, who the last point defends.

I think our position needs to be opposition to all wings of capital. It's too easily to fall into the trap of lesser evilism and end up giving backhanded support to a capitalist party like the "sane" Democrats when dealing with "insane" rightists.

I want to second NHIA's point, about falling "into the trap of lesser evilism." In my experience, "lesser evilism," i.e., going soft on the pro-war Democrats, is the default position of much of the US left, and it was particularly in evidence in the 2008 presidential campaign, when some far left groups endorsed Obama's candidacy or his election victory (and I am not using "far left" as a pejorative; my views are "far left," too).

Given the record percentage (15.1%, the highest rate since 1993) of those living in poverty, after nearly 3 years of Obama in power, as well as the official unemployment rate (which fails to count all of the unemployed and any of the under-employed) that has oscillated between 9% and 10% under this administration, I am left wondering what issues Obama will run on, since these are such catastrophic years for working people. I think the worst thing the US left could do, would be to act as shills for Obama, and I hope that some far left group will be able to nominate a leftist candidate to oppose the incumbent.

[NewLeft]

Ru Paul is the only hope we have for a socialist America. He's committed to the libertarian tradition.

http://www.thedailyfetch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/rupaul.jpg

[Agathor]

Let's not give the man any undue attention. Don't let his cult fool you into believing that he is a credible candidate. He's still on the fringes, polling in single digits. We should give him as much attention as we give to John Huntsman.

[Revolution starts with U]

The "10 Reasons not to vote for Paul" article was better.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I still see some idiots supporting him. Yeah, he wants to get out of Afghanistan and Iraq, but he wants to do a lot more bad shit. He'd be a disaster for anyone in the US who isn't rich. One of the worst possible candidates.

Everyone wants out of the wars at this point.I mean hell,didn't even the Nazi party (or one of the Third Position parties) advocate leaving? You know the wars are unpopular when even the fascist start booing.

[Hivemind]

I'll shorten that article down to one point (from 21):

You might be a Ron Paul supporter if you're an idiot.

[Os Cangaceiros]

The Stormfront dig is kind of sloppy. David Duke came out and endorsed OWS.

[Veovis]

Ron Paul: Not a racist, but #1 among racists!

[R_P_A_S]

man.. I loved the idea.. but it's more for comedy. It has a lot of holes.. I like to present the Paul people some hard core evidence.. This page has some.. but some of the points it makes are to vague and can be refuted with some simple fact checking and make it seem less harsh

[khlib]

"You don’t like having a good relationship with other countries around the world, since Ron Paul wants the United States to pull out of the United Nations." ehhh...

I like the idea of the article, but it's not well executed. Revleft should write our own.

[Iron Felix]

Why do you oppose him? If he is elected, living conditions for practically everyone in America will drastically deteriorate, the economy will collapse....a perfect situation to wake up the working class.

[RED DAVE]

Why do you oppose him? If he is elected, living conditions for practically everyone in America will drastically deteriorate, the economy will collapse....a perfect situation to wake up the working class.Then why didn't that happen in the early 1980s? This is vulgar Marxism.

RED DAVE

[Lenina Rosenweg]

The main reason Ron Paul should be opposed, that is his ideas energetically refuted by a left, not a liberal critique, is that they are confusing to the working class. He purportedly provides an "alternative" at a time when alternative explanations are shut out of the corporate media. The Ron Paul campaign serves to spread his version of Randism and retards class consciousness.That's why the fact that everything about Ron Paul's "ideas" serve to reinforce corporate power should be ruthlessly exposed and ridiculed.

The fact that Ron Paul is an alternative to the more obviously deranged Koch Brothers puppets in the Republican Party makes him far more dangerous.

[thriller]

Most people I've met that support Ron Paul are people who dislike the other candidates of the GOP because they are too religious, and they are angry at Obama for unfulfilled promises. I'm usually able to have a good debate with them. But then some Paulbot comes along and just shouts the loudest.

[ZeroNowhere]

Why do you oppose him? If he is elected, living conditions for practically everyone in America will drastically deteriorate, the economy will collapse....
So nothing will change, basically.