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KurtFF8
8th November 2011, 13:42
I thought this was an interesting title/article for Time so I thought I'd share here.

Source (http://news.yahoo.com/occupy-oakland-debates-violence-black-bloc-anarchists-100000474.html;_ylt=AmhsUJ6QU2HUTTDM8jlOoWGs0NUE;_ ylu=X3oDMTNsNHRoMjNzBG1pdANUb3BTdG9yeSBGUARwa2cDNm IxZTVmYTctNTQ4Mi0zZjUyLWJiZmYtOGMwZTg1ZDcxODk5BHBv cwM3BHNlYwN0b3Bfc3RvcnkEdmVyAzQ3YmNjZjMwLTA5ZjEtMT FlMS1iYzc3LTg5MDg4ODI3YjFmYw--;_ylg=X3oDMTFpNzk0NjhtBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3)



While work crews were busy replacing smashed windows and scrubbing graffiti off downtown walls late last week, Christopher Goodwin, 30, held up a copy of the Oakland Tribune with the headline "Violence, Vandals Divide a Movement" to a group of mostly first-time visitors to the occupied City Hall plaza. "The media can be our biggest ally or our biggest enemy, and right now they're tying to figure out which route to take," he declared, adding that he was going to propose a holding press conference to denounce violent tactics being used in the name of the Occupy movement. "That might be harder than it sounds," interjected a skinny young man in the crowd, with noticeable irritation in his voice. "I'm 100 percent committed to nonviolence; I would never throw a rock at a police officer," Paul, 21, a self-described anarchist from Los Angeles, explained afterward. "But at the same time, while I wouldn't condone those tactics, I don't delegitimize them either ... a lot of [social] change was brought about by violence." He cited the American Revolution and Civil War as examples.

Whether they be liberal, pacifist, marxist or anarchist, protesters in Oakland agree that the initial police crackdown of Oct. 25 backfired in a big way for the authorities. The publicity windfall generated when riot police shot projectiles that seriously injured an Iraq war veteran thrust the Oakland campaign to the forefront of the Occupy movement. That momentum gained more traction last Wednesday during the city's general strike, when thousands turned out to march against economic inequality and police brutality and shut down the country's fourth largest port — only to falter at night as the streets caught fire. Clashes broke out between police and masked agitators — allegedly members of a group called Black Bloc — that saw more than a hundred people arrested and dozens of businesses damaged, including some that had actively supported the protests. (See whether Oakland's general strike would have legs.) (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=12i4j86fg/EXP=1321969194/**http%3A//www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2098316,00.html)

A majority of longtime Occupy participants have insisted the second confrontation was provoked by an unruly 1% of the 99%, bent on hijacking a nonviolent movement. A larger question looms, though, as to how the movement's image may suffer if such outbreaks continue, and what can be done to prevent them. Kim Voss, head of the sociology department at the University of California, Berkeley, notes that radical elements of movements sometimes have a "net positive effect" at first because they draw greater support to more moderate groups and give authorities incentives to offer concessions. The defensiveness of city officials post–Oct. 25, when they allowed protesters to retake the plaza in front of City Hall, is a case in point. "However," she adds, "the opposite dynamics also occur, in which the radical elements erode support for movements and additionally justify repression."

The stakes are putting solidarity to the test. Over the weekend, some complained that a meeting scheduled to discuss the meaning of the violence and a strategy to contain it had been canceled, then hastily rescheduled, causing many to miss the gathering. Debate nonetheless carries on inside tents and along sidewalks about what the next steps might be. "You have to have some sort of leadership. Don't confuse leadership with dictatorship," says Alonzo, 24, a Black Panther activist. "When you put that leader thing in front of [someone], he's gonna have an ego," counters Ali, 38, who instead argues that individuals should take more initiative on their own when trouble is on the verge. Next time a major action is held, he says, he would form an ad hoc group to protect businesses around the plaza and pull the masks down of anyone wearing a bandana to ensure accountability. Rasta, another camp resident, is less conciliatory: "These anarchists are going to f--- this up; we need to stop them by any means necessary," he says, making a slicing motion with his hand. (Watch TIME's video "What Happens After the Standoff at Occupy Oakland.") (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=12v13j6kv/EXP=1321969194/**http%3A//www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,1247249641001_2098139,00.html)

