Matrix Revolutions

[(*]

I wouldn't call it a good movie, but interesting nevertheless.

The scene when trinity and neo flew the ship and saw the sun and blue sky was a nice touch.
The battle scene, holding the dock, was brilliant.


I still have sooo many questions. This can't be the end of the franchise.

The girl at the end, what was that about? Could she be the next "one"?


P.S. I couldn't find another thread for this. If there is one, just move this post to it, then delete this thread.

[bush youth]

I didn't like that movie.. I fell asleep through (presumably important) bits and pieces of it, so i didn't really understand it much.
I do remember hearing "The war is over! We defeated the machines!" at the end.. everyone very happy...

machines = rich fascists in suits
we = good guys with their well-worn sweaters and proletariat look?

I couldn't help but make this a comparison to class war... made the movie a bit more interesting...

(sorry I spoiled the ending, but surely you didn't think the good guys would lose?)

[truthaddict11]

i didnt even know the movie was released yet, i wasnt going to see it anyways give all the spoliers you want only winter movies i am planning to see are LOTR and Kill Bill Vol 2

[Saint-Just]

I though this film was excellent and that it completed the Matrix trilogy very well. The first was most striking for its originality, the second for its action and the third for its dialogue.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

I saw the film, and I was fairly disappointed with it.

The third film did not have a particularly unified plot. The scenes were not all tied together. The little girl introduced does not make a lot of sense, and I do not see why the filmmakers bothered to introduce such a seemingly unimportant character. I doubt that she will be the next "One", because she is not human. She is a program.

The film seemed badly rushed, and had little dialogue worth recollecting. Many disliked the second film, but that was a much better production than the third. I found the giant face Neo talked with to be a silly character that detracted from the seriousness of the film.

It seems like an unrealistically happy ending for Neo and the Matrix to work together to rid themselves of Smith. It makes no sense for the machines to not destroy Zion, or for Zion and the Matrix to coexist peacefully.

I would not be opposed to a fourth Matrix movie, though the creators were pretty certain it would only be a trilogy. It just seems to me that there are still some loose ends.

[Indysocialist]

Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 9 2003, 11:08 PM
I though this film was excellent and that it completed the Matrix trilogy very well. The first was most striking for its originality, the second for its action and the third for its dialogue.
Dead on.

[EneME]

I actually really liked it...made me cry LOL I'm a sap...anyway, I thought it was much better than the second. I really really disliked the second one for the bad animation, really long and confusing dialogues, and it just seemed to confuse me more than stimulate me for the next one like LOTR the two towers did. I felt the third one finally tied together the loose ends, it had very good special effects, and the ending was actually better than I thought.....

Yeah, who the hell was the little girl? She was extremely cute....but they focused alot on her and I doubt she's the "one" cuz she is a program.

The scene when trinity and neo flew the ship and saw the sun and blue sky was a nice touch.
The battle scene, holding the dock, was brilliant.
Completely agree....even i saw myself reacting to the beautiful sky and the battle scene was perfect. Not too gory, too fake, too exaggerated, it was just as I imagined it...

[suffianr]

I thought it was great! Movies like the Matrix should be shrouded in ambiguity, shouldn't make too much sense when it comes to rationalizing the plot or trying to make sense of every single event that takes place leading up to the climatic battle between Smith and Neo...Like the "Trainman", what the fuck was that all about? It was detracting, but inevitably, a forever incoherent addition to the plot.

But watching Animatrix helps, I think...I wasn't prepared for that "sky" shot either, but I expected or rather understood the relevance of it, having watched Animatrix...


It seems like an unrealistically happy ending for Neo and the Matrix to work together to rid themselves of Smith. It makes no sense for the machines to not destroy Zion, or for Zion and the Matrix to coexist peacefully.

Neo was apparently the only person capable of defeating Smith, even the Machines weren't up to the job.

[Sabocat]

I liked it, but it seems as though there was some chopped up editing in a few scenes. When they go to the Hell Club to talk to the Merovingian about getting Neo back, that scene seemed to just jump from the club to the trainstation. Why was only Trinity getting off the train? Where the hell did Morpheus and the Seraph go? I thought that the Merovingian and Persephone were more important to the story after the second Matrix, and in the last, they never really answer any questions about them and their role other than being gateway controllers between programs.

My thought about the little girl was to show you that nothing really ended. She was obviously a superfluous program that the Oracle takes in from exile and obviously created the sunset/sunrise at the end, proving that Neo accomplished nothing other than taking the control of the Matrix from the Architect and give it to the Oracle for a "kinder, friendlier" Matrix.

