u.s.a. rule

[Guest]

all u.s.a. should win this fucking war so all you afganistans can suck my mother fucking dick if you dont like my shit you bich ass mother fuckers bin laden give your self up or i'll com and kill you myself you little bich

[RedCeltic]

Quite an articulate thought there friend. Thank you for your input… Your truly a deep thinker, Thought provoking stuff

:-p…. pahhh what an ass.




(Edited by RedCeltic at 10:19 am on Nov. 2, 2001)

[Chief Rebel Angel]

lol i actually hoped we'd all ignore this jackass...

[RedCeltic]

Yea... probobly should have ignored it... sometimes people are so ignorant it's just halarious... I didn't take it seriously at all...

(Edited by RedCeltic at 10:22 am on Nov. 2, 2001)

[El Commandante]

What a constructive form of debate! It must have taken ages for you to write it because you must have had to wait in a long queue for the town's brain cell.

[RedCeltic]

Quote: from El Commandante on 10:39 am on Nov. 2, 2001
What a constructive form of debate! It must have taken ages for you to write it because you must have had to wait in a long queue for the town's brain cell.


The town brain cell...lol...I like that one...ha ha...I'll have to rember that

[Anonymous]

"all you afganistans"

you need help, the one only high school can give you ;)

[Moskitto]

I've never actually met an Afghanistani on the net. Maybe because the internet is illegal in Afghanistan.

[CommieBastard]

A village somewhere is missing it's idiot...

[Derar]

U.S.A = Unlimited Supply of Assholes

[Kez]

Quote: from Derar on 11:09 am on Nov. 3, 2001
U.S.A = Unlimited Supply of Assholes

ROFL
although having said that i have many friends and relatives in USA so.....
Ah fuck it
DOWN WITH USA DOWN WITH USA
hehe

[El Commandante]

Quote: from Derar on 11:09 am on Nov. 3, 2001
U.S.A = Unlimited Supply of Assholes


That's brilliant, have to use that one some time.

[sabre]

i think someone forgot to take his ritalin or something.

What a close-minded jackass

[Anonymous]

Quote: from Derar on 11:09 am on Nov. 3, 2001
U.S.A = Unlimited Supply of Assholes


Muuhaha thats brilliant old chap!

[CheGuevara]

I like the USA acronym and Commie Bastard's comment about some village missing its idiot.

[SellasieI]

hahaha, that was a good one.

Just wondering . . . where does everyone around here live?? Because i myself live in the land of a unlimited supply of assholes.

[Jurhael]

So do I. In Florida.

[spookyac130]

People, America is not the "unlimited supply of assholes" that one member so eloquently posted. America is the greatest, most benevolent country on earth. We have given money, resources and our own lives to help the countries of the middle east, asia, and americas. I see that a lot of posts are made by communists, or at least people who have some sort of reverence for the soviet flag. These are the same people who are trashing america. Come on, Russia has seen some of the greatest tyrants of our time. Stalin killed well over 20 million of his own country men. Communism inspired the vietnam conflict, by trying to take over what is not thiers. What did the VC do to the south Vietnamese when america left, they fucking slaughtered them. Maybe if one of your nations would have helped america, this would not have happened (like you arent all in America right now, or at least in a country that is propped up by america). This entire forum is probably hosted in America and most of your computers are even made by American countries. America supplies you with the tools with which to attack it, because it believes in your right to think and express your opinion as americans do. Maybe we americans have been too nice to the rest of the world. Maybe the billions of dollars we give to your fucking sorry ass loser countries....or the protection we supply you with, saving your filthy fucking lives from enslavement by the Saddam Husseins and Milosevic's of the world has been taken for granted. Maybe it is time America says "fuck you" and let you wallow in your filth. Maybe we should let your economies and infrastructures fall. Maybe we should laugh as your pathetic existances cease. To the commie and socialist fuckers who have trashed America....think about this. You are much more American than you ever were commie. Your mear ability to voice your opinon freely is an American ideal....do you think you would have this in a truly communist country, like the former USSR. Do you think that the taliban tolerates freedom of speech....no. Do you think russians are happy? Do you think that Cubans are happy? hmmm...maybe the number of Cuban expatriates here in America answers that question. As far as the fool who claims we have killed millions in south America as well as the carribean....you people are far better at killing each other than we will ever be. Start flinging shit when you can get a leader without his nose in the cocaine trade. We have done everything to help the people of the America's and have kicked your asses when you have gotten out of line (only to rebuild your countries afterwards). I seriously get tired of these pieces of shit from loser countries trashing the states. The USA is the greatest country on earth. And chances are, if you arent living under some oppressive totalitarian government and enjoy the fruits of freedom....you have the USA to thank.

