Threatening statements made to those who question the status quo

[RedZero]

I'm not sure if this was the best place to start this thread, so, if it should go elsewhere...please move it.

Anyway: with the Occupy Wall Street protests happening at cities nation-wide, and realizing that there are people who vehemently disagree with the protesters, does this kind of thinking scare/worry anyone else? --> http://oi39.tinypic.com/24gpttj.jpg

Do these people not realize that they're being screwed over too? Do these people not realize that there are others who are attempting to fight for a better future for humanity as a whole? I don't know. That kind of post just..it makes me feel very strange. As if people would start a civil war before they would change the status quo. Then again, I guess that should be expected with an all-out, genuine revolution.

Share your thoughts! My post is centered around that one person's post, but maybe it can start a wider discussion.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

I'm not sure if this was the best place to start this thread, so, if it should go elsewhere...please move it.

Anyway: with the Occupy Wall Street protests happening at cities nation-wide, and realizing that there are people who vehemently disagree with the protesters, does this kind of thinking scare/worry anyone else? --> http://oi39.tinypic.com/24gpttj.jpgWow ... what a jackass. I'm actually not surprised to see this king of reaction from right-wingers, though. I hear it a lot here in the south ... conservatives calling for the murder of leftists. 'Freedom-hating socialists'


Do these people not realize that they're being screwed over too? Do these people not realize that there are others who are attempting to fight for a better future for humanity as a whole?No and no. Or they're among the bourgeoisie and specifically want to maintain their status of power and influence.


I don't know. That kind of post just..it makes me feel very strange. As if people would start a civil war before they would change the status quo. Then again, I guess that should be expected with an all-out, genuine revolution.

Share your thoughts! My post is centered around that one person's post, but maybe it can start a wider discussion.Yes, revolution will be violent and will be resisted by some groups who wish to maintain the status quo.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I wouldn't worry too much about a 14-year old douchebag like that, it is expected; maybe that person has some rich parents or something or otherwise feels threatened, maybe his dream is to become a merchant banker. Or he's just a politically illiterate bastard. I laughed at "school of objectivist thought". :laugh:

from his fakebuk:


About AlaricHey, My name is Alaric and I am a Objectivist. That means I believe in freedom and true liberty not the Liberty of conservatives or Leftist. I believe that Man is a noble being capable of great thinks as we have seen in the great works of man such as New York City and the Hoover Dam. I Believe in God and Jesus but were I differ from the collective is that I believe he and I have a relationship that only he and I can be in and I am not bound to wound myself for my fellow man. I hate Leftism, tribalism, narcissism, environmentalism, and nihilism. I Believe in the Individual

[Le Socialiste]

The revolutionary left has historically been the object of ridicule and intimidation for much of its global existence. It should be unsurprising, then, to have Americans (themselves subjected to intense anti-leftist literature and propaganda) oppose what they see as a tyrannical, ideological force. The irony of the situation notwithstanding, the majority of Americans have come to identify radical and revolutionary leftism as being synonymous with oppression and dictatorship. One of the classic arguments has been the "loss of individuality and property; complete and total subjugation to the whims and dictates of an all-encompassing state." While this perception is slowly fading, many still cling to the idea that capitalism embodies all that is dear to liberty, democracy, and freedom. When one comes to identify the status quo as embodying these ideals, they will fight tooth and nail to preserve it.

Is the poster American? If so, he/she has been brought up in what is to be considered the epicenter of global capitalism, militarism, and repression. The society he/she was/is raised in reflects these qualities to lesser or greater degrees. Take into consideration America's history in relation to its class struggle(s), and it isn't all too surprising to hear or read what the person you showed us said/wrote. At the same time, our country's understanding of the political spectrum is terribly narrow in both scope and depth. If you were to ask your average American, chances are there are plenty who would mistake the "progressive liberalism" of the Democrats for genuine leftism, thus blurring the lines between what constitutes actual leftist ideology and practice and what people perceive it to be. When viewed in this light, it isn't all that surprising when people mistake the policies of Democratic "liberalism" for carrying communistic/socialistic tendencies.