My thinking was that near the end Neo knew he couldn't liberate man from the Matrix, and that's why when asked by the "face" what he wanted, he said peace and not freedom from the Matrix for mankind.

[(*]

The architect said something like "they will be freed", in reference to people in the matrix.

Could anyone explain that.


Did the people of Zion want to free the people of the matrix, or did they only comb the matrix to find "the one" and use him to destroy the machines?

Yeah, the girl is a program. But wasn't she like half a program, and the other half something else?

Smith was created out of necessity because the matrix was trying to balance itself out. If he is gone, and neo is still around. The equation is not balance anymore. Is neo still alive? I remember in reloaded, the architect told neo that there were others. Is the present neo going to be reincarnated into a future neo?

[Saint-Just]

The Wachowski Brothers need to sort this stuff out. Still, I think this is an amazing set of films, together they are one of the best film creations ever and we are lucky to be around at their conception. Star Wars is often said to be the best film(s) ever, I think The Matrix trilogy is far better though.

[che's long lost daughter]

Originally posted by bush [email protected] 9 2003, 10:29 PM
I didn't like that movie.. I fell asleep through (presumably important) bits and pieces of it, so i didn't really understand it much.
I do remember hearing "The war is over! We defeated the machines!" at the end.. everyone very happy...

machines = rich fascists in suits
we = good guys with their well-worn sweaters and proletariat look?

I couldn't help but make this a comparison to class war... made the movie a bit more interesting...

(sorry I spoiled the ending, but surely you didn't think the good guys would lose?)
I did not also like the movie...yep, the effects were wonderful but movie reveled too much in it and lost the essence of the story. The only thing I liked about the movie is the dialogue between Neo and that indian guy in the beginning while they were waiting for the train man to arrive...

The fight scene between Neo and Smith (to the nth power) was really stupid...it looked like a scene in Dragon Ball-Z-- Neo is Gokou and Smith is well, any villain in the cartoon


=D

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Originally posted by (*@Nov 10 2003, 10:56 AM
The architect said something like "they will be freed", in reference to people in the matrix.

Could anyone explain that.
The architect promises that anyone who wants to be freed from the Matrix will be. It will not happen to everyone.

[suffianr]

The fight scene between Neo and Smith (to the nth power) was really stupid...it looked like a scene in Dragon Ball-Z-- Neo is Gokou and Smith is well, any villain in the cartoon

That's because the storyboarding/scripting is based on Anime. The entire movie reeks of Anime, from the drawn-out conversations to the intense build-ups to the fight scenes. Audiences not used to Anime don't ususally notice these things. The scenes don't suck; it's all about perspective. :)

[canikickit]

What if, from one's perspective, that style of direction is defined as shite?

Hey didn't you guys hear? The Matrix is nothing more than a badly acted action movie trying to sound intelligent.

[Rastafari]

Hey didn't you guys hear? The Matrix is nothing more than a badly acted action movie trying to sound intelligent.
god bless. the first one was interesting, though.

[suffianr]

What if, from one's perspective, that style of direction is defined as shite?

Well, that's your perspective, chum.

[canikickit]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 11:48 PM
god bless. the first one was interesting, though.
Oh dear! The first one?


Well, I haven't seen the third one, and I haven't watched all the first one, but it's just pure shite. Keanu Reeves is such a terrible actor, he automatically ruins any film he's in, for starters. But all this crap...Morpheus giving his stupid little speeches, all dramatic and wrap-around shades-like....man, those Walowskipolski brothers are depressing bastards.

ah, but I've seen all of the second one. That was insulting...that guy at the end, with the bead, in the white room - talking utter nonsense. All he's doing is using long words to try to sound intelligent, he's not saying anything particularily deep.

There are sme good actions sequences (even though that's not what floats my boat), such as the bit on the motorbike (!), that bit was great, but the plot is pretentious nonsense.

[truthaddict11]

i have to agree with Cani, there was a time when i liked the matrix but now as i look harder it was crap

[marxstudent]

I thought everyone was being too dramatic during a lot of scenes and that kind of made the movie less enjoyable for me.

Overall, I thought it was way better than what I expected it to be. Everyone was telling me it was the shittiest movie ever. Wasn't the best but wasn't pure crap.

[praxis1966]

Thanx a bunch... I didn't know it was out either. I liked the first two and had planned on seeing the third when it came out.

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 10:56 PM
What if, from one's perspective, that style of direction is defined as shite?

Hey didn't you guys hear? The Matrix is nothing more than a badly acted action movie trying to sound intelligent.
I was heavily intoxicated when I watched each one at the cinema. But still, I think the dialogue is good and the story is more intelligent than the average blockbuster. The action and the entire concept are also undeniably good. I have always thought Lost Highway is one of the best films there is, what do you think of David Lynch, surely you would not begin to castigate his films.