[Jurhael]

A friend of mine, who is also American, said the following things about the good ol US of A:

"We supply money to terrorist groups who do things we want them to do.
We supply money to terrorist groups who are fighting against governments we don't approve of.
We police the world as though we own it.
We push "our way" onto other nations. God help them if they try to resist.
We are an arrogant nation.
We brashly display our military prowess.
We brag about our defense system.
We saunter all over the world flexing military muscle; whether it's wanted/needed or not.
We routinely ignore concerns brought up by other nations.
We routinely ignore concerns brought up by our own citizens.
We have acted as though we are infallible. We are not.

The way we've treated other nations, especially smaller nations, has spawned a HUGE hatred of us throughout various parts of the world."

I'd also like to add that the US has also backed up/supported god awful dictatorships when a government, especially leftist ones proved to be too much of a "threat" to US interests.

Sure, the US has done good things, but it's also done some really shitty things to other countries. I daresay that the US has more harm than good. Then we wonder why people in other countries are a tad critical of US forgein policy.






(Edited by Jurhael at 7:53 am on Nov. 4, 2001)


(Edited by Jurhael at 7:54 am on Nov. 4, 2001)

[spookyac130]

Oh, I almost forgot. Although his wording may have been a bit coarse, the sentiment bears repeating.


all u.s.a. should win this fucking war so all you afganistans can suck my mother fucking dick if you dont like my shit you bich ass mother fuckers bin laden give your self up or i'll com and kill you myself you little bich.

Yes, you may laugh at this now....but while you are eating your rat later on, think about how someone of obviously limited intellect can own a computer and have access to the internet and probably earn a multiple of the average third world salaries.

[spookyac130]

So where are you from?


A friend of mine, who is also American, said the following things about the good ol US of A:

"We supply money to terrorist groups who do things we want them to do.
//yes, we even supplied bin laden and the like with arms and training. It was not the strength of Allah which pushed the Russians out of Afghanistan. No, it was Stinger missiles

We supply money to terrorist groups who are fighting against governments we don't approve of.
//yes, and most of the time those governments are oppressive and treat thier people like animals (I know that women are really happy in Afghanistan)

We police the world as though we own it.

//If we didnt, who would keep you people from
destroying each other, at least with the states around, you live long enough to find reasons to hate each other and us. But once again, that is your human right. Do you let your childeren do as they please?

We push "our way" onto other nations. God help them if they try to resist?
//most of the time "our way" is eating and drinking and living and freedom.......I guess most peasants or afghanis would rather starve the "afghan way" and true, god help them if the dont, for they would probably die

We are an arrogant nation.
//completely founded in being the nations remaining superpower with a standard of living above everyone else's. You assail America, doesnt that make you arrogant as well? Well, actually probably delusional.

We brashly display our military prowess.
//better to display than to use........has anyone heard of deterence?

We brag about our defense system.
//it is pretty damn good, a couple of cowards got through and attacked the pentagon and wtc, but not one nation on the face of the earth would launch a full assault on us.....

We saunter all over the world flexing military muscle; whether it's wanted/needed or not.
//no we do not invade countries without justification....if you think differently, tell me when..where?

We routinely ignore concerns brought up by other nations.
//as they do us....we pay for 1/4 of the UN bill and are treated like shit.

