Lies Concerning the History of the Soviet Union

[tir1944]

Lies Concerning the History of the Soviet Union

By Mario Sousa


http://anonym.to/?http://www.northstarcompass.org/nsc9912/lies.htm




What are your opinions of this article and the theses' it puts forth?

All comments are welcome...

[Искра]

I opened article, but then I saw:


By Mario Sousa
Member of the
Communist Party Marxist-Leninist Revolutionaries
Sweden
KPML(r)and

the history of the millions of people who were allegedly incarcerated and died in the labour camps of the Soviet Union and as a result of starvation during Stalin's time.


The following article shows us where these stories of millions of deaths through hunger and in labour camps in Stalin's Soviet Union originated and who is behind them.

There is a direct historical link running from: Hitler to Hearst, to Conquest, to Solzhenitsyn.
and then


The myth concerning the famine in the Ukraine

My reaction: :) --> :rolleyes: --> :bored:

This is bunch of bullshit Stalinist propaganda where they are trying to justify every Stalin action and to that they create conspiracy theories. And sources... Jesus, Pravda and Stalins diary are probably the only documentation this idiot read. Shit, I can sit down and write even more idiotic artilcle.

[RED DAVE]

Just a snip from the OP:


The conclusion we can draw from this is that the number of those condemned to death in 1937-38 was close to 100,000, and not several million as has been claimed by Western propaganda.We've seen this figure before. It seems very low to me based on the anecdotal work of people like Victor Serge. However, taking it at face value, it means that the society that Stalin claimed had already pass from socialism to the higher stage of communist was killing about 137 people per day for two years!

Now, if a capitalist country like the US did something like that, we would understand that this is areflection of the barbarity of which capitalism is capable. But there are some shits around here who think that, somehow, someway, somewhere, this was justifiable. And the author of the OP link feeds their fantasies.

RED DAVE

[Art Vandelay]

Imagine that tir posts another bullshit article without commenting just to "see what people think or if they have new evidence." My opinion is that your a troll.

[tir1944]

Chill out.What's better:to avoid commenting when you have nothing useful to say besides linking to an interesting article or posting bullshit spam-comments everywhere,which is what you're doing?
If this topic doesn't interest you,you can freely move on without writing anything.
Thank you.



However, taking it at face value, it means that the society that Stalin claimed had already pass from socialism to the higher stage of communist
Source?

[khad]

I seriously need to reconsider my practice of invitations when the invited don't do jack shit but indulge in this self-flagellating nonsense on this site.

To both sides: whatever, bro.

[S.Artesian]

Imagine that tir posts another bullshit article without commenting just to "see what people think or if they have new evidence." My opinion is that your a troll.


Yeah but he's not a troll, no way. If you don't believe me just ask Ismail, who's not a troll either, rather he's a troll-moderator.

[Rooster]

Source?

You think that the USSR was socialist, don't you? So when do you think that happened?

[socialistjustin]

More excuses and bullshit. There's really nothing new to see here. There's no excuse for the crimes that were committed under Stalin. None. Even if those numbers are accurate, it's still shocking.

[Art Vandelay]

Chill out.What's better:to avoid commenting when you have nothing useful to say besides linking to an interesting article or posting bullshit spam-comments everywhere,which is what you're doing?
If this topic doesn't interest you,you can freely move on without writing anything.
Thank you.

The only person spamming here is you. Have there been lies propagated about the USSR of course, I would imagine you would not find a person here who says otherwise. I would say that among socialists it is accepted that the numbers on both ends of the spectrum are off, stalinists underplay them and anti-communists inflate them. Truth is no one will ever know the exact amount, but probability would state that the numbers are most likely somewhere in the middle. This article is nothing short of justifying mass murder and attempting to whitewash history. Not to mention that this topic has been discussed so so so many times on this board.

Why I call you a troll is because you offer nothing to any conversation. You post pointless one liners or threads where you link, without comment, to refuted articles, and then sit back and watch the fireworks as tendencies wars ensue. My guess is that your politics are not remotely left wing and you simply have no life and find some weird fun in trolling commies.

[Franz Fanonipants]

boring self-flagellation on the part of various tendencies is not history.

[tir1944]

Why I call you a troll is because you offer nothing to any conversation. You post pointless one liners or threads where you link, without comment, to refuted articles, and then sit back and watch the fireworks as tendencies wars ensue. My guess is that your politics are not remotely left wing and you simply have no life and find some weird fun in trolling commies.
Eh that's false.
Proof:my posts,1000+ of them.