[Alejandro C]

i've not seen the third... but i did just see all the animatrix... there are some damn fine animation. 3 of those stories i thought were unbelievable and the rest i didn't like. i haven't been that impressed with animation since The Wall.
for those of you who saw animatrixm, what was with all the judaism refrences. the 2nd renaisance very clearly sets a parallel between the machines and the jews... "man creates machines in his own image and for a time it was good" (god creates man in the exact same way/told the same way in the jewish text) then when they are bulldozing the machines into the trenches was clearly a refrence to the holocaust, then the machines establish their own seperate state in the 'cradle of civilization' called zero one (zion, israel created after the holocaust)

what i hated about the matrix was its ambiguity, they make you think it represents all these things-modern societies suicide, dangers of tech, some strong ties to cuban revolution or rev. in general, judaism, vampires. but they try to represent this stuff in stupid ways that dont make any sense and wern't designed to. i think they used all those allusions without even realizing what they mean. especially the jewish ones, unless they are rabid anti-semites.
i don't think i'll see the 3rd, just seems silly to me now.

[kylie]

Maybe i missed something, but was there meant to be things left unanswered? Because it never was explained why Neo could disable the Sentinels at the end of the second movie, or why he had certain powers outside of the Matrix in the third.
I thought maybe he was meant to be some kind of Jesus character? There was a lot of religious references to him, in particular at the end where he sacrificed himself to defeat Agent Smith, with a cross appearing in the light that came from him.

[RedAnarchist]

The Matrix tries too hard to look intelligent and futuristic. And it needs a new actor, in place of Reeves, who is as wooden as a forest.

[Danton]

A sprawling convaluted mish mash of average martial arts, comic book references, fetish wear, and cereal box cod philosophy glossed over by tricksy camera work.

The first film is a modern classic, 2 & 3 went completley sideways. Still it's evident that the Wachowski's made the sequels for the true fans not a mass audience which gives it at least some dignity.. I thought the Animatrix was the pinnacle of the whole project...

[canikickit]

A sprawling convaluted mish mash of average martial arts, comic book references, fetish wear, and cereal box cod philosophy glossed over by tricksy camera work.

Danton, I don't know how you can call the first one a modern classic when this discription suits it perfectly.
I took it that you were referring to all three with this discription, it was only when I read on that I realised you must be insane.

At least the second one had the bit on the motorbike - the first is rubbish! Rubbish!

[Danton]

Nonsense man, your playing devils advocate! You creamed over some of those kung fu and helicopter bullet time latex breakbeat set pieces like every other mother... Only now fashionable opinion of the whole paella is negative.

My admitted insanity is neither here nor indeed there, I noticed your comment on KILL BILL also reflected your dislike of all things stylistic.

Sci fi fantasies are'nt really my bag either but the original is a cult film regardless of Keanu's woeful acting - it's not an actors film, it's not humanistic it's pure techno porn.... Ok maybe "classic" is the wrong term.. "cult"..

[suffianr]

I thought the Animatrix was the pinnacle of the whole project...

My sentiments, exactly. I think a lot of people can't accept the fact that the Matrix isn't just about the movies, but also about the content in other media i.e. the animation + video games.

[Danton]

Yes, the whole paella must be considered though I would'nt mention the game - it was wank..

[truthaddict11]

for those who liked the movie the DVD is planned to be released probally for Xmas this year either that or early January 2004, reason being is that the film is doing poorly and if it fails against Master and Commander this weekend it will probally definitly be released by Xmas, you may wonder how it can be released so fast but these days most dvds for movies are just about in the can by the release of the movie. thats why DVDs come out about 6 months after the film is released.

[Danton]

But I've already got it on dvd - that's how comes I've seen it, unfortunatley I'm funding terrorists and drug dealers by buying these bent dvd's.. ah well, they should let me smoke in the cinema's...

[canikickit]

Only now fashionable opinion of the whole paella is negative.

Not at all. I hated that film long before it was even released. I always knew it was going to be shite. Just another whizz-bang-boom-crash-wallop stream of mindless entertainment. Everytime I hear people talking about those films, I hear them talking about how the second and third one were crap...considering Reeves has less "acting" to do in the second, I'd naturally prefer that.

I haven't even finished watching the first one - I almost die of boredom every time I put it on - but feel I shouldn't criticise until I've watched it in full. Not that I stick to that, I think the film is one of the greatest rip-offs in history and deserves its urine extracted rigerously. All these poor people I respect like Suffian and Danton sucked in by a bunch of crap!

