Belarus holds 3 for throwing eggs at Lenin statue

[Apoi_Viitor]

http://arabnews.com/lifestyle/offbeat/article530748.ece

By REUTERS
Published: Nov 7, 2011 20:36 Updated: Nov 7, 2011 21:40
MINSK: Belarussian police detained three nationalist activists on Monday after they threw eggs at a statue of Communist leader Vladimir Lenin in the capital Minsk on the anniversary of the 1917 Russian revolution.

Three young men, members of the nationalist Young Front movement, shouted “Stop Communism” and “Put Communism on trial” as they threw eggs at the statue in the city center while Communists held a rally nearby.

A Reuters correspondent saw the men chased by police. They were then detained by plainclothes police and charged with hooliganism, the Front said.

Belarus is one of the few ex-Soviet states that still officially observes the anniversary of the Bolshevik revolution as a holiday. Public protests are rare under President Alexander Lukashenko, who tolerates little dissent.
Lukashenko congratulated his citizens on Monday on the anniversary of “Great October,” praising the Soviet revolution’s ideals such as “freeing the working class from exploitation.”

European countries have long criticized Belarus for allowing little political opposition under Lukashenko, in power since 1994.

Belarus is struggling to overcome a balance of payments crisis triggered by excessive government spending. Inflation in the country of 9.5 million is set to reach about 100 percent this year.

[Le Socialiste]

Belarus is one of the few ex-Soviet states that still officially observes the anniversary of the Bolshevik revolution as a holiday.

How many ex-Soviet states still observe the Bolshevik revolution? Just curious if anyone knows...


Lukashenko congratulated his citizens on Monday on the anniversary of “Great October,” praising the Soviet revolution’s ideals such as “freeing the working class from exploitation.”


:laugh:

[Susurrus]

How many ex-Soviet states still observe the Bolshevik revolution? Just curious if anyone knows...

More or less all of them to some degree, I believe. It was an official holiday during soviet times, and it just stuck.

[xub3rn00dlex]

To the gulags with these 3! :laugh:

Seriously: Is this crackdown because someone actually gives a fuck about the memory of the revolution or rather because Lukashenko said no-no?

[Veovis]

More or less all of them to some degree, I believe. It was an official holiday during soviet times, and it just stuck.

I'd imagine the Baltic states don't anymore. In fact, I'd venture to guess that observing the holiday is probably illegal.

[Commissar Rykov]

I'd imagine the Baltic states don't anymore. In fact, I'd venture to guess that observing the holiday is probably illegal.
Wouldn't be suprised since they have spent more time praising Hitler and raising memorials to the Waffen-SS.

[Smyg]

I'm divided. On one hand - crackdown on nationalists. On the other hand - leader worship and disallowing defiance against authorities.

[The Jay]

I'm divided. On one hand - crackdown on nationalists. On the other hand - leader worship and disallowing defiance against authorities.

I sympathize with your dilemma there; I think that they should be fined for defacing a national monument but jail time is a bit harsh.


Wouldn't be suprised since they have spent more time praising Hitler and raising memorials to the Waffen-SS.

Did you mean that literally? If so, could you share a source, not that I don't believe you. It's just really surprising.

[Commissar Rykov]

I sympathize with your dilemma there; I think that they should be fined for defacing a national monument but jail time is a bit harsh.



Did you mean that literally? If so, could you share a source, not that I don't believe you. It's just really surprising.
http://defendinghistory.com/waffen-ss-march-in-riga/376
This has articles by various newspapers and the like. I know Russia Today has covered the growing Nazism and assaults on Red Army Veterans in the Baltic States.

I found the RT article on one of the marches with video:
http://rt.com/news/riga-latvia-ss-march/

[OHumanista]

I'm divided. On one hand - crackdown on nationalists. On the other hand - leader worship and disallowing defiance against authorities.

Me too, Lukashenko is terrible but so are the people protesting...so just screw them all :D

[00000000000]

I concur with the previous comments. Any day that a nationalist gets locked up is a good day..however, the Belarus government is a horrid, tedious relic of authoritarianism and the reason these guys were locked up is absurd

rock me hard place

[Red Commissar]

How many ex-Soviet states still observe the Bolshevik revolution? Just curious if anyone knows...


More or less all of them to some degree, I believe. It was an official holiday during soviet times, and it just stuck.

Only Belarus officially commemorates it. Russia's government has another holiday in November- "Unity Day" or something that refers to a completely different event, it doesn't recognize November 7th. AFAIK none of the Central Asian or Caucasus republics observe it either.

Only two major events that were carried over from ye olde Soviet Union is May 1st, which isn't really unique to them anyways, and May 9th/Victory Day. I believe the Central Asian and Caucasus republics also observe those days, though the Baltic states do not observe May 9th/Victory Day.