We routinely ignore concerns brought up by our own citizens.
//abviously not every single person cannot be heard...but at least the chance of being heard in America exists

We have acted as though we are infallible. We are not.
//absolutely not, "we" includes me as an American and I have never thought I nor the USA, nor the rest of the world is infallible

The way we've treated other nations, especially smaller nations, has spawned a HUGE hatred of us throughout various parts of the world."
//what nations? Iraq? Iran? sure we fucked 'em up good..hate it if you want....no apologies.


I'd also like to add that the US has also backed up/supported god awful dictatorships when a government, especially leftist ones proved to be too much of a "threat" to US interests.

//when? where? We may back governments that may appear god aweful to the opposition...isnt it all relative? You lose....you hate us, then you are just a sore loser. Nothing is more bitter than a dictator out of work


Sure, the US has done good things, but it's also done some really shitty things to other countries. I daresay that the US has more harm than good. Then we wonder why people in other countries are a tad critical of US forgein policy

//I dare say you judge the US on a perfect scale....as does the rest of the world. Foreign policy isn't meant to please everyone.....like I said, there is nothing more bitter than an out-of-work dictator. How in the fuck did they get the number of Iraqi's we have killed? I know the number of Iraqi civilians the USA has killed is much less than that Saddam has killed with gas. America has done some real shitty things to some fucking horrible people...no apologies for that. But it appears that some people in other countries cannot smell thier own shit on thier knees...probably because they are still on thier knees...while you are down there, SUCK MY DICK!

[pce]

i don't know what's more dangerous, an idiot with and education or one without.

[pce]

actually i didn't see page 3. sorry. i take it back. nether one has an education.

i like how the only examples this person can give are the spoonfed crap we've recently been hearing over and over and over and over and over on the media - about the taliban and/or the middle east. try reading a book buddy.

[spookyac130]

Well, I would say a blind fool is most dangerous of all

[pce]

aaaaaaaand....that's you

[spookyac130]

ah, so a book would enlighten me? Look fucko, what the fuck do you know about the taliban, live there do you? I guess you know what is the truth and what is false

[spookyac130]

Actually, I would be the educated idiot you spoke of...that is a complement coming from a blind fool

[spookyac130]

what book would you recommend? DOS KAPITAL?

[pce]

actually, to be perfectly honest, i didn't mean read a book about the taliban, my stupid stupid friend. i ment read a book about other things the u.s. has done.

if you're too lazy, try reading some of the posts on this bb........"fucko"

[spookyac130]

Or perhaps you could just suck me?

[pce]

actually its "das."

"dos" means "two" in spanish;)

[spookyac130]

ah, you call me stupid....that is truly ironic you shitfuck, tell me, where are you from? I have read several books about what the US has done. Have you? My commie buddy?

[spookyac130]

but I really wouldnt know that.....das, dos, what is the fucking diffence. I dont waste any more time on spanish than I do on communism

[pce]

yes, i am in the process of reading more.

"Or perhaps you could just suck me? "

that's kind of hard to do over the internet...

how old are you, 6? it sounds like you just learned the word "fuck." i bet you're proud.

now if you'll pardon me, i'm not going to waste anymore time or bb space on you.

peace

[spookyac130]

I understand that you would have a serious aversion to the truth, and thus your hostile stance towards me. To tell you the truth, I am actually quite intellegent and do not attack unless provoked

[spookyac130]

read up my hostile friend....the truth shall set you free. I hope you can handle it when it hits you. Do you live in the states?

[spookyac130]

You left without really saying anything except to insult me. I am sure that you will be back when you are sure I am gone. Yes, I just learned the use of the word "fuck" by reading your eloquent postings on this site.

[pce]

i'm sorry, i'm sorry...i just have to say this before i leave for tonight...

"I am actually quite intellegent "

oh, you are? okay...i'm terribly sorry. i couldn't tell. thanks for clearing that up.

[spookyac130]

Of course you couldnt, given your limitations....strong comeback though.

[spookyac130]

you arent sorry, just sad.

[spookyac130]

pce, cant we all just get along? Who the hell is this Che fucker anywayz. I really dont know, I didnt go to some god awful liberal arts school.