[Franz Fanonipants]

Eh that's false.
Proof:my posts,1000+ of them.

comrade shut up and stop engaging with these hysterics.

[mrmikhail]

Mario Sousa is nothing but the Swedish version of Grover Furr, he creates all the evidence to his ideals himself, that is he provides a loaded argument. And he is also most known for Holodomor denial. As in no famine ever happened and despite the true evidence being that the red army was used to close the borders of the Ukraine preventing any escape/aid from getting in, I gotta say he is to put it bluntly, full of shit.

[Art Vandelay]

Eh that's false.
Proof:my posts,1000+ of them.

Cool story bro:cool: Your post count means nothing.

[Franz Fanonipants]

thanks for the thanks comrade but all your trot breastbeating over shit that happened so long ago that no one alive had any control over are the hysterics i was referencing.

jesus fucking christ you guys are terrible.

[mrmikhail]

thanks for the thanks comrade but all your trot breastbeating over shit that happened so long ago that no one alive had any control over are the hysterics i was referencing.

jesus fucking christ you guys are terrible.

yeah :rolleyes:

[Franz Fanonipants]

yeah :rolleyes:

nothing you guys are doing here is history. rather it's tendency promotion. shut the fuck up about it.

S. Artesian and etc. are basically a group of like 40+ year old men yelling at teenagers about shit that happened before either of them were born. Its fucking stupid.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Eh that's false.
Proof:my posts,1000+ of them.

wow, I never noticed before, but you really do have 1,000+ posts. And you only joined two months ago!

wow!

[mrmikhail]

nothing you guys are doing here is history. rather it's tendency promotion. shut the fuck up about it.

S. Artesian and etc. are basically a group of like 40+ year old men yelling at teenagers about shit that happened before either of them were born. Its fucking stupid.

I don't believe I posted anything at all, aside from one post discrediting Sousa as the Swedish Grover Furr, perhaps you should check the thread and the names associated, comrade.

[RED DAVE]

However, taking it at face value, it means that the society that Stalin claimed had already pass from socialism to the higher stage of communist
Source?My bad. He only claimed to have achieved socialism.


ARTICLE 1. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is a socialist state of workers and peasants.http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/russian/const/36cons01.html

RED DAVE

[Искра]

I also think that Dunayevskaya quote Stalin saying that USSR reached communism. I was trying to find that quote but I couldn't....

[thefinalmarch]

Eh that's false.
Proof:my posts,1000+ of them.
Turn off your computer, go outside, and get some fresh air.

[socialistjustin]

"Stalin, without batting an eyelash, answered affirmatively the question put to him by Alexander Werth of The Sunday Times of London: “Is ‘Communism in one country’ possible?” This makes sense only if, instead of considering communism a classless, stateless, free society, you consider, as does Stalin, that “socialist emulation is the communist method of the construction of socialism on the basis of the maximum activity of millions of masses.”



http://www.marxists.org/archive/dunayevskaya/works/1946/10/new-developments-russia.htm

http://www.marxists.org/archive/malenkov/1949/12/21.htm

The full quote is down in the middle. I can't believe this guy is even liked. How can anybody think communism is possible in one country? As Raya says, it doesn't even make sense.

[kurr]

How can anybody think communism is possible in one country? As Raya says, it doesn't even make sense.If you actually understand the quote you posted, it does make sense. Seeing how Stalin (like all Leninists) see Socialism as a transition phase in which the masses are participating in. If you want a stateless society without transition, well....

[Art Vandelay]

If you actually understand the quote you posted, it does make sense. Seeing how Stalin (like all Leninists) see Socialism as a transition phase in which the masses are participating in. If you want a stateless society without transition, well....

You would be an anarchist?

[Crux]

Lies Concerning the History of the Soviet Union

By Mario Sousa


http://anonym.to/?http://www.northstarcompass.org/nsc9912/lies.htm




What are your opinions of this article and the theses' it puts forth?

All comments are welcome...
I'd be suprised if Mario Sousa is being taken seriously even by most members of his own party, that is the Communist Party, formerly Communist Party Marxist-Leninist (Revolutionaries). We wrote a lenghty response to this one back when it was published, unfortunately I think it is only avaialble in swedish, as far as I know.

[kashkin]

Mario presents no evidence, just assumptions and statements. Also, Joseph Davies' account has been challenged by multiple people (fascists, the whole lot of them I'm sure).

[Iron Felix]

Official Soiet sources actually state the highly underestimated figure of 600,000 executions alone during the Great Purges.