Schoolboy jailed for life for raping teacher

[Nanatsu Yoru]

What are the opinions of the significance of this?

SOURCE: http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2005/mar/11/schools.uk

A 12-year-old boy who raped his teacher and then stole her car was today detained for life.

The schoolboy attacked the woman as she sat next to him during a one-to-one teaching session. Afterwards, he took her car and drove it for 30 miles before dumping it in Gateshead on Tyneside.

The boy, who has severe learning difficulties, admitted at an earlier hearing that he had raped the teacher at a special needs centre in County Durham and then stolen her car in November 2004.

Today at Teesside Crown Court, Mr Justice Grigson ordered the boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, to be detained for life. The child is one of Britain's youngest convicted rapists.

Personally, I think that a culture where a child can be abused physically, emotionally, even sexually and then press charges on them because he does a similar thing... well, something's wrong, we all know that.

[Le Rouge]

He must be a strong 12 year old boy to have been able to rape her...

[Geiseric]

wow that's nuts.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Wait, if you get life in the UK, does that mean life? Or does the state cap the sentence after a certain number of years?

[Apoi_Viitor]

On one hand, I doubt he will ever be able to be rehabilitated into society, but given his past experiences the idea that he deserves to sit in a jail cell for the rest of his life seems... cruel.

[MattShizzle]

I thought sending a 12 year old to prison for life only happened in religious extremist countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia or the United States?

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

The article said he would be eligible for parole in 21 months. Since this article is 6 years old, he may have been released already.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

This is a very difficult issue, a child committing a violent crime like rape. Clearly he's a danger to the community, but the bourgeois justice system is generally a poor way to deal with crime of any sort.

[tir1944]

What kind of kid rapes his teacher?

[Искра]

What kind of kid rapes his teacher?
Kid with problems.

On the other hand I would like that my teacher raped me :)

[W1N5T0N]

great, another outcast.

[roy]

Detained where? In a medical institution I hope, seeing as though he is clearly ill. Prison is the last place a sick person should be sent, especially if the person in question is a child.

This vaguely reminds me of the 14-year-old boy facing the possibility 6 years in an Indonesian prison for marijuana possession right now.

[dodger]

http://www.google.com.ph/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=schoolboy%2Brapist%2Buk%2Bteeside&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDcQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guardian.co.uk%2Fuk%2F2010%2F jun%2F22%2Fschoolboy-rapist-gets-reduced-term&ei=p1O6TrqzH-SeiAeA8rTVBw&usg=AFQjCNHfnSvh61XpM3FvkhMcF-2K1yGkig

A sequel....as noted here...the sentence reflects a need to protect public. Hope of interest.

[GatesofLenin]

Oh come on now, how many of us here thought of having the dirty done with a hot teacher? I know I did! :blushing:

[Smyg]

^ Rape apologism, by this site's strict definition. :rolleyes:

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

Not funny at all. :(

[dodger]

Oh come on now, how many of us here thought of having the dirty done with a hot teacher? I know I did! :blushing:

DID YOU ACTUALLY READ THE LINKS POSTED? THE TEACHER WAS SUBJECTED TO A SUSTAINED AND BRUTAL ATTACK. HENCE THE GRAVITY OF THE SENTENCE. i AM SHOCKED AT YOUR RESPONSE AND CAN ONLY THINK ...SOMEHOW YOU 'HAVE GOTTEN HOLD OF THE WRONG END OF THE STICK....PLEASE CLARIFY!

[Smyg]

Exactly my opinion, only I don't use CAPS.

[Искра]

It's sarcasm. Chill out PC police.

[Fawkes]

On the other hand I would like that my teacher raped me :)

No you wouldn't




Anyone have any updates on this case? I don't care what crime it is, sentencing a 12 year old to life is never the most sensible or "just" solution.

[Fawkes]

Chill out PC police.

No.