[Derar]

THEN WHY THE HELL ARE U IN HERE ??



p.s : Do all Americans need to go to a historical or liberal school to know who is CHE ?!

[El Commandante]

Spooky, "I am actually quite intellegent "

If you're so intellIgent why don't you spell it correctly you fool! If you're not going to say anything constructive then piss off.

[RedCeltic]

Do we really have to go through all this again? Spooky or whatever you call yourself... we have already had our fair share of morons. Your just yet one more we have to deal with.

[RedCeltic]

Quote: from Derar on 5:30 am on Nov. 4, 2001
THEN WHY THE HELL ARE U IN HERE ??



p.s : Do all Americans need to go to a historical or liberal school to know who is CHE ?!


And... yes the high schools here in the US are very poor If they actualy teached American History we wouldn't have so many who are quick to wave the flag about. The fact is that most americans don't know much about the history of their own countey nor why most of the world hate us. Hell... most Americans think we even won the war of 1812!

[Guest]

Did we lol? I didnt know that, oh well. I guess the Brainwashing Academy of the New World Order (american schools) isnt all that great :D
And oh yeah,spooky, get a clue really. We dont need any more New World Order drones in here.

[RedCeltic]

Quote: from Guest on 9:01 am on Nov. 4, 2001
Did we lol? I didnt know that, oh well. I guess the Brainwashing Academy of the New World Order (american schools) isnt all that great :D
And oh yeah,spooky, get a clue really. We dont need any more New World Order drones in here.

Yes we lost that war... We lost every engagement... had the white house burned, and lost land to Canada in the treaty that was signed before the only battle we won. (The Battle of New Orleans)

[Moskitto]

I'd also like to add that the US has also backed up/supported god awful dictatorships when a government, especially leftist ones proved to be too much of a "threat" to US interests.

//when? where? We may back governments that may appear god aweful to the opposition...isnt it all relative? You lose....you hate us, then you are just a sore loser. Nothing is more bitter than a dictator out of work

Er yes you have

Dictatorships aided by the USA.

Chile 1973
Haiti 1987
Zaire 1960
Cambodia 1975
Uganda 1971
Cuba 1952
Iraq 1979

[spookyac130]

hehehe....I have found a new home! I love the hostility you people have towards any opinions which may be different than yours.

[spookyac130]

Now who is brainwashed? really? It seems that all of you have been "hardwired" with this commie garbage.

[Anonymous]

dont you have somthing better to do asshole

[spookyac130]

"WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND THEY ARE OURS. " Where is this famous quote from celtic? September 10, 1813 Perry defeated the British fleet at the battle of Lake Erie. The lake became American property as a result. No battles won? This is just one of many Red.

[spookyac130]

Yes, and I am doing it while I am writing this, football! Dont you have anything better? Please, lets try and stay away from the petty name-calling.

[Anonymous]

your a shiat ****

[spookyac130]

hahaha, you make me laugh......you really do.

[Moskitto]

Spookey please explain why

A military dictatorship was better than a democratically elected government in Chile in 1973?

A mass murdering butcher worse than Hitler was better than a democratically elected government in Cambodia in 1975?

A military dictatorship was better than allowing free elections in the newly independant state of Zaire in 1960?

A military dictatorship was better than a democratically elected government in Cuba in 1952

A military dictatorship was better than a democratically elected government in Haiti in 1987

A military dictatorship was better than a democratically elected government in Iraq in 1979

A military dictatorship was better than a democratically elected government in Uganda in 1971

and don't use crap like it's relative because it's only bad for the opposition communists. Because only 1 of the governments replaced was communist.

[spookyac130]

cant say they were....but then I cant say that America was responsible for all of this either. True America isnt a saint, but what country has done more than America for the world. And actually, everything is relative.

[Moskitto]

Quote: from spookyac130 on 7:54 pm on Nov. 4, 2001
cant say they were....but then I cant say that America was responsible for all of this either. True America isnt a saint, but what country has done more than America for the world. And actually, everything is relative.

