Verdict in the Michael Jackson Case

[RED DAVE]

Guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

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[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

While I can see the arguments made by the prosecution I still think the verdict and even the crime that he was charged with was kind of bullshit. Michael Jackson was his patient, he, himself requested, specfically for Propofol to help him sleep and in that regard if Dr. Murray did commit a crime then Michael Jackson was complicit in said crime; both were at fault. Has anyone ever charged the drug dealer for the death of the drug addict? I think not and that is essentially the relationship MJ and Dr. Murray had. I think his medical license should be stripped however the charge and conviction of involuntary manslaughter seems a bit absurd. The case and MJ being his patient aside it seems sad considering with his other patients he was a very caring physician and would even treat people whom couldn't afford it and didn't have insurance.

[RedAnarchist]

Murray could never have had a fair trial, and the guilty verdict was sadly almost inevitable. I have no idea what risk he poses to the public, though. I watched the verdict on the BBC and the doughnut munchers couldn't wait to grab hold of Murray to lock him in handcuffs, could they? Practically jumped at him to restrain him.

This is just another case of a rich arsehole (who was twice accused of abusing children) with a drug addiction getting himself killed, and a normal, everyday doctor taking the blame for it. Jackson would have killed himself eventually via his drug addiction, it was only Murray's bad luck that he happened to be there at the time.

[Rusty Shackleford]

idgaf

[Iron Felix]

The verdict was decided before the trial began. This is the American "justice" system. First come up with a verdict and then create a justification for it. Pretty much how the Supreme Court works.

Anyways, Child molestor dead, asshole in prison. Favorable outcome.

[RED DAVE]

This is just another case of a rich arseholeMichael Jackson was an artist. Yes, he was rich, but he can't be put into the same category as, say, Steve Jobs or Donald Trump. I gather you don't like his music or videos.


(who was twice accused of abusing children)And was found innocent in the one trial he went through. The accusers in the earlier "case" admitted that the accusation was bullshit.


with a drug addictionLike millions of other Americans. including African-Americans.


getting himself killedHe was, basically, murdered by a neglectful, greedy doctor. You sure seem to be big on compassion.


and a normal, everyday doctor taking the blame for it.Murray was far from a "normal, everyday doctor." He was employed by Jackson for tens of thousands per month. His main job was to administer an extremely power anesthetic to Jackson who was an insomniac. He overdosed Jackson, was not present in the room when Jackson stopped breathing and delayed calling the paramedics. He tried to destroy evidence against him and tried to foist blame over first on Jackson then on Jackson's dermatologist.


Jackson would have killed himself eventually via his drug addictionYou don't know that. Again, your compassion is overwhelming.


it was only Murray's bad luck that he happened to be there at the time.See above as to Murray's direct culpability..

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Child molestor deadYou are full of shit.

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[RedAnarchist]

Michael Jackson was an artist. Yes, he was rich, but he can't be put into the same category as, say, Steve Jobs or Donald Trump.

Why not?


I gather you don't like his music or videos.

They're not my kind of music, no.


And was found innocent in the one trial he went through. The accusers in the earlier "case" admitted that the accusation was bullshit.

That's fair enough.


Like millions of other Americans. including African-Americans.

It's interesting that you bring up race - did you know that the jury had just one African-American member? The accused Dr Murray is African-American.


He was, basically, murdered by a neglectful, greedy doctor. You sure seem to be big on compassion.

You're assuming I lack compassion simply because I don't have compassion for one rich singer? Also, he wasn't "murdered" at all - even if Murray had caused his death, it was involuntary manslaughter. That's more like doing something reckless that causes a person's death. It's not like Murray shot or stabbed Jackson to death.


Murray was far from a "normal, everyday doctor." He was employed by Jackson for tens of thousands per month.

Fair enough.


His main job was to administer an extremely power anesthetic to Jackson who was an insomniac. He overdosed Jackson, was not present in the room when Jackson stopped breathing and delayed calling the paramedics.

