Supporting Gay/Lesbian Marriage?

[Ernesto Che Makuc]

I didnt see a thread like this here on revleft so i thought that im going to make one.

The question is if you support gay/lesbian marriage?

i support them my self and i dont have nothing against people that are otherwise directed.


if you dont support them can you tell us why:



I also have a question that i need to get answered: why dont right-wingers support same sex marriage

[Kamos]

D'oh!

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

Every Communist should support the right for gay people to have fully equality, including in regards to marriage. That's what's so strange about "Communists" who run around praising proto-fascists like Gaddafi or Mugabe who think that homosexuality was a foreign invention designed to pollute their pure societies, and who lead countries where homosexuals are thrown into prison. There were Communists during the Cold War who thought similarly, but they had merely internalized the reactionary politics of their respective societies and/or Stalin's Comintern. However, this is 2011, the Bolsheviks under Lenin legalized homosexuality 90 years ago so it's high time for every socialist who hasn't done so yet to abandon Stalinist anti-homosexual bigotry. People should fight homophobia both at home and internationally just as much as they oppose sexism and racism.

[W1N5T0N]

What about polyamourous marriages?

[ВАЛТЕР]

I feel that people should marry whoever they feel like and as long as it is not harming anybody then it's whatever as far as I'm concerned. I've got my own problems to worry about. Let people do as they please as long as it does not negatively effect me.

[Nox]

I answered no, simply because I'm opposed to marriage as a whole.

If the question was 'Do you support equal marriage rights for gays/lesbians?' then my answer would have been yes.

[W1N5T0N]

well, you cant harm anybody by marrying a consenting adult, i guess.

unless you are a racist bigot misanthrope, i assume.

[Tim Cornelis]

What about polyamourous marriages?

Why not?

[Yugo45]

lol, obviously everyone will answer with 'Yes'. If you don't, then you shouldn't be on this website, tbh.

Unless it was Opposing Ideologies..

[ComradeNarwhal]

I support it; though, isn't marriage a religious ceremony? Most people that I know claim that "homosexuals should not be able to marry because it is a religious ceremony, and religion opposes it", shit like that.
I hardly have little respect for religion and don't care, heck, maybe even oppose the idea of marriage..

[Ernesto Che Makuc]

95 % ganging on 4%

[Ernesto Che Makuc]

I answered no, simply because I'm opposed to marriage as a whole.

If the question was 'Do you support equal marriage rights for gays/lesbians?' then my answer would have been yes.

You are an atheist,anarchist,communist and you clicked no im disappointed

[Queercommie Girl]

As communists we don't necessarily support the bourgeois and often religious institutions of marriage intrinsically. But we must support same-sex marriage as well as equal marriage rights for all transgendered people because it is an important part of LGBT rights activism at the moment.

[Iron Felix]

I support it; though, isn't marriage a religious ceremony? Most people that I know claim that "homosexuals should not be able to marry because it is a religious ceremony, and religion opposes it", shit like that.
I hardly have little respect for religion and don't care, heck, maybe even oppose the idea of marriage..
Marriage is a social contract. Monogamy wasn't even the norm in for example pre-Hellenic Greece, and even there the institution developed independently of religion, used to turn the Matriarchal society into a Patriarchal one. Not a religious contract, but a social one.

I voted No as I don't support any sort of marriage.

[socialistjustin]

Ew, hell no. Two men kissing is against what God said.


Since some people don't get my sarcasm, the above was sarcasm. Of course I support equal rights for all people, including the LGBT community.

[Azraella]

What I have a problem with is the focus on marriage. Gay marriage will not end HIV/AIDS. HIV/AIDS is not strictly the problem of queer people; we are affected, but so too are people in poverty and people of color. Gay marriage will do nothing for low-income heterosexual women of color, who face one of the greatest risks for contracting HIV/AIDS.

Second, gay marriage is not by any means inclusive of the entire LGBTQIA+ community. Not everyone wants to get married, and not everyone can get married. It does nothing for polyamorous people, or people who would prefer not to get married. It does nothing for single people. There are a lot of rights and privileges that queer people don't have that do come with marriage, but that's true of all single people. So the way to reform that is not to grant LGB people marriage (because you know it's still going to be problematic for trans*, genderqueer, intersex, and queer folks) but to make marriage/singledom themselves less problematic.

Also, if we're really talking about equality here, marriage isn't the problem or the solution. Socioeconomic equality is. Marriage might help, but there are a hell of a lot of other things (equal wages, access to quality education and health care, and much much else) that would make a bigger difference in creating TRUE equality for queer people (and straight people).