And it's not "PC", it's a matter of discouraging comments like those that serve to perpetuate a society where rape is a daily occurrence and the victims are frequently blamed more than the perpetrators, if anyone is even blamed at all. A lot of posters here are rape victims themselves, so you could at the very least have some respect for the trauma and horrific pain they've gone and continue to go through even if you're unwilling to recognize the role that comments like those play in perpetuating a culture of rape and violence.

[ClearlyChrist]

DID YOU ACTUALLY READ THE LINKS POSTED? THE TEACHER WAS SUBJECTED TO A SUSTAINED AND BRUTAL ATTACK. HENCE THE GRAVITY OF THE SENTENCE. i AM SHOCKED AT YOUR RESPONSE AND CAN ONLY THINK ...SOMEHOW YOU 'HAVE GOTTEN HOLD OF THE WRONG END OF THE STICK....PLEASE CLARIFY!

And Here's Me Thinking My Writing Was The Most Subject To Criticism.. But Seriously, Fair And Valid Point, But All Caps Rage Much?

[Obs]

Oh come on now, how many of us here thought of having the dirty done with a hot teacher? I know I did! :blushing:
I hope you get fucking murdered you prick. Fuck you. Let's see you make that joke when your best friend's been raped you fuck.

As for this case - while the article is six years old, it does raise a worthwhile discussion. I don't think there's any discussion (apart maybe from a few of our resident dinosaurs) that this boy should be rehabilitated, but at what point can we definitively say that that's been done? Is the boy a psychopath (in which case there's really no guarantee he won't do it again) or does the problem lie elsewhere? If so, at what point should we feel safe letting him out again?

[Smyg]

I get about as riled up as Obs, honestly.

(For the record, that "best friend's been raped" situation almost happened not long ago. :crying:)

[ClearlyChrist]

I Get What GatesOfLenin's Trying To Say, Sure It's A Little Fantasy. But Jokes Really Aren't Appropriate When It Comes To A Real Life Scenario. The Child Is Clearly Ill, And The Act Was Horrendous. But I'm Sure He Knows That, Easy On Him.

[Le Rouge]

I thought sending a 12 year old to prison for life only happened in religious extremist countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia or the United States?

You are my hero, i'm gonna sig this

[dodger]

APOLOGIES FOR THE CAPS......NO DOUBT I AM OLD AND CRANKY!!....PLEASE IGNORE!!!

Just a modest effort to garner the truth of the matter...not pre-judge....dodger ain't one to press RED buttons before he is sure of his facts................nor have I ever been addressed as PC.....rather flattered actually.

[eyedrop]

What is it with all the inherent assumptions people here have about people who have a different opinion than them on rape jokes haven't had rapes in their close social circle?

Everyone has a raped friend...

[Nox]

Firstly, how the f*** can a 12 year old rape a fully grown woman?

Secondly, how the f*** can a 12 year old drive a car perfectly for 30 minutes?

Thirdly, how the f*** can a 12 year old receive a life sentence for it?

Something tells me this article is a hoax

[dodger]

I hope you get fucking murdered you prick. Fuck you. Let's see you make that joke when your best friend's been raped you fuck.

As for this case - while the article is six years old, it does raise a worthwhile discussion. I don't think there's any discussion (apart maybe from a few of our resident dinosaurs) that this boy should be rehabilitated, but at what point can we definitively say that that's been done? Is the boy a psychopath (in which case there's really no guarantee he won't do it again) or does the problem lie elsewhere? If so, at what point should we feel safe letting him out again?

You make sound points Obs about the case. Rehabilitation or in the case of mental illness, treatment is paramount. If the child exhibits psychopathic, then medical treatment is of no use. My brother deals on a daily basis with psychopaths, in a residential setting, in the community..under home office license. Put crudely, there is a carrot and stick approach. Behave or go back inside. All have still the capacity to harm themselves and others. He is very dedicated to this work as are the staff. As for the young fellow if you followed the link I provided you will see there was a miscarriage of justice. I don't know all the facts SO I am loathe to engage. All in all it's a powder keg....declining social services...medical facilities..a public that rightly wishes to be protected.....a media that seems hell bent on getting mileage out of human tragedy. All in all I am not expecting good outcomes.

