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Die Neue Zeit
8th November 2011, 06:40
Years later, social democracy has (thankfully) not recovered from its decline. It's still bleeding support to Right-populists, "Radical Center"-ists, Left-populists, Left radicals, and, somewhere between the latter two, "Socialism of the 21st Century"-ists.

All they keep resorting to are tired Keynesian platitudes from a bygone era when labour and capital were not so mobile, and when precarious workers weren't as numerous.

Thoughts?

RGacky3
8th November 2011, 08:16
the old style communists were dead since the 90s, the social democrats are still the main political power in Europe though, but the ones that went for the third way are gonna loose out, it is good to see the raise of new anti-capitalist parties, these imo are the future of hte left.

Vladimir Innit Lenin
9th November 2011, 22:17
This is a rather introverted topic, is it not? :lol::lol::lol:

La Comédie Noire
10th November 2011, 06:50
I think the mobility of labor and capital will create a new consciousness that goes beyond the 40 hour a week worker and the capitalist. I still think the working class will have to deliver the final blow, but in doing so it will dissolve itself into the human race. But that's just me being optimistic.

RGacky3
10th November 2011, 08:49
I dunno, capital is way way more mobile than labor, and getting more mobile, infact labor, due to home ownership and debt, is becoming less mobile.

La Comédie Noire
10th November 2011, 20:46
This is true, but I think home ownership is declining as the next generation of the working class either can't afford to make a mortgage payment or decide to avoid the risk all together.

But it does bring up an interesting question does a job for life and a home breed conservatism in the working class? I think so, so what happens if that stuff disappears?

RGacky3
10th November 2011, 23:31
This is true, but I think home ownership is declining as the next generation of the working class either can't afford to make a mortgage payment or decide to avoid the risk all together.

Thats true but other forms of debt is keeping labor from any sort of mobility.


But it does bring up an interesting question does a job for life and a home breed conservatism in the working class? I think so, so what happens if that stuff disappears?

I don't know, some of the most progressive parts of the United States are places where people have jobs for life.

I don't remember who said it but some right winger once said "people with mortgages don't strike." So I think what saddles the working class is debt, a steady home and income is more likely to make people just more a-political, I think what breeds conservatism is just fear.