I've never considered marriage because the monogamous dyad, as sealed by marriage, is a tool to subjugate women to men and lovers to capitalism. There are other tools but this is one of them. I'm anti-marriage, and so I'm also anti-civil-partnership. I'm not anti-marrieds, however. I'm against the cultural forces that shape marriage to be what it is, and are looking to shape the relationships of queer people to be the same - neat, capitalist units of consumption under patriarchy. I see civil partnership as a tool of assimilation, and that assimilation is into a culture which is warped. I don't want to be a member*.

I understand that the campaign for marriage equality is a campaign for something which is sincerely wanted by many queer folks, and so I'm not directly against their campaign, but I wish they'd put their energy into other things. I find the triumphalism of "gay marriage" victories quite painful - yey, we're one step closer to being part of fucked-up mainstream society! I also recognize that they might be right and I might be wrong, but at the moment the reasons I have feel very clear to me.

I just know that marriage, as it's constructed now, doesn't feel to me as if it's a tool for liberation, and we need so much liberation. I don't know if a structure like marriage would naturally emerge in a liberated world, because it's almost impossible to imagine that world from the bottom of this patriarchal, cissexist, capitalist pit. I wonder if, if it did, it would look more like 'a year and a day' handfastings rather than 'death do us part'.

*Yes, I'm married... but because of legal reasons involving my husband's mental health and our... lifestyle. But that sums up my opinions. I'm curious to see if I can find alternatives to my predicament.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

I believe that rights and privileges should ultimately be detached from the concept of marriage, so that family relationships are defined by the people in them, but as long as we have state-sanctioned marriages, LGBT people should have equal access.

[Fawkes]

What I have a problem with is the focus on marriage. Gay marriage will not end HIV/AIDS. HIV/AIDS is not strictly the problem of queer people; we are affected, but so too are people in poverty and people of color. Gay marriage will do nothing for low-income heterosexual women of color, who face one of the greatest risks for contracting HIV/AIDS.

Second, gay marriage is not by any means inclusive of the entire LGBTQIA+ community. Not everyone wants to get married, and not everyone can get married. It does nothing for polyamorous people, or people who would prefer not to get married. It does nothing for single people. There are a lot of rights and privileges that queer people don't have that do come with marriage, but that's true of all single people. So the way to reform that is not to grant LGB people marriage (because you know it's still going to be problematic for trans*, genderqueer, intersex, and queer folks) but to make marriage/singledom themselves less problematic.

Also, if we're really talking about equality here, marriage isn't the problem or the solution. Socioeconomic equality is. Marriage might help, but there are a hell of a lot of other things (equal wages, access to quality education and health care, and much much else) that would make a bigger difference in creating TRUE equality for queer people (and straight people).

I've never considered marriage because the monogamous dyad, as sealed by marriage, is a tool to subjugate women to men and lovers to capitalism. There are other tools but this is one of them. I'm anti-marriage, and so I'm also anti-civil-partnership. I'm not anti-marrieds, however. I'm against the cultural forces that shape marriage to be what it is, and are looking to shape the relationships of queer people to be the same - neat, capitalist units of consumption under patriarchy. I see civil partnership as a tool of assimilation, and that assimilation is into a culture which is warped. I don't want to be a member*.

I understand that the campaign for marriage equality is a campaign for something which is sincerely wanted by many queer folks, and so I'm not directly against their campaign, but I wish they'd put their energy into other things. I find the triumphalism of "gay marriage" victories quite painful - yey, we're one step closer to being part of fucked-up mainstream society! I also recognize that they might be right and I might be wrong, but at the moment the reasons I have feel very clear to me.

I just know that marriage, as it's constructed now, doesn't feel to me as if it's a tool for liberation, and we need so much liberation. I don't know if a structure like marriage would naturally emerge in a liberated world, because it's almost impossible to imagine that world from the bottom of this patriarchal, cissexist, capitalist pit. I wonder if, if it did, it would look more like 'a year and a day' handfastings rather than 'death do us part'.

*Yes, I'm married... but because of legal reasons involving my husband's mental health and our... lifestyle. But that sums up my opinions. I'm curious to see if I can find alternatives to my predicament.

This. I'm glad now that I don't have to spend the next couple minutes writing out a long post explaining my position because you literally said it perfectly.

[roy]

I support it; though, isn't marriage a religious ceremony? Most people that I know claim that "homosexuals should not be able to marry because it is a religious ceremony, and religion opposes it", shit like that.
I hardly have little respect for religion and don't care, heck, maybe even oppose the idea of marriage..