Please read some books about Chile under Allende, Kissingers involvement in Cambodia, Cuba under Batista, Idi Amin, The Iran-Iraq war, The independance struggle of Zaire.

Oh I forgot, who's bad is relative. For the opposition in those countries (95% of the population) the regime installed by your government would be bad, right.

And I thought majority rule was a concept you treasured.

[spookyac130]

First of all, dont align me with everything that capitalism or even democracy stands for. Rule by one or a few is never preferable to rule by the majority. Yes, everything is relative and there are no absolutes. Like I said before, I do not believe in or support everything that America has done. I do not think we should have even went to Vietnam, but we did, to try and stop Russia's advance. I dont think we should have been in Somalia or Haiti, I do not think we should aid Isreal or be involved in the middle east. True, America has done many things wrong, but no other country has aided so many countries which could not defend themselves. Of course we have a hatred towards us. We have foiled the plans of some of the most horrible monsters on the face of the planet. Everything is relative, what we see as right the ousted will see as wrong.

[spookyac130]

Posting an independent opinion under the Soviet flag is downright silly. It is an oxymoron.

[Moskitto]

If the only thing you can criticise is an avatar get the hell out of this forum because you are not here for any reasoned debate.

firstly that is not a soviet flag that is a communist flag, I do not support the soviets despite what your media tells you. I am a Council Communist not a Stalinist or Maoist

secondly you haven't explained what was wrong with those democratically elected governments which meant you had to replace them, so i'll help you.

Chile 1973 - A Democratic Marxist has come to power, you cannot let it be shown that it isn't an oxymoron. = coup

Haiti 1987 - Your puppet ragime lost power, you need to gain it back = coup.

Zaire 1960 - Stalinism is spreading into Africa, all those independant states are needed to supply the west with raw materials. They cannot become Stalinist. = coup


Cambodia 1975 - The government supports Hanoi, It isn't going to help you very much so we'll replace it with his main rival, Pol Pot who's pro Saigon. = coup

Uganda 1971 - Your allies need help against the Arabs, you can help by putting someone incharge of Uganda so they can attack Sudan. = coup

Cuba 1952 - Cuba=Rich Americans playground, need someone who'll look after your interests. = coup

Iraq 1979 - Iran doesn't like you very much, so you give someone called "Saddam Hussein" Chemical Weapons. = coup

[spookyac130]

First of all I am not just criticizing your avatar, but more so that for which it stands. Communism. Please, when I think of commies I think of the ussr, the great soviet experiment. Second, there you go again, aligning me with everything that is American or capitalist or both. do you see everything from this overly simplified point of view. I cant say there is anything wrong with a democratically elected government, but that will never exist in a socialist or communist society. This is what is wrong with it. They were socialist, communist, or some other bastardization of tyranny. Of course we defend the Americas against this type of filth. Yes, someone exercising their right to free speech underneath a commie flag or "avatar" is truly ironic.

[spookyac130]

hey, why dont you go to a country where there is a communist or socialist experiment going on. Then write us, tell us how well it works. Tell us how great the system is. We will probably have to wait a while, I am sure the line for a computer is quite long. But I am sure the line for cheese is even longer. I think you live in a capitalist country and enjoy all of the freedoms that Americans do, including your right to criticize it. I seriously get tired of all of these people, living in non communist, non socialist countries testifying to the greatness of communism/socialism. I think you are just trying to be different. I think you cannot fit in and are trying to find an excuse for your rejection by your peers.