Nox...Check the link in post 13 for update.....another case with another outcome for the rapist.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=13year%20old%20rapes%20uk&source=web&cd=25&ved=0CDQQFjAEOBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farti cle-1246195%2FBoy-13-raped-woman-friends-jailed-just-years.html&ei=tcO6Tt7zLISfiAf38-jUBw&usg=AFQjCNHAlyiRlitrtrroDUOlX3pV2NnFcg

[MattShizzle]

I wonder if the outrage in the above linked case by the "Mail" crowd was mainly because the rapist wasn't white...

[VivaCastro]

Not condoning it one bit, but surely help would be first on the agenda for the kid before 'detaining' him for life

[Cencus]

Firstly, how the f*** can a 12 year old rape a fully grown woman?

"The schoolboy, who is 5ft 3in and stocky, then raped the woman, who is 5ft 1in. From the guardian article.


Secondly, how the f*** can a 12 year old drive a car perfectly for 30 minutes?

As long as his legs are long enough to reach the pedals he can drive.



Thirdly, how the f*** can a 12 year old receive a life sentence for it?

The kids who killed Jamie Bulgar were tried in an adult court and also recieved life sentences. The age of criminal responsability in England is I believe 10. That means you pull any naughty after hitting that age you can be tried in an adult court & recieve adult sentences, but rarely happens.


Something tells me this article is a hoax

The Guardian isn't known for bullshit stories, it tends to follow a left/libertarian editorial line unlike most of the rest of the British press. Not saying this isn't some sorta elaborate hoax but it's highly unlikely given the scource and it's political leanings, if it came from the Daily Mail I'd be more inclined to entertain the idea it was a hoax.

[Yuppie Grinder]

Kid with problems.

On the other hand I would like that my teacher raped me :)
rape isn't funny or cute

[Demogorgon]

Wait, if you get life in the UK, does that mean life? Or does the state cap the sentence after a certain number of years?
No, you can apply for parole after the tariff is up and full life tariffs are normally only given to serial killers. The boy was given a period of twenty one months before parole, though the judge warned him he probably wouldn't be released then so I would guess he did four or five years. He will almost certainly be out by now.

The law works differently in England than it does here in Scotland which I am more familiar with, but the basics are the same so I can give a rough overview. When someone is released from a life sentence they are on what is known as a "license" which means they are released under conditions set by the parole board, usually of the "don't commit any more crimes" variety but may also include requirements to stay away from certain areas, not to associate with certain people and so on. Keeping in contact with a probation officer is also a normal requirement. If you violate the terms you can be recalled to prison and your sentence is reactivated meaning you need paroled for the original life sentence again before you can get out.

For instance the Jamie Bulger case was brought up by another poster and it provides a good example because yesterday it was reported in the news that one of the killers has completed a short sentence for child pornography but will remain in prison because he is not receiving new parole for the original life sentence.

The area I am not sure about with regards to England is how exactly it works with under 18s. In Scotland if you are under 18 you get sentenced to "detention without limit of time", the parole requirements in such a case are typically more relaxed, but I am not sure if an equivalent exists in England.

Also as a final note, in both countries you can't go to Young Offenders Institution (prison for under 21s) until you are 16, so the boy will have been put in a detention centre and they are considerably more humane.

[Invader Zim]

Firstly, how the f*** can a 12 year old rape a fully grown woman?

Secondly, how the f*** can a 12 year old drive a car perfectly for 30 minutes?

Thirdly, how the f*** can a 12 year old receive a life sentence for it?

Something tells me this article is a hoax



Firstly, how the f*** can a 12 year old rape a fully grown woman?

You require a manual?


Secondly, how the f*** can a 12 year old drive a car perfectly for 30 minutes?

Kids steal cars all the time. And how do you know it wasn't an automatic?




Thirdly, how the f*** can a 12 year old receive a life sentence for it?

Life under the UK penal system does not actually mean life. The kid was eligable for parole after 21 months.