Consider this, though: the past three-four years have seen a remarkable shift in the public's consciousness. The economic and financial crisis of '08 has exposed the policies of parties and governments worldwide, causing many to undergo a change in their political outlooks. In this year alone America has witnessed the faintest of stirrings in a reawakened working-class, one that is slowly coming to understand and embrace the necessity of class action and unity. From Wisconsin to OWS, the workers are gradually coming into their own, along with the realization that in order to combat the attacks of the so-called "1%" one must look to the class struggle. We've seen a willingness to engage in strike actions (such as the general strike in Oakland and the upcoming one in Dallas) that were, until recently, discouraged and/or frowned upon as being too "class warfare-ish." The deepening of the financial crisis as it continues to pervade every aspect of people's lives will spur many to question the status quo, with varying results and conclusions. The important thing, however, is that they're finally questioning it. That's why I feel people like the one you linked us to are slowly becoming the minority.

People aren't going to suddenly arrive at revolutionary leftism; in fact, many still hold a great distrust towards it. It would be foolish to expect them to. That's where we come in. Our role, as revolutionary leftists, isn't to step in and proclaim our answer to the crisis as a way of declaring our leadership over the situation. Such actions only serve to divide and alienate, and only cements the common misperception that paints all leftists as divisive and authoritarian. Our role in any given movement must be to try and point out that an alternative to violence and repression is possible, and it takes the fundamentals of the class struggle to make it. We then take up our place alongside the people, not as their leaders but as fellow workers joined in solidarity.

[Lanky Wanker]

1. Look at his profile picture - very intimidating.
2. People who kill others for their political views don't sit on Facebook talking about it.
3. LOL

If you're gonna worry about anyone, worry about the Neo-Nazi gangs learning mixed martial arts to kick your teeth in when they see you waving the red flag. But, don't fear - this is where the red skins come in! :hammersickle:

[RedZero]

I wouldn't worry too much about a 14-year old douchebag like that, it is expected; maybe that person has some rich parents or something or otherwise feels threatened, maybe his dream is to become a merchant banker. Or he's just a politically illiterate bastard. I laughed at "school of objectivist thought". :laugh:

from his fakebuk:

Yeah, I was going to say: he seems to be infatuated with Ayn Rand.

[Welshy]

I guess the new capital of the People’s Republic of America is in Oakland, California. Once they establish their own separate capital and government then they are an enemy state and the U.S. military should prosecute them as such.

Damn it he is on to us! Protect our Dear Leader! Long live the PRA!!!

:laugh:

[RedZero]

Great post, Le Socialiste! Very eloquent and nicely put. People with this kind of thinking do seem to be the minority, but I suppose they just yell...very loudly...as to make one think that there are more of them. :lol:
(http://www.revleft.com/vb/member.php?u=34965)

[RedZero]

1. Look at his profile picture - very intimidating.
2. People who kill others for their political views don't sit on Facebook talking about it.
3. LOL

If you're gonna worry about anyone, worry about the Neo-Nazi gangs learning mixed martial arts to kick your teeth in when they see you waving the red flag. But, don't fear - this is where the red skins come in! :hammersickle:

:laugh:

[Ocean Seal]

I'm not sure if this was the best place to start this thread, so, if it should go elsewhere...please move it.

Anyway: with the Occupy Wall Street protests happening at cities nation-wide, and realizing that there are people who vehemently disagree with the protesters, does this kind of thinking scare/worry anyone else? --> http://oi39.tinypic.com/24gpttj.jpg

The picture is no longer there.



Do these people not realize that they're being screwed over too?

No either they don't or they believe that someone else is screwing them over (immirgants, jews).


Do these people not realize that there are others who are attempting to fight for a better future for humanity as a whole?

They most certainly do not.


I don't know. That kind of post just..it makes me feel very strange. As if people would start a civil war before they would change the status quo.

They aren't ready to change it. The proper material conditions have to be in action.


Then again, I guess that should be expected with an all-out, genuine revolution.

Quite possibly

[RedZero]

The picture is no longer there.

Thanks for the reply. and the picture was someone who had posted on Facebook that he was (paraphrasing) "ready to kill any crazy leftists if this country went into a bloody revolt"

[Islamic Socialist]

I don't see the threatening part of it. It simply shows the greater divide between those who can envision the revolution and the abolishing of the conditions of capitalist society and other conditions related to this and the reactionaries who oppose socialism and the empowerment of the working class. The more these divides are shown and the more reactions like this occur the more our visible differences between the reactionaries and the revolutionaries are shown.