[kingbee]

us is probably worse than the ussr. ussr is portrayed as worse as that the writers ar biased, not liberal. the ussr didnt have free speech, one thing im opposed to. but the us has funded miltary goverments themselves, in the same way that the ussr contorlled east europe. the east european govermants on the other hand , didnt torture or kill like the us backed regimes did. the cia are the same as the kgb, not better- they do americas dirty work. america dont own up for what they do- pretend not to have supported the bay of pigs faile dinvasion- they ony admitted when the cubans decided to keep those involved. the us have secret pshycological bases. someone was on the radio (5 live for those who live in uk), and mentioned about one of these bases, and was immediatly cut off by the presenter. the us wired up a cat to try to tap into conversations in the ussr- it failed, but imagine the response that the ussr wouldve got if they revelead that the ussr and not the us did that. the response would be "filthy soviets", while most people probably wont care as the us did it , not the ussr.
cuban missile " crisis". the ussr put nuclear warheads on cuba, 90 miles away. us threaten to start ww3 if they dont remove, in case they fire one. the us had missiles in turkey, less than 90 miles away from the us. people describe the "soviet war machine" the west out numbered greatly the amount of nuclear arms compared to the ussr.
i dont support the ussr , and everything they did, but it was, in my opinion, made out to be worse

if you have read all of this- well done and thank u 4 listnening to my rambles...

[Derar]

by the way spookyass or whatever , when r u gonna turn 13 ?!

becoz underage ppl arent allowed here !

[Anonymous]

a reconmendation if you will comrades, dont waste your time, because its so precious!

[spookyac130]

comrades?! christ you people are fucking silly.

[El Commandante]

And you're a fucking pain in the arse. How do you want us to address each other, we're all on an equal footing and I personally think it is a very good way of addressing people.

Think about it, or do you think that we should be ordered about and act as lackies to oppression?

[RedCeltic]

I agree with El Che Comrades...

And... yes.... we use that term for we are all comrades of equil worth.

(Edited by RedCeltic at 4:18 pm on Nov. 4, 2001)

[Jurhael]

Yea, but people like Spooky can be VERY amusing. Especially when he dismissess all the torture, death and misery brought about by US backed juntas, death squads and torturous governments as "just sore losers" and "everything is relative".

I wish he can tell that to those who lived on the shit end of one of those "freedom fighting" rulers that they're just "bitter because they lost".

Who here has said that the USSR was innocent? *crickets chirping* Who said that China and North Korea were innocent? *more crickets chriping*

Now, note the double standard. When there's a left winged dictatorship, these are used as examples of just how "awful" anything mentioning socialist is. They just HAVE to be crushed. They just HAVE to be eliminated. Hell, not even some right-wingers are immune to that once they stop serving US interests.

But if there's a government that the US supports(the vast majority being right-winged of course), ANY hint of reporting human rights violations, ANY hint of asking to try to get rid of the government is met with "but there's nothing we can do. " or "It's better than communism" Bla bla bla

Best example is Papadopalous of Greece. He was US supported too.

Read all about how wonderful Papadopalous was here:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/Greece_KH.html

Yea, yea. I've posted the link before, but you get to see it again. What makes this so awful is the fact that Greece was just a drop in a bucket compared to say...Uraguay.

"Andreas Papandreou had been arrested at the time of the coup and held in prison for eight months. Shortly after his release, he and his wife Margaret visited the American ambassador, Phillips Talbot, in Athens. Papandreou related the following:



"I asked Talbot whether America could have intervened the night of the coup, to prevent the death of democracy in Greece. He denied that they could have done anything about lt. Then Margaret asked a critical question What if the coup had been a Communist or a Leftist coup? Talbot answered without hesitation. Then, of course, they would have intervened, and they would have crushed the coup."

Course I'm probably wasting my time. Ah well, i have plenty of it. :)


And I didn't know the US lost the War of 1812. Jesus...

[Moskitto]

Can you believe that, He actually supported the overthrowing of Salvador Allende because even though he won the election, was supported by the people, Because he was a communist he was therefore a tyrant.


hey, why dont you go to a country where there is a communist or socialist experiment going on. Then write us, tell us how well it works. Tell us how great the system is. We will probably have to wait a while, I am sure the line for a computer is quite long.

I could, but there aren't any (No Cuba isn't communist because Fidel owns everything, not the people.) I could have gone to Chile but you decided to destroy that and give it Pinochet and the Era of the "Dissapeared."

Oh and before you complain about me saying you support all the US military interventions. Stop being a hipocrit and saying that I support the USSR, Stalin, Mao Zedung, Communist China or any of those Hoax communist states when I am a council communist which believes in free speach.