Video footage taken of the strike-day vandalism at a Whole Foods store and in the streets overnight shows some people in black hooded sweatshirts and bandanas, the trademark of Black Bloc anarchist tactics. A fixture at anticapitalist demonstrations around the world, Black Bloc-ers observe a nearly uniform dress code designed to make participants look alike and prevent authorities from gauging who did what when unlawful acts are committed. Some advocates, however, say anarchists are being stigmatized by being painted in the same shades as Black Bloc; anarchists, they point out, come in all stripes, many of them nonviolent. Others argue that Black Bloc tactics are not tantamount to violence and can be a form of self-defense. "It's for safety, from the cops who came looking to fight," equipped with body armor and tear gas, says Jack, 24, a protester who was shot in the leg with a projectile during the last melee and who claims no affiliation.

Still, the day before the strike, members of a so-called Oakland Liberation Front (OLF) passed out a darkly cynical flyer that mocked peaceful protesters as "unpaid soldiers" of the state and called for violent measures. "The streets are no place for the practice of inculcating society with your hateful message of conservative morality," it read. "There are Sundays for that." (See pictures of the Occupy Wall Street protests.) (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=12hlhm2iu/EXP=1321969194/**http%3A//www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,2094925,00.html)

While the OLF message was clear, no one knows who its members are. Kevin 18, an anarchist and onetime Black Bloc-er who says he knows most of the "tight-knit" Bay Area radical community, says neither he nor any of his hard-core friends have ever heard of the OLF and concludes it must be a shell group looking to capitalize on the moment. "If it was local, we would know something by now," he says. His suspicions about outsider "drive-bys" is heightened, he says, because shops like Tully's Coffee, which has provided free coffee and wireless Internet access to protesters, were targeted. (According to police, about three-quarters of arrestees were locals.) Either way, their actions have harmed the efforts of "nonviolent anarchists," who he says have been a backbone of the protests from the start. "Liberals are now saying they should take us and beat us up; it's the same kind of behavior they're fighting against," he grumbles, pointing out that the soundman at the general assembly, a fellow anarchist, was on strike over threats made against his fellow anarchists, forcing speakers to shout across the plaza.

Violence and the potential for more has given Occupy Oakland an internal dynamic of debate and an external one of allure in the eyes of the popular media. But it is one of almost excruciating contradiction for participants. On Friday afternoon, in a small but emblematic moment, a middle-aged protester banged his fist against an unmarked white van idling in the plaza that held a Fox News TV crew. "I have had enough! I dare you to tell the truth," he furiously shouted, drawing a concerned crowd of Occupy protesters. One of them stepped forward: "Hey brother, I'm totally with you, but this footage of you ranting and raving is all they're gonna show. It's not helpful." The man, however, would not shut up. "I'm not radical, the truth is radical!" he blared on — and no one could stop him.

See how Occupy Oakland is stealing Occupy Wall Street's mojo. (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=12ihbjrpi/EXP=1321969194/**http%3A//www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2098628,00.html)
See what happens when violence goes viral. (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=13fosat3o/EXP=1321969194/**http%3A//swampland.time.com/2011/10/27/violence-gone-viral-and-the-lessons-of-occupy-oakland/)
View this article on Time.com (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=13dg2dgoj/EXP=1321969194/**http%3A//www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2098891,00.html%3Fxid=rss-fullnation-yahoo)

Os Cangaceiros
9th November 2011, 03:23
"The media can be our biggest ally or our biggest enemy, and right now they're tying to figure out which route to take," he declared, adding that he was going to propose a holding press conference to denounce violent tactics being used in the name of the Occupy movement.

What these weiners don't understand is that the media is never going to portray an avowed anti-capitalist movement as anything but negative. If they don't get images of rioting, then they'll just portray occupations as dirty camps full of drug addicts, rapists, hippies and vagrants.