What's the deal with the pseudo-philisophical nonsense?
"Everything that has a begining must have an end"
ohh deep!
"would you like to know what the matrix is, Neo?"
no, fuck off you bald bastard!


You creamed over some of those kung fu and helicopter bullet time latex breakbeat set pieces like every other mother...

These actions sequences are all well and good. Impressive visuals, no doubt. They entertain while you watch, and then you fall asleep or cringe painfully at the scriptwriters next desperate attempt to confuse the viewer. While I may (or may not) enjoy those visual effects, they alone will not create a good film. I find it insulting that directors think they can pull this shit with me, all the crap throughout subtracts greatly from my enjoyment, and at the end there's an incredibly negative feeling, having been conned into waiting for intelligence and wit - all you get is BOOM!


I think a lot of people can't accept the fact that the Matrix isn't just about the movies, but also about the content in other media i.e. the animation + video games.

Are those people in denial? Why?
Regardless, when you go to watch a film in the cinema, or sit down on your couch to watch a film, that is what you are doing. I can't sit there listening to Samuel L. Jackson waffling about what the matrix is.

42 minutes in...

Neo: I can't go back, can I?
Morpheus: No. But if you could, would you really want to?

{Then he starts his stupid nonsense...}

Morpheus: I did what I did because....I had to...{cue crappy music}...When the matrix was first built, there was a man born

inside....it was he who freed the first of us, taught us the truth: as long as the matrix exists, the human race will never

be free. After he died, the oracle prophesised his return, and that his coming wqould hail the destruction of the matrix, end

the war bring freedom to our people. That is why there are those of us who have spent our lives searching the matrix, looking

for him. i did what I did because...I believe that search is over.

{Keanu looks around, the music builds up even more}

Morpheus: Get some rest, you're going to need it.

Neo: For what?

Morpheus: Your training.

It's just your typical bog-standard-good-looking-hero-rescues-the-human-race-whilst-wise-black-guy-gives-advice-and-acts-mystical-and-aloof-shoot-em-up-kung-fu-car-chase-thriller with a not-overly-original-philisophical twist and a few good looking girls thrown in for the craic.


I noticed your comment on KILL BILL also reflected your dislike of all things stylistic.


Style is in the eye of the beholder. As I mentioned in the thread on Kill Bill, I feel that Tarantino achieved the style he hoped for very well. It just so happens that that particular patronising style does not appeal to me.

I also feel that a lot of the "style" in The Matrix is incredibly stupid. Visual effects for the sake of visual effects. Mr. Smith (or whatever the bad guy with all the other guys that look like him is called) spending half an hour talking to Keanu about nonsense...that film is purely depressing.

Religious nonsense.

But hey, if it floats your boat, I'm all for it.

[Danton]

How many Hugo Weaving's does it take to ruin a barely palatable movie concept?

10000000000000000000000000000000000000000,00000000 0000000000

Your right dodo, they're all cacka.. I can't debate such meaningless movies - I haven't the will... I haven't seen the one with S L Jackson, maybe it's a different Matrix :D

Now Kill Bill on the other hand I will defend to the hilt... when I have the energy..

[canikickit]

I haven't seen the one with S L Jackson, maybe it's a different Matrix

argh!

Hey didn't you hear? Larry Fishburne and Samuel L. Jackson are the same person.

but Kill Bill was too slow. the tension has dissapated before the action begins.

[FistFullOfSteel]

When i saw the second movie,after the movie i had so much pain in the ass...i nearly fell asleep by the way



i have not seen the third movie

[Xvall]

It was a pretty awsome movie, in my opinion. The music was magnificent. The surreal fighting scene with Neo and Ex-Agent Smith towards the end was incredible. I loved how the millions of other smiths just stood in perfect order. In all the streets, and from all of the building windows. Thirteen-Thirty-Seven right there.

Did anyone else notice that in the first Matrix movie, Agent Smith talked about how humans were viruses that simply consumed and took over until absolutely nothing was left. Anyone notice that Smith was essentially doing that in the second and third movie?

A+ in my book.

[Dutch Leftist]

I enjoyed the movie..the action sequences were amazing and the story and the ending..well, I'm not satisfied with it but it has resulted in long discussions with friends and I ain't gonna repeat it here all over again ;)

[hemybel]

RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE...

Literally....


it's happening today..


I'm walking in the street... There's no freakin sidewalk... and I can't cross the road because the cars (the machines) are too fast.. they don't give a damn.... a hundred years ago... we ruled the Earth... the walkers ruled the earth....


we're slaves of our creations....