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kingbee
9th November 2003, 15:45
ive gotta write an essay on whether america is the centre of a new form of empire. any thoughts will be chuffing. cheers

(*
9th November 2003, 16:22
Like what the back of the dollar bill reads.

"NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM"

a new order has begun, or a new cycle of the ages.



The empire has already been created, through the exploitation of the third world. Talk about globalization as well.

I'll think of more stuff then post it.

Dr. Rosenpenis
9th November 2003, 16:22
Read Chomsky.
I have never read anyone so eloquently explain and condemn American imperialism. And everything he writes is based on factual information.

martingale
10th November 2003, 11:03
It is interesting to note that Chomsky is an eagerly sought-after guest for interviews everywhere in the world --- everywhere except in the US mainstream media. He appeared once on PBS's MacNeil-Lehrer Newshour back in the 1980's. What he had to say apparently was considered so beyond the pale of "conventional wisdom" and so threatening to those in power and their smooth-functioning propaganda system, that he was never invited back again. It is extremely difficult if not impossible to find analyses similar to Chomsky's anywhere in the US mainstream media. You really need to go to small US alternative sources or the foreign press to find out the truth about US foreign policy.

martingale
10th November 2003, 11:12
Here's an article that might be of some help. The following article was published in the Toronto Globe & Mail a year ago when Bush came out with his doctrine of pre-emption or preventive war, as embodied in the "National Security Strategy of the United States":

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0924-06.htm


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For the past decade, analysts have been debating the question of whether the United States would follow the course of former powerful states such as Britain and Rome and proclaim itself an empire. In George W. Bush's National Security Strategy, submitted to the U.S. Congress on Sept. 20, the White House espouses a doctrine that is explicitly imperialist.

The document envisions a world in which the United States will enjoy permanent military dominance over all countries, allies and potential foes alike. Indeed, in its sweeping declaration that the U.S. "has no intention of allowing any foreign power to catch up with the huge lead the United States has opened since the fall of the Soviet Union," the distinction between friends and foes becomes much less important than it was in the past.

...

The meaning of the doctrine is clear. It dashes the aspirations of those who had hoped that the world was moving toward a system of international law that would allow for the peaceful resolution of conflicts, through covenants and courts. In place of this, a single power that shuns covenants and courts has proclaimed that it intends to dominate the world militarily, intervening pre-emptively where necessary to exorcise threats.

...

It may very well be true that there is not much the rest of the world can do about America's military might. But former imperial powers that have proclaimed their right to dominate others have ended up creating adversaries that multiply faster than the means to control them. However comfortable the yoke that is offered, people won't accept it over the long term. Those who want a world in which no power is supreme and which laws and covenants are used to settle conflicts will begin a new debate -- about how to contend with imperial America.

Americans may live to rue Sept. 20, 2002, the day they turned in the old republic for a new global empire.
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martingale
10th November 2003, 11:25
And here's a Chomsky interview conducted by MADRE on April 29, 2003, describing the meaning of the US invasion of Iraq in the context of overall US imperial ambitions:

http://www.topica.com/lists/[email protected]=d&start=61 (http://www.topica.com/lists/[email protected]/read/message.html?mid=806257305&sort=d&start=61)

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MADRE: Why did the US invade Iraq?

Well, the official reasons have been riddled with contradictions. One
day the issue was whether Iraq would disarm, even though the UN weapons
inspectors were already virtually disarming Iraq, and could have
continued, if that were really the goal. But one day after the
administration said that disarmament was the "single question," they
changed their minds: disarmament was not enough. The goal was now
"regime change." Then at the Azores summit that Bush and Blair held just
before the invasion, they said that they would invade even if Saddam and
his gang left the country. So "regime change" was not enough either.
Then we heard that the goal was "democracy" in the world. No sane person
could take this charade seriously.

Beyond the charade, however, lies a plausible explanation for the
invasion, connected to the National Security Strategy that the
administration published in September 2002. In that document, the US
basically announced that it intends to rule the world by force forever,
and that it will crush any potential challenge it might perceive. This
is being called Bush’s doctrine of pre-emption, or preventive war. We’ve
seen elements of this before, but the “right” of preventive war has
never been so brazenly claimed. And it’s not enough to announce a
doctrine, you need to establish it, too. That way, people know that you
are serious. Iraq is meant to be an example, a credible threat to the
rest of the world.

MADRE: Why did the Administration choose Iraq as a test case for its new
military doctrine?

Iraq was chosen for two reasons. First, because it was militarily
defenseless, so that the administration could be relatively sure that
there would be few US casualties to sour public opinion on the
operation. In fact, what we’ve seen is less than 150 US military deaths,
compared to thousands of Iraqi soldiers and civilian killed. The US
would have never attacked Iraq if they thought they had any possibility
of defending themselves, just as they won’t attack North Korea because
it has a credible deterrent, namely massed artillery aimed at Seoul.
And secondly, Iraq was chosen because it is important: it has the second
largest proven reserves of oil in the world.