And stop saying Communism stands for such and such and yack yack yack without using any evidence to back up your claims eg. quotes.

Rosa Luxembourg - "Freedom is always and exclusively freedom for the one who thinks differently."

Now you see here Roas Luxemburg believes in Freedom, Not dictatorship.

Now you find a quote by a council communist that says the opposite.

[Jurhael]

Gods...that "move to Cuba" one has to be one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen.

Well, there's always Sweden, but that one of more of a mixed economy type place. Heh


Here's a nice statement in response to Spooky's:

"That's pretty stupid. I guess they haven't heard about how revolutionary Nicaragua dramatically reduced the incidences of common diseases, vastly increased literacy, redistributed land to the poorest, built health clinics and schools, and maintained a standard of civil liberties and democracy much higher than the preceding dictatorship despite being under constant military attack by insurgents funded and armed by a neighbouring rightwing superpower."

[AgustoSandino]

Ah moskitto, you know what I've tried to refrain from insulting you for your repeated lack of insight regarding cambodia and I will hold myself back again, but as I've asked in other threads show me any sort of proof. Even skilled revisionist like Blum can't find anyway to 'pin' cambodia on the US, wanna know why, because we didn't install pol pot, he was the outcome of a communist/socialist insurgency.
Cambodia went down like this. Until the early 70's cambodia was run by a monarchy, the king of cambodia refused to join SEATO, when he was on an international tour he was King Sihanouk was overthrown by one of his ministers, Lon Nol. Lon Nol established a dictatorship that was on amicable terms with the US and began to establish relations with SEATO. Then in 1975, Pol Pot overthrew Lon Nol. Why would the US depose a government that was supporting its policies in Vietnam? Why would they depose such a government and install a Communist regime? You know these are trick questions, the answer is the US didn't. On the other hand they allowed a communist coup to occur and then the world witness the horrific results.
The second contention that I have is with a statement that implied that the communist would have been better than Papadopalous in Greece. I suppose this statement holds water if your idea of good is based on the standard of Eastern European Communist states. No Papadopalous was not a nice guy, but then again would you prefer a Stalinist regime, maybe a guy like Ceausescu of Romania.
Now lets go down your list huh Moskitto:
Chile 1970's Allende wins the election with a plurality, only 36.5 percent of the vote, clearly not a majority. Then he succeeds in marginalizing one of the largest middle classes in Latin America by Nationalizing industries and therfore making hundreds unemployed. Following the Pinochet coup the soviets were active in training guerillas to fight the new government, and it was these military actions by soviet backed guerillas that prompted Pinochet to take a hard stance against the Communists.

http://www.fiu.edu/~yaf/pinochetsenemies.html

Cambodia: I think I've replied to your bogus assertions.

Zaire, well obviously you seem to vindicate Stalinism
"Zaire 1960 - Stalinism is spreading into Africa, all those independant states are needed to supply the west with raw materials. They cannot become Stalinist. = coup"-Moskitto

So much for you being a council-communist. Believe it or not, Stalinism is bad, hey have you read about Che's travels in Africa, his Congo Campaign. Do you know who he fought with, Laurent Kabila, the same guy who was in power last year, his son is in power now. And he didn't have very nice things to say about Mr. Kabila either, because Che asserts, according to Jorge Casteneda, the African communist were corrupt. Were they better than Mobotu, I can't say, all I know is that Mobuto was better than Stalinism, and if Ethiopia is any indication of African communism than he was better than Ethiopia.

Haiti, I suppose you were too young to remember but it was the US that restored democracy to Haiti in the 90's, actually committing US forces to this endevour.

Uganda, what?!? Are you getting your information from comic books.

Cuba, hey 20-20 hindsight, looking at things now it seems that Castro has managed to turn what was once the wealthiest nation in Latin America into the poorest, and did it witht he usual communist flare, executions, arrests, and all sorts of persecution.