I find that a lot of Christians make that argument. They don't seem to understand that marriage pre-dates Christianity and that not all religions have the same values. (I'm not saying all Christians are like this).

Mateship of one form or another has been around longer than religion.

Of course, it's not much of an argument. Religion is just about belief, and who's to say that one person's beliefs are more important than any other's?

[Boothe]

I support full equal rights for the LGBT community because I see it as a matter of freedom to pursue happiness in one's own life. It is not the business of anyone outside of the couple involved and should be treated accordingly.

[Revy]

What I have a problem with is the focus on marriage. Gay marriage will not end HIV/AIDS. HIV/AIDS is not strictly the problem of queer people; we are affected, but so too are people in poverty and people of color. Gay marriage will do nothing for low-income heterosexual women of color, who face one of the greatest risks for contracting HIV/AIDS.

Second, gay marriage is not by any means inclusive of the entire LGBTQIA+ community. Not everyone wants to get married, and not everyone can get married. It does nothing for polyamorous people, or people who would prefer not to get married. It does nothing for single people. There are a lot of rights and privileges that queer people don't have that do come with marriage, but that's true of all single people. So the way to reform that is not to grant LGB people marriage (because you know it's still going to be problematic for trans*, genderqueer, intersex, and queer folks) but to make marriage/singledom themselves less problematic.

Also, if we're really talking about equality here, marriage isn't the problem or the solution. Socioeconomic equality is. Marriage might help, but there are a hell of a lot of other things (equal wages, access to quality education and health care, and much much else) that would make a bigger difference in creating TRUE equality for queer people (and straight people).

I've never considered marriage because the monogamous dyad, as sealed by marriage, is a tool to subjugate women to men and lovers to capitalism. There are other tools but this is one of them. I'm anti-marriage, and so I'm also anti-civil-partnership. I'm not anti-marrieds, however. I'm against the cultural forces that shape marriage to be what it is, and are looking to shape the relationships of queer people to be the same - neat, capitalist units of consumption under patriarchy. I see civil partnership as a tool of assimilation, and that assimilation is into a culture which is warped. I don't want to be a member*.

I understand that the campaign for marriage equality is a campaign for something which is sincerely wanted by many queer folks, and so I'm not directly against their campaign, but I wish they'd put their energy into other things. I find the triumphalism of "gay marriage" victories quite painful - yey, we're one step closer to being part of fucked-up mainstream society! I also recognize that they might be right and I might be wrong, but at the moment the reasons I have feel very clear to me.

I just know that marriage, as it's constructed now, doesn't feel to me as if it's a tool for liberation, and we need so much liberation. I don't know if a structure like marriage would naturally emerge in a liberated world, because it's almost impossible to imagine that world from the bottom of this patriarchal, cissexist, capitalist pit. I wonder if, if it did, it would look more like 'a year and a day' handfastings rather than 'death do us part'.

*Yes, I'm married... but because of legal reasons involving my husband's mental health and our... lifestyle. But that sums up my opinions. I'm curious to see if I can find alternatives to my predicament.

Gay people are fighting for legal equality. I don't know why even anti-marriage (a silly position, as if marriage was oppressive anymore?) leftists can't appreciate that. The legalization of interracial marriage was a positive development in equality and freedom of interracial couples, the same is true of gay marriage and the LGBT community.

[NewLeft]

I voted no, because gay marriage is giving special rights to gays. I believe in equality, which means that no one regardless of gay or straight has special rights. If gays want to get married then they can marry the opposite sex.

(I should run for Miss America)

[pastradamus]

If gays want to get married then they can marry the opposite sex.
(I should run for Miss America)

That would defeat the purpose of being gay.

[Azraella]

Gay people are fighting for legal equality. I don't know why even anti-marriage (a silly position, as if marriage was oppressive anymore?) leftists can't appreciate that. The legalization of interracial marriage was a positive development in equality and freedom of interracial couples, the same is true of gay marriage and the LGBT community.
Except... I don't see why I require the state in the first place to get together with the person I love. I do not require permission from anyone to marry another female or a gender queer. Also it might be a positive step, but it's a really small one. I should also note that I do see marriage as it is now as a form of social bondage. There are some serious cultural issues with it.

[NewLeft]

That would defeat the purpose of being gay.

I am closeted, why should only those who are out have rights!

[Azraella]

I am closeted, why should only those who are out have rights!


What a fucking ridiculous argument.

Edit: I'm a closet pandemisexual should I deny rights to others because I benefit from heterosexual privilege? No. Try again.

Edit edit: I missed the point of the sarcasm. >.> I suck.