[manic expression]

It's good to see that someone still defends the symbols of our movement.

And to think they apparently did it right in front of a communist demonstration...they were only interested in provocation.

[Jose Gracchus]

And Brezhnevites everywhere orgasm at the thought of bourgeois police power defending their sexual fetishes.

[tir1944]

Good job Belarus!
This really made my day.
:thumbup1:

[manic expression]

And Brezhnevites everywhere orgasm at the thought of bourgeois police power defending their sexual fetishes.
Troll bait, sure, but I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. If someone disagrees with the defacing of a statue of Lenin, a symbol of the communist movement, right in front of a communist demonstration, they have a "sexual fetish"? What sense does that make?

Regardless, very weird that it was the first thing to pop into your mind...

[ВАЛТЕР]

No jail time, should have just thrown them into the crowd of Communists and let nature take its course. :lol:

[tir1944]

The fact that such people get arrested in Belarus,while in Russia and Ukraine they're allowed to march around freely and kill immigrants should tell us something about the regime of the "last dictator of Europe".It's way more humane than "democracy" in Ukraine or the Putin regime in Russia.
:)

[Thirsty Crow]

The fact that such people get arrested in Belarus,while in Russia and Ukraine they're allowed to march around freely and kill immigrants should tell us something about the regime of the "last dictator of Europe".It's way more humane than "democracy" in Ukraine or the Putin regime in Russia.
:)
Not only is it more humane, but it's also a modified deformed workers' state. You can ask some participants in this thread about that.

[tir1944]

Not only is it more humane, but it's also a modified deformed workers' state.
IIRC,even Trotsky himself said that even a deformed(or was it "degenerated"?) worker's state should be defended against imperialism.
Therefore we have have to defend Belarus against EU and USA imperialism.

[Thirsty Crow]

IIRC,even Trotsky himself said that even a deformed(or was it "degenerated"?) worker's state should be defended against imperialism.
Therefore we have have to defend Belarus against EU and USA imperialism.
You're a funny guy :laugh:

But you're right. So, Belarus would represent a modified degenerated workers' state.
But I'll give you a hint: it's a bourgeois state.

[Rafiq]

Belarus isn't a "Deformed"(or both at once) worker's state (Unless Modified means something else, I don't know). It runs the capitalist mode of production and yes, sorry to break it to you, the bourgeoisie is still in power.

On another note, though, I don't see the negative part of jailing "nationalists" for throwing eggs at Lenin. The very fact that these are quasi fascists is qualifications for their arrest. Now I don't want to be one siding with the cops in Belarus or cooperating with them, but should they decide to take action against fascists I will remain silent, careless at that.

[manic expression]

Not only is it more humane, but it's also a modified deformed workers' state. You can ask some participants in this thread about that.
Still sore over a debate you lost some months back? :lol: Well, in a thread about eggs thrown at communism, we might as well have one poster who represents that dignified mode of politics.

[tir1944]

delete

[Jose Gracchus]

Troll bait, sure, but I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. If someone disagrees with the defacing of a statue of Lenin, a symbol of the communist movement, right in front of a communist demonstration, they have a "sexual fetish"? What sense does that make?

Regardless, very weird that it was the first thing to pop into your mind...

No, squealing with joy when bourgeois cops do you dirty work, that's a sexual fetish.

Belarus is a bourgeois nation-state, and has no pretense to anything else.

[Rafiq]

A "revolutionary marxist" who doesn't see anything wrong about people throwing eggs on a "revolutionary marxist symbol" on the anniversary of a "revolutionary marxist" revolution...and keep in mind that this "performance" is also a political statement in a situation where Belarus is under attack by imperialism.:laugh:
Well,maybe liberalism is right after all,i dunno...


Most likely,although it's a one opposing EU/US imperialism taking control of it.

You drunk? I said I don't see anything wrong with jailing them you babbling idiot

[tir1944]

Sorry,my mistake.
I deeply apologize for it.

[Sir Comradical]

And people say we don't need gulags...

:)

[xub3rn00dlex]

So while these guys get jailed in a bourgeiosie state for throwing eggs, which i assume won't carry a serious sentence ( i'm not weeping for them, let the pigs have them i'll stay silent. ) how would they have been handled in a communist state for the same acts? I think the fact that they're as rafiq said quasi fascists deserves to be addressed, but what if they weren't fascists?

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Bollocks, they threw some eggs at a statue. They deserve a certain amount of liberty, even if they are disagreeable characters.

The day they lay their hands on one of us, then they deserve what they get, but you can't go around arresting people purely on an ideological, biased basis. Nevermind the whole 'law and order' mantra, but common sense law dictates that this shouldn't be the case.

[manic expression]

No, squealing with joy when bourgeois cops do you dirty work, that's a sexual fetish.
Forgetting about the whole "bourgeois" claim for a second, how is it a sexual fetish?