Is it legal?

[Savior]

There are books i want to read, but dont feel like purchasing due to lack of funds. so i type the books name into google along with pdf and i can click o na link and read the pdf which is the whole book. Im not downloading it. Is this legal? Or ive heard of people copying and pasting it and putting it into a word document to read at another time. Is that legal?

Thanks.

[xub3rn00dlex]

There are books i want to read, but dont feel like purchasing due to lack of funds. so i type the books name into google along with pdf and i can click o na link and read the pdf which is the whole book. Im not downloading it. Is this legal? Or ive heard of people copying and pasting it and putting it into a word document to read at another time. Is that legal?

Thanks.

Perfectly legal. What books do you need?

[Broletariat]

Probably not, but who gives a fuck tbqh.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Probably not, but who gives a fuck tbqh.

Why wouldn't it be legal? That would be like saying marxists.org is illegal because it has a ton of works that you're not paying for. If it's up there online for you to read in it's entirety, then you're not breaking a law by looking at it.

[Savior]

Some are just novels that sort of thing. ( on a side note, i would like also to get some books on the soviet union on if it was degenerated workers state, or state capitalist, or bureaucratic collectivist, books that discuss those theories) however some are ebooks that you purchase but some people uploaded it to the internet and so i can read it that way. I can read it and copy and paste it onto a word document, and its legal? Would it be legal if i decided to download the pdf itself?

Thanks for the fast reply, btw.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Some are just novels that sort of thing. ( on a side note, i would like also to get some books on the soviet union on if it was degenerated workers state, or state capitalist, or bureaucratic collectivist, books that discuss those theories) however some are ebooks that you purchase but some people uploaded it to the internet and so i can read it that way. I can read it and copy and paste it onto a word document, and its legal? Would it be legal if i decided to download the pdf itself?

Thanks for the fast reply, btw.

Depends on what country. I don't think the FBI is going to come knocking on your door for downloading a few books lol. You can read, copy, paste it's completely legal. You download music don't you?

[Broletariat]

Why wouldn't it be legal? That would be like saying marxists.org is illegal because it has a ton of works that you're not paying for. If it's up there online for you to read in it's entirety, then you're not breaking a law by looking at it.


Because copy-right.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Why wouldn't it be legal? That would be like saying marxists.org is illegal because it has a ton of works that you're not paying for. If it's up there online for you to read in it's entirety, then you're not breaking a law by looking at it.
Like Broletariat said, you have to worry about copyrights. Copyrights protections expire after the time specified by whatever country you're in. Everything I've seen on Marxists.org has been in the public domain ... there may be some copyrighted stuff up there, but something tells me a Marxist wouldn't give a shit about copyrights.

Further info on copyright protection expirations in the US: http://copyright.cornell.edu/resources/publicdomain.cfm

[Savior]

That what i was thinking about, I know a majority of marxist works are i nthe public domain, and the copy right was my problem. Im against copyrights but i do have to worry since i live in the society i do. i do download music.

[xub3rn00dlex]

That what i was thinking about, I know a majority of marxist works are i nthe public domain, and the copy right was my problem. Im against copyrights but i do have to worry since i live in the society i do. i do download music.

Where do you live? And since you download music why give a shit about books? They're more likely to get your for music than for books as you're downloading more data.

[Apoi_Viitor]

1. They can't get you for downloading stuff if its not on a P2P network. 2. I have 11,000 books on my computer (all of which were downloaded from P2P networks) and I've never been sent a letter.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

If you want to use torrents, get Deluge (http://deluge-torrent.org/) and enable the blocklist, then change the address of the blocklist from "nipfilter" to "pipfilter" in the settings. And make sure it's set to autoupdate on startup, then update once daily. Then force an update.

[Savior]

Where do you get your books? *directed to the person with 11k books, and when you get those books can you put them in a word document to edit?. how percisely do torrents work? I downloaded Utorrent this morning, whats the opinon on that?. how do i protect myself from viruses from downloading torrents? and i got a pdf to word converter.