But the main point we have to understand is that Iraq was a trial run.
Iraq was attacked as an experiment, to try to establish a new norm of
preventative war. That means it will be the first - not the last - in a
series of attacks. The next one could be Iran. They might go after
another easy target like Syria or they might go straight after the ones
they are really concerned with because they are independent, meaning
they are not totally under US control. Take the Andean region, for
example. It would take nothing for a public relations firm to build up
a claim that the guerillas in the Andean region are about to destroy the
United States, and therefore in self-defense we have to go in and
establish democracy there.

MADRE: What do you see as the main consequences of this attack?

For months, US intelligence and international affairs specialists have
been informing anyone who wanted to listen that the policies Washington
is pursuing are likely to lead to an increase in terror and the
proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, for revenge or simply
deterrence. The US has told the world very frankly that if you want to
prevent us from attacking you, you’d better have a deterrent of some
kind. The deterrent can be terror, it can be weapons of mass
destruction, it can be mass conventional forces as the North Koreans
have, but you better have something. Well, Iraq had nothing, so it was a
fair target for attack. The US was able to just walk in and take it over
after a lot of pretense about how powerful Iraq was. Thanks to the US
stance, we can expect to see a rapid and intense build-up of military
force around the world that will make us all less secure.

There are two ways for Washington to respond to the threats engendered
by its actions and startling proclamations. One way is to try to
alleviate the threats by paying some attention to legitimate grievances,
and by agreeing to become a civilized member of the world community,
with some respect for world order and its institutions. The other way
is to construct even more awesome engines of destruction and domination,
so that any perceived challenge, however remote, can be crushed.

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kingbee
11th November 2003, 20:01
cheers. kinda done it now. if you have a lot of time..... (tried to be neutral cos its a kinda important essay)


*edit*- realised i dont wanna post it- its for my oxford application, and im a bit iffy bout putting it here. dont really know if i wanna go- the institution seems bit posh/bourgeois.

Ernestocheguevara
12th November 2003, 14:03
Try Micheal Moore books!! His most recent is Dude Where's my country!! :lol: :D

Looter
12th November 2003, 16:27
American Imperialism began with the Monroe doctrine which proclaimed Latin America to be an American demesne. Then in the late nineteenth century America started to take over the Pacific begining with Hawaii and then the Spanish American war which gave it Guam and the Phillipines , this lead to the War with Japan which expanded Americam control to Japan, then south Korea and Taiwan and finally the Vietnam War. The US also intervened in Europe to save the old order and take up the crusade against Bolshevism. Finally in the eighties the US began to take control of the MidEast. They built a superbase at Diego Garcia, then what began with reflagging Kuwaiti Oil Tankers has steadliy escalated to the current war without end.

che's long lost daughter
12th November 2003, 17:19
Par Avion

You travel to foreign lands
And promote the beauty of our
Country to imperialists who,
In time will turn into
Vampires, sucking the blood
Out of your people and leaving
Lifeless bodies behind to be
Fed to the vultures...


* I live in a country whose leader is a slave to Bush. We have been under spanish rule for 333 years, then the Americans for 50 years, then the Japanese for about 3 years...but now we are free, or so my people thought...recently, Bush visited my country for 8 hrs and the government spent millions just for that...I could jut imagine how many hungry mouths that amount of money could feed or how many public school bulidings could be built or how many school books could be bought...they say the amount they spent is nothing to what Bush will offer us (he was said to have given some financial assistance). I just thought, Financial Assistance = my people's freedom...when will they ever learn

Saint-Just
12th November 2003, 20:10
Originally posted by che's long lost [email protected] 12 2003, 06:19 PM
* I live in a country whose leader is a slave to Bush. We have been under spanish rule for 333 years, then the Americans for 50 years, then the Japanese for about 3 years...but now we are free, or so my people thought...recently, Bush visited my country for 8 hrs and the government spent millions just for that...I could jut imagine how many hungry mouths that amount of money could feed or how many public school bulidings could be built or how many school books could be bought...they say the amount they spent is nothing to what Bush will offer us (he was said to have given some financial assistance). I just thought, Financial Assistance = my people's freedom...when will they ever learn
You live in the Philippines I think. I heard the country has a very large Islamic population, how large is it?

What do you think of the New People's Army?

che's long lost daughter
14th November 2003, 16:48
Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 12 2003, 09:10 PM
You live in the Philippines I think. I heard the country has a very large Islamic population, how large is it?

What do you think of the New People's Army?
Yeah, I do live in the Philippines. There is quite a number of Muslims who live here but most of them live in the south (Mindanao).

About the New People's Army...they have a very bad reputation here in my country because they kill a lot of people. They collect what they call revolutionary tax from the people in the areas where they stay (The members live in the mountains). I feel for them and understand what they are fighting for but I think killing people is not the answer. I believe in their idealogies but how they practice it is really unacceptable. :(