A new revolutionary group?

[El brody]

To start things off I'm just a beginner so sorry if my explication is wrong. Some of you people from USA might heard about what going on with the anti-immigrant laws in Alabama and Arizona. When every time I heard what is going on over at Alabama and Arizona about the the anti-immigrant laws it makes me think " Man why can't we make a revolutionary group?" It kinda remind me of the civil right movement when the black panther party was created. I love how their fought for the right of the colored people. So I was wondering if theirs a chance for the Mexicans in Arizona and Alabama to created a revolutionary group with the same ideology like the black panthers?

[VivaValiente]

In an advanced, technological society like the US, creating a maoist, militant group like the Black Panthers is quite dangerous. I have not seen a militant group with a Maoist ideology operate openly in the US since the Black Panthers. If there is any such group, then they are hidden somewhere underground where no one knows.

I don't think you need to create a revolutionary group like the Black Panthers to address the issues of anti-immigration laws and rampant discrimination against migrants. I don't think it is wise to create such a group at the beginning of any struggle. Violent confrontation with police and others is probably the worst position you could put yourself at the beginning. Besides, most migrants, and people for that matter, will not sway your way or join you if you tell them you're planning on creating a group like the Black Panthers.

I think you can create a strong organization of Mexicans who can get together and discuss and develop tactics, means, and options for dealing with those issues. I think you can get a strong communal organized group of Mexicans--and throw in some revolutionary ideology but not too extreme. But you need a great amount of people if you plan on creating any serious pressure or having any serious impact.

[mrmikhail]

Your first post is calling for the creation of a militant revolutionary group (like the black panthers)? Forgive me for being slightly paranoid given the fact we just up-rooted a plant, but does this seem rather suspicious to any one else?

No offense to you, but this just seems so very strange of a normal new member....


Also as a side note did you just seriously use the words "colored" people? :confused:

[VivaValiente]

What exactly is odd about coming onto a revolutionary site and proposing the possibility of a revolutionary group?

[Geiseric]

I would think that organising migrant labor would be more productive than a guerilla style maoist "revolutionary" group. Groups turn to military at a certain point in a struggle, it can't be artificially created.

[VivaValiente]

Your first post is calling for the creation of a militant revolutionary group (like the black panthers)? Forgive me for being slightly paranoid given the fact we just up-rooted a plant, but does this seem rather suspicious to any one else?

No offense to you, but this just seems so very strange of a normal new member....


Also as a side note did you just seriously use the words "colored" people? :confused:

how is coming onto a revolutionary website and proposing the idea of a revolutionary group odd to you?

[Zav]

If you're a pig, you're a fucking poor plant. I suppose you thought we would just give you direct access to some hypothetical militia.


I love how their fought for the right of the colored people.
If you're legit, then damn that was the wrong thing to say.

[mrmikhail]

If you're legit, then damn that was the wrong thing to say.

I call pig.

Precisely.

[Le Socialiste]

Such an organization requires massive amounts of time and effort if it is to mobilize enough people to meet even the bare minimum needed to achieve what you're talking about. Not to say it's impossible, but given today's technological levels (i.e. surveillance & tracking capabilities) and the low level of truly militant activity amongst broad layers of the American working-class, any attempts to organize a group resembling the Black Panthers will be difficult (an understatement if there ever was one).

And lay off the phrase "colored people."

Edit - Syd made an important point. Militant activity is best put to use through a natural progression of the workers' struggle; it can't be made up or forced on a whim. Organization should be our primary goal - what happens after that all comes down to how successful said organization efforts were and how unified the working-class is against the institutions of the state.

[VivaRevolution]

I had a friend once who got deported for being an "illegal" immigrant. Let's just say that I miss them very, very much.

And it pains me that these states are adopting these anti-people, anti-immigrant laws.

I totally agree that there should be a pro-immigrant, independent political group fighting for their rights, Left-wing, but not necessarily Communist(for obvious reasons).

I'm young and still in high school, and it pains me to not be with this person any longer. I fell powerless as a result of my age, but overtime I hope I can help people-the poor, the downtrodden, immigrants, etc.

[Geiseric]

The best way isnt with a guerilla group.

[A Marxist Historian]

Precisely.
"mrmikhail," with his ruminations on another thread about how Occupy Wall Street is allegedly turning into a rapefest, *allegedly* derived from a buddy whose father is a cop, is the last poster allowed to "call pig."

-M.H.-

[Q]

I advise against the setting up of yet another group as opposed or in competition against existing groups on the far left. The underlying reasoning for this could be summed up as briefly as "everything that divides us, weakens us", but for a more underlying reasoning I suggest watching the following paneldiscussion and in particular the contribution of the first speaker, Mike Macnair, which takes about 18 minutes:

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[mrmikhail]

"mrmikhail," with his ruminations on another thread about how Occupy Wall Street is allegedly turning into a rapefest, *allegedly* derived from a buddy whose father is a cop, is the last poster allowed to "call pig."

-M.H.-

You got it buddy :rolleyes:

the Sparts really are kept around the Trotskyist movement for comedic relief :lol:


but on another note, you are going to, on another thread of a user's experience with a Spart, argue against factionalism (while at the same time supporting a boycott because some group in a rally was anti-nuclear, last I checked boycotting is also factionalism) then all you can do is come up personal attacks upon me based on my views as a member of the IMT, yet again promoting factionalism. You are nothing but a hypocrite, comrade.