Thanks for the responses, keep em coming

[Robocommie]

1. They can't get you for downloading stuff if its not on a P2P network. 2. I have 11,000 books on my computer (all of which were downloaded from P2P networks) and I've never been sent a letter.

Wtf library man.

That's pretty awesome except I hate reading on my computer. Just not comfortable.

[Savior]

Wtf library man.

That's pretty awesome except I hate reading on my computer. Just not comfortable.

Thats why im getting a kindle, so i can transfer my files to it.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Where do you get your books? *directed to the person with 11k books, and when you get those books can you put them in a word document to edit?. how percisely do torrents work? I downloaded Utorrent this morning, whats the opinon on that?. how do i protect myself from viruses from downloading torrents? and i got a pdf to word converter.

Thanks for the responses, keep em coming

I use utorrent, have no regrets using it. Torrents are pretty safe so you should just be running your usual antivirus an you'll be fine.

[Savior]

theres some ebooks that you have to pay for. and i read them and it says that they use third party services to check piracy on torrenting sites. Should this worry me?

[xub3rn00dlex]

theres some ebooks that you have to pay for. and i read them and it says that they use third party services to check piracy on torrenting sites. Should this worry me?

Nope. Torrenting sites don't actually host the content, so the most they can do is alert the company that the site has links to the actual file. The company will send out a letter, and will receive a response back from the torrenting site something along the lines of "Go fuck yourself."

[Apoi_Viitor]

Where do you get your books? *directed to the person with 11k books, and when you get those books can you put them in a word document to edit?. how percisely do torrents work? I downloaded Utorrent this morning, whats the opinon on that?. how do i protect myself from viruses from downloading torrents? and i got a pdf to word converter.

Mostly Soulseek. But there are a few really good torrents on piratebay that have hundreds of books from university presses. An easy way to avoid viruses is to only download torrents from respected uploaders (those with colored skulls).

[Savior]

Mostly Soulseek. But there are a few really good torrents on piratebay that have hundreds of books from university presses. An easy way to avoid viruses is to only download torrents from respected uploaders (those with colored skulls).

Could you recommend some?

[Savior]

Nope. Torrenting sites don't actually host the content, so the most they can do is alert the company that the site has links to the actual file. The company will send out a letter, and will receive a response back from the torrenting site something along the lines of "Go fuck yourself."

what about Me downloading it? What could they do to me for downloading it?

[xub3rn00dlex]

what about Me downloading it? What could they do to me for downloading it?

Downloading something isn't illegal. You'll be fine, just follow the advice all the users gave you here. Keep your dl:ul ratio 1:1 and you're set. You already dl music so why you panicking so much :)

[Apoi_Viitor]

Downloading something isn't illegal.

In America (I'm going to assume that's where Savior lives, IIRC he didn't give an answer) it is.

But all you have to do is download Vuze and apply the IP Filter.

Furthermore, if you're downloading books you probably won't have to worry about getting caught since I'm fairly, fairly certain companies don't go after that stuff (doubt they have the resources, and e-book torrenting isn't that big). I believe they only really go after new movies, tv shows, games, and programs. And also, IIRC the RIAA stopped going after people.

A google search shows that the first ever case against pirating books was filed recently.

http://www.myce.com/news/book-publisher-john-wiley-sons-files-mass-bittorrent-lawsuit-53951/

[xub3rn00dlex]

In America (I'm going to assume that's where Savior lives, IIRC he didn't give an answer) it is.

But all you have to do is download Vuze and apply the IP Filter.

Furthermore, if you're downloading books you probably won't have to worry about getting caught since I'm fairly, fairly certain companies don't go after that stuff (doubt they have the resources, and e-book torrenting isn't that big). I believe they only really go after new movies, tv shows, games, and programs. And also, IIRC the RIAA stopped going after people.