He is a human being, and human beings make mistakes. Or should we arrest every doctor and nurse who has ever made a mistake that cost someone their life?


He tried to destroy evidence against him and tried to foist blame over first on Jackson then on Jackson's dermatologist.

Do you have a source for these claims?


You don't know that. Again, your compassion is overwhelming.

Jackson had a drug addiction. Drug addictions can be fatal. So, yes, I do know that.

I feel sorry that Jackson died so young, but this whole trial has been a media circus.

[Le Libérer]

Involuntary manslaughter? Those 2 words are contridictory as far as whether there was "guilt, beyond a reasonable doubt".

What was his sentence? I take it they havent set it yet?

I agree with RA by the way, it just seems like there was a lack of evidence, especially in light of "beyond a reasonable doubt" where other high profile murderers have walked away free.

[S.Artesian]

While I can see the arguments made by the prosecution I still think the verdict and even the crime that he was charged with was kind of bullshit. Michael Jackson was his patient, he, himself requested, specfically for Propofol to help him sleep and in that regard if Dr. Murray did commit a crime then Michael Jackson was complicit in said crime; both were at fault. Has anyone ever charged the drug dealer for the death of the drug addict? I think not and that is essentially the relationship MJ and Dr. Murray had. I think his medical license should be stripped however the charge and conviction of involuntary manslaughter seems a bit absurd. The case and MJ being his patient aside it seems sad considering with his other patients he was a very caring physician and would even treat people whom couldn't afford it and didn't have insurance.


Comrade, you need to know a bit more about the obligations a doctor has to his/her patient. Murray repeatedly, knowingly, brazenly violated those obligations causing the death of his patient.

A drug dealer's actions are by legal proscription, crimes. A doctor in violating his duty to his patient and causing that patient's death has committed a crime.

That's the difference. Doesn't matter what Michael Jackson wanted, no doctor should do what Murray did. Hell, if he were a drug dealer doing that he probably would have been convicted of murder.

[S.Artesian]

Murray could never have had a fair trial, and the guilty verdict was sadly almost inevitable. I have no idea what risk he poses to the public, though. I watched the verdict on the BBC and the doughnut munchers couldn't wait to grab hold of Murray to lock him in handcuffs, could they? Practically jumped at him to restrain him.

This is just another case of a rich arsehole (who was twice accused of abusing children) with a drug addiction getting himself killed, and a normal, everyday doctor taking the blame for it. Jackson would have killed himself eventually via his drug addiction, it was only Murray's bad luck that he happened to be there at the time.


You don't know what you are talking about. He's not a "normal, everyday doctor." He was payed $150,000 a month to provide drugs to Jackson "legally." The good doctor wasn't good, and certainly did not act as a doctor, but rather as a drug provider. Fuck him.

Whatever you think of Jackson is completely immaterial-- the fact is that this doctor committed criminal acts, costing the life of his patient, behind the cover of his medical license so he could get money.

[thefinalmarch]

Anyways, Child molestor dead, asshole in prison. Favorable outcome.
always good to know we have pseudo-communists supporting the bourgeois judicial system

[Os Cangaceiros]

*sigh* there are many, many things wrong with the legal system. However, I don't think that this particular case is especially emblematic of that.

For one, the jury foreman was married to a nurse, and had several family members in the medical field. That probably sealed Murray's fate a lot more than the fact that he was black.

Another thing is that there's a large chance that Murray won't even spend any of the potential 2-4 years in jail he may get. California's prisons are at a breaking point, with some 30,000 prisoners either released or transfered to small county jails recently, and involuntary manslaughter convictions aren't exactly a priority for imprisonment. He'll get his medical license revoked, and honestly I don't think that's entirely unjust, seeing his role as "celebrity doctor"/human prescription mill.

I've got nothing against the guy, he's probably alright, but really...he wasn't a "good doctor".

[Fawkes]

Has anyone ever charged the drug dealer for the death of the drug addict?

A person I knew had charges brought up against him for attempted murder after he sold shrooms to someone that tweaked out after taking them at school