Also, grabbing/punching/shoving someone while screaming "NON-VIOLENCE!"...yeah. :rolleyes:

Honestly I could care less if someone smashes windows to get their rocks off, go ahead, who gives a shit. I don't think it's productive, but it's not something that I'm preoccupied with, considering the relatively successful even on November 2nd, which somehow got overshadowed by the fact that jokers in black engaged in minor property damage. Guess what, those guys show up at pretty much every anti-capitalist demo, and do the same shit. If you want to try and stop 100 people intent on property damage, be my guest. If you try beating them and/or handing them over to the cops, though, I hope that they give you the same treatment that Mubarak's thugs received during the infamous "camel charge" in Tahrir Square.

Agent Equality
9th November 2011, 04:33
Personally the destruction of capitalist property doesn't phase me in the slightest bit. I'm actually glad they did that. Now not only are we metaphorically destroying capitalism, we are physically doing it as well.
The property isn't worker controlled nor is it publicly owned, therefore, fuck it.

scarletghoul
9th November 2011, 05:25
Interesting. Its only a matter of time before other major occupations follow in this direction, imo.


Still, the day before the strike, members of a so-called Oakland Liberation Front (OLF) passed out a darkly cynical flyer that mocked peaceful protesters as "unpaid soldiers" of the state and called for violent measures. "The streets are no place for the practice of inculcating society with your hateful message of conservative morality," it read. "There are Sundays for that."
:laugh: this is legendary

Martin Blank
9th November 2011, 05:35
:laugh: this is legendary

Someone posted a pic of the leaflet in Chit-Chat. It is legendary.

KurtFF8
9th November 2011, 15:17
This is what Boots Riley had to say



The truth is that while almost everyone I know in Occupy Oakland (including myself) thinks that breaking windows is tactically the wrong thing to do and very stupid, many people do not agree with non-violent philosophy. If you kicked those folks out then you would have a body of folks that wouldn't have been radical enough to even call for a General Strike. Occupy Oakland, on the whole, has a radi...cal analysis that leads us to campaigns that others wouldn't and which also capture people's imagination. For instance, as I've said before, Gandhi was vocally against strikes because physically stopping someone from what they want to do is violent. Occupy Oakland has called for a diversity of tactics- which is different than our New York comrades, however I don't think that is supposed to mean that you use every tactic every time. We are so large here precisely because our actions have teeth. If the police blockaded at the port- we would have had 2 choices. The first would have been to let them stop us from getting there- with them thereby calling a victory against OO. The second choice was for us to quietly push through them with the shields we had in the front of the march and using our power in numbers to get through. That would, technically, not fall into non-violent philosophy. I think it is the fact that police knew that we had tens of thousands and we would push through there if necessary, that caused them to stay away. Also, everyone here seems to be inspired by Arab Spring, Greek movements, and other similar movements in Europe. None of those were non-violent in nature. The Egyptian folks burned down a police station, for instance. Everyone I know thinks that tactics like that here would cause the movement to be crushed, so those tactics are not on the table- I'm just pointing out that people are saying that this is emulating a movement which was pretty violent. But, I think the discussion is about tactics, not about adopting non-violent philosophy. On November 2nd, a large group of people with many contradictions successfully shut down the city in the biggest action with an overt class analysis in 60 years. People all over the world, all over the country, all over Oakland- are excited by this. If you are threatening to leave because, in the midst of this mass action some people broke windows and we are all trying to figure out how to work together, then you're missing the point and you'll be missing out on history. Don't let the media frame the discussion. The average everyday person was empowered by what happened on November 2nd. Every movement has contradictions, we aren't told about them so we think this movement should be different- there was violence during the Civil Rights movement. The pastor that had MLK's job before him at Ebeneezer Baptist Church had just made all of his congregation buy shotguns. The NAACP had an ARMED chapter in North Carolina. You can wait 50 more years for your perfect movement, or you can realize that it's here.

Art Vandelay
9th November 2011, 19:21
Boots is badass, plus hes got sick flow.

Decolonize The Left
9th November 2011, 20:08
Someone posted a pic of the leaflet in Chit-Chat. It is legendary.

Since it seems to be pertinent at the moment:

http://athens.indymedia.org/local/webcast/uploads/ooantipeace7lkabz.jpg

- August