A google search shows that the first ever case against pirating books was filed recently.

http://www.myce.com/news/book-publisher-john-wiley-sons-files-mass-bittorrent-lawsuit-53951/

In the US downloading is a very shady field, and it's not exactly clear whether downloading is illegal or not. Uploading is more of what you should be worried about. On that note, fuck ACTA.

[Savior]

In the US downloading is a very shady field, and it's not exactly clear whether downloading is illegal or not. Uploading is more of what you should be worried about. On that note, fuck ACTA.

ACTA?


In America (I'm going to assume that's where Savior lives, IIRC he didn't give an answer) it is.

But all you have to do is download Vuze and apply the IP Filter.

Furthermore, if you're downloading books you probably won't have to worry about getting caught since I'm fairly, fairly certain companies don't go after that stuff (doubt they have the resources, and e-book torrenting isn't that big). I believe they only really go after new movies, tv shows, games, and programs. And also, IIRC the RIAA stopped going after people.

A google search shows that the first ever case against pirating books was filed recently.

http://www.myce.com/news/book-publisher-john-wiley-sons-files-mass-bittorrent-lawsuit-53951/

Vuze? Is it better than utorrent? also, one of the books im looking at downloading would normally cost about sixty bucks if i paid for it. (its only available as an ebook). yeah, i live in the U.S, i know its different elsewhere.


Downloading something isn't illegal. You'll be fine, just follow the advice all the users gave you here. Keep your dl:ul ratio 1:1 and you're set. You already dl music so why you panicking so much :)

Well, ive never downloaded music from torrenting sites, ive had the hardest time figuring out how to make torrents work. I know now however. before i just get my music from youtube (Convert it to an mp3)

Thanks for the replies.

[xub3rn00dlex]

ACTA?


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement


Vuze? Is it better than utorrent? also, one of the books im looking at downloading would normally cost about sixty bucks if i paid for it. (its only available as an ebook). yeah, i live in the U.S, i know its different elsewhere.


it's really a matter of preference which client you use. Utorrent is small and compact but you can use either.



Well, ive never downloaded music from torrenting sites, ive had the hardest time figuring out how to make torrents work. I know now however. before i just get my music from youtube (Convert it to an mp3)

Thanks for the replies.

i see, i used to do that for music that was too hard to find on torrents. Don't worry so much about everything :)

[Thirsty Crow]

There are books i want to read, but dont feel like purchasing due to lack of funds. so i type the books name into google along with pdf and i can click o na link and read the pdf which is the whole book. Im not downloading it. Is this legal? Or ive heard of people copying and pasting it and putting it into a word document to read at another time. Is that legal?

Thanks.
Just screw any notions of legality when it comes to "intellectual" resources.
library.nu is your friend :)

[Apoi_Viitor]

Vuze? Is it better than utorrent?

For whatever reason, I've noticed it runs slightly slower than utorrent, but its very easy to install an ip filter plug in.

[Book O'Dead]

There are books i want to read, but dont feel like purchasing due to lack of funds. so i type the books name into google along with pdf and i can click o na link and read the pdf which is the whole book. Im not downloading it. Is this legal? Or ive heard of people copying and pasting it and putting it into a word document to read at another time. Is that legal?

Thanks.

Not only is it illegal but morally reprehensible and economically devastating to people like Bill Gates and Doanld Trump, who worked all their lives to get to where they are. It is a shameless assault on free enterprise and a threat to the free world as we know it.

To make things right, if that's at all possible, I suggest you e-mail all your best .pdf's to me and turn yourself in to the nearest policeman, you know, the one with large breasts sitting accross from you at the internet cafe...

[Savior]

Not only is it illegal but morally reprehensible and economically devastating to people like Bill Gates and Doanld Trump, who worked all their lives to get to where they are. It is a shameless assault on free enterprise and a threat to the free world as we know it.

To make things right, if that's at all possible, I suggest you e-mail all your best .pdf's to me and turn yourself in to the nearest policeman, you know, the one with large breasts sitting accross from you at the internet cafe...

Haha, Thanks for the replies. Feel better now

[tobbinator]

It's the internet....One does as One pleases.