Iraq, hey I don't know if you know this but Saddam Husseins Baath party took power in a socialist coup against the King of Iraq, we didn't support him, or try to support a puppet king. Yes we did arm saddam hussein, perhaps because the Iranians had declared a de facto state of war on the US. Believe it or not, Iran was not under any pressure towards moderation back then. The original ayatollah was in power, and he didn't like america. Moreover he didn't like Iraq and Saddam didn't like him back, they went to war, and we picked the best horse. Believe it or not, an Iranian controlled middle east suits no one who loves freedom.

So anyway moskitto, now that we've dispeled your fanciful notions, explain this council communist thing to me, because you do seem to have a lot of sympathy even for stalinist, as you show in your previous posts.

[spookyac130]

jurhael, who ever said to move to Cuba? You people take one sentence I say and then twist it into something it absolutely is not. The hostility level here is amazing. You people are already trying to "dictate" what I can and cannot say.....amazing. I am probably the most fun a lot of you have had in a long while.....Comrades. What do you do on this bb when you are not reciting obscure passages from one of the books you have read? Or when you are not attacking someone who has an opinion which is different than yours. Most of you behave like a flock of malevolent sheep.

[SellasieI]

trying to live a life that benefits EVERYBODY

[Jurhael]

Or least as many people as possible.

The welfare of a society is more important than a few people getting rich.

[Moskitto]

Haiti, I suppose you were too young to remember but it was the US that restored democracy to Haiti in the 90's, actually committing US forces to this endevour.

Actually I do remember that, That was one of the better uses of US foreign policy


So much for you being a council-communist. Believe it or not, Stalinism is bad, hey have you read about Che's travels in Africa, his Congo Campaign.

Where did I mention Stalinism being good? Council Communism isn't Stalinism

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Stalinism is completely the opposite of Council Communism

Council Communism believes in locally organized democratic councils controlling the means of production. Stalinism believes in the absolute power of a Tyrant.

Council Communism believes in total freedom of speach for everyone as we believe freedom is only freedom if it is not freedom unless it's for everyone. Stalinism believes in freedom for no one.

Next time you try and label us all as Stalinists please study different ideologies of communism beforehand then you won't make yourselves look like fools.

And I refered to Stalinism in Zaire because I like many other communists do not consider Stalinism a form of Communism. And as the main struggle was against Stalinism (called communism by the media) I used the appropriate term.

[AgustoSandino]

"Zaire 1960 - Stalinism is spreading into Africa, all those independant states are needed to supply the west with raw materials. They cannot become Stalinist. = coup "
-Moskitto

The statement is heavy with connotative dissaproval of US actions, and therefore you must feel that African states should've become Stalinist.

[sabre]

Spooky-


Or when you are not attacking someone who has an opinion which is different than yours.

Look who's talking! You're the one htat came in here and started attacking us in the first place! Terrible hypocrisy.

you also said "The hostility level here is amazing."

Who initiated the hostility? You.

Why don't you spend your time doing something more productive than attacking our opinions

(Edited by sabre at 9:07 pm on Nov. 5, 2001)


(Edited by sabre at 9:10 pm on Nov. 5, 2001)

[Moskitto]

"Zaire 1960 - Stalinism is spreading into Africa, all those independant states are needed to supply the west with raw materials. They cannot become Stalinist. = coup "
-Moskitto

The statement is heavy with connotative dissaproval of US actions, and therefore you must feel that African states should've become Stalinist.

yes I disaproved with the US actions, did I say that Stalinism was good? Disaproving of one doesn't mean you support the other. Maybe there's a third way such as Elections.

[Jurhael]

The US restored democracy in Haiti? Suuuure they did, UNLESS it was Aristide.

http://www.radio4all.org/anarchy/forget.html

[Guest]

Obviously ppl hear need to sit down and think for a minute I mean hello American Afganistans didn't promote this they were crying right along beside us what right do we have to punish them for hurting as well. Frankly there is only one group we can blame for this incident; the Taliban, and not a country, Afganistan.

[Red Star]

Jurhael earlier you talked about American death squads. I've never heard about this please elaborate.