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Bud Struggle
4th November 2011, 22:30
It seems from the chards of the Evil Empire--Poland unlike some of it's former Communist neighbors is doing quite well.

The country has benefited from its accession to the European Union and globalization more than almost any other. Twenty years ago, the deeply Catholic country was largely agricultural and considered backward and provincial, a millstone around Europe's neck. Since then, however, Poland has experienced an almost nonstop boom.

Even when the rest of Europe was suffering through a recession in 2009, Poland's economy grew by 1.7 percent. Thanks to its accession to the EU in 2004, unemployment fell from more than 20 percent to about 8 percent today.

The boom has been most evident in the cities. Warsaw and Poznan, for example, have full employment. According to surveys, Poles are among Europe's most optimistic people. They have never had it as good as they do today.

Warsaw is also at peace with itself politically. Prime Minister Donald Tusk runs the government with a stabile majority, while nationalist extremists on the left and right are no longer represented in Poland's parliament, the Sejm. Poland is now on excellent terms with Berlin and has toned down its rhetoric toward Moscow; the country is also no longer seen as an unpredictable obstructionist in Brussels. Almost a quarter century after the collapse of the Soviet bloc, the country of 38 million has become a respected regional power.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,747244,00.html

Way to go!

ComradeMan
4th November 2011, 22:34
Myślenie o historii Polska ... rzeczy może być tylko lepiej .....:crying:

RGacky3
5th November 2011, 08:42
Yup Way to go, Poland, unlike other countries was much more careful with privitization, keeping many of the large industries socialized. I think thats one reason it handled the recession better than many of its former USSR neighbors. Right now its unemployment is a problem though. But their post 1990 experience was certainly better than most post USSR states.

BTW, polish people still come to western europe to work, thats not a point, its just how whenever people talk about Cubas success, people say "oh yeah, then why are they comming to America," its a stupid argument and could be applied to poland as well.

Nox
5th November 2011, 10:54
That's because:

- They have lots of natural resources
- They have lots of arable land
- They didn't instantly privatise everything (that's what sets it apart from Russia)

Bud Struggle
5th November 2011, 12:09
I agree with slow privatization. There was no need for Russia to jump into that so fast. I think Poland sets up a nice example of what a European, or any country should look for. A reasonable social envelope in which a strong private sector can flurish.

Robert
5th November 2011, 17:47
Poland produced the pianist and composer Frédéric Chopin, who gave up the ghost in 1848, the same year Marx moved to London.

America produced the pianist and composer Jerry Lee Lewis.

Great balls of fire.

The Jay
5th November 2011, 17:51
Poland produced the pianist and composer Frédéric Chopin, who gave up the ghost in 1848, the same year Marx moved to London.

America produced the pianist and composer Jerry Lee Lewis.

Great balls of fire.

I have no idea what you're getting at :confused:.

Robert
5th November 2011, 17:53
It's just a self-deprecating (I'm American) joke about the cultural superiority of Poland in the 19th century.

I like Chopin and Jerry Lee Lewis. Though Chopin was eggs benedict, caviar and champagne; Jerry Lee was sardines, vienna sausage, and saltine crackers.

tir1944
5th November 2011, 18:07
Eh.
The fact that Chopin was from Poland doesn't mean that it wasn't a backwards, primitive country (actually a part of the Russian Empire back then).

Bud Struggle
5th November 2011, 18:57
Eh.
The fact that Chopin was from Poland doesn't mean that it wasn't a backwards, primitive country (actually a part of the Russian Empire back then).It was a part of the Russian Empire until 20 years ago.

Sputnik_1
5th November 2011, 19:18
I dunno which polish would be those "benefitting" and how polish would be the most optimistic :/ at least none of those that i know...

Sputnik_1
5th November 2011, 19:21
Myślenie o historii Polska ... rzeczy może być tylko lepiej .....:crying:

google translator is not being very helpful, i'm afraid

xub3rn00dlex
5th November 2011, 19:27
As is always the case with the capitalism you so cherish, you have those who benefit ( those who were already well off under the ussr ) and those who weep - the poor polish working class. You claim polish people are much better off now, and although that may be true, you fail to realize that the living and healthcare costs in poland have gone uP while the working class has become poorer and poorer.