cynicism/nihilism

[black magick hustla]

i felt really cynical since i was a teenager. not necessarily depressed, just skeptical in general about the validity of things and the role people play in things. like every time someone big dies or something and i see everyone mourning i feel like an outcast. or when someone respect a lot another person and hail them as the next best thing to fuckin bread i feel like an outcast. i don't see why i should think someone's shit is gold or their authority is legitimate when i only see a man who will turn into dust like myself. Same civilization and like the things and little rituals we do because we are domesticated monkeys. like relationships. i been dating casually a girl for the last few months and i am pretty bad at relationships because i never got why cheating is such a big deal. like people talk about cheating like it is some unspeakable sin or something.

i sit in physics talks and all my colleagues talk about this scientists as if they are this fuckin gods among men. to me they are just dudes with an interesting hobby and that are skillfull at numbers. just fuckin men, like everyone else. i dont find them particularly admirable. or when like some leftist muppet talks about some leftsit intellectual like zizek or some boring revolutionary scholar or whatever and i just want to sleep and shit on all academia.

i don't know. i felt like this since the days i stopped believing in god really. this is cliche or whatever, but i just feel down to destroy everything. i find more enjoyable in deconstructing and turning this world upside down than trying to make any peace with it. i don't feel this world was made for myself and therefore i am committed in seeing it go down. i dont think this world was made for anybody really, its just that people tend to make peace with it. i don't. i always hated this world since the days i can remember. maybe not in a depressed way, but i wouldnt mind seeing it go aflame. i wouldnt mind seeing the louvre and the universities go aflame. fuckin turn the mosques into naked nightclubs and pubs. i guess why i am attracted to insurrecto sloganeering sometimes. these motherfuckers think of themselves as part of a civil war, and that their enemy is the whole existent. "at daggers drawn with the existent" this is how i felt since i can remember.

idk sorry for the rambling just felt weird about it today

[promethean]

i felt really cynical since i was a teenager. not necessarily depressed, just skeptical in general about the validity of things and the role people play in things. like every time someone big dies or something and i see everyone mourning i feel like an outcast. or when someone respect a lot another person and hail them as the next best thing to fuckin bread i feel like an outcast. i don't see why i should think someone's shit is gold or their authority is legitimate when i only see a man who will turn into dust like myself. Same civilization and like the things and little rituals we do because we are domesticated monkeys. like relationships. i been dating casually a girl for the last few months and i am pretty bad at relationships because i never got why cheating is such a big deal. like people talk about cheating like it is some unspeakable sin or something.

i sit in physics talks and all my colleagues talk about this scientists as if they are this fuckin gods among men. to me they are just dudes with an interesting hobby and that are skillfull at numbers. just fuckin men, like everyone else. i dont find them particularly admirable. or when like some leftist muppet talks about some leftsit intellectual like zizek or some boring revolutionary scholar or whatever and i just want to sleep and shit on all academia.

i don't know. i felt like this since the days i stopped believing in god really. this is cliche or whatever, but i just feel down to destroy everything. i find more enjoyable in deconstructing and turning this world upside down than trying to make any peace with it. i don't feel this world was made for myself and therefore i am committed in seeing it go down. i dont think this world was made for anybody really, its just that people tend to make peace with it. i don't. i always hated this world since the days i can remember. maybe not in a depressed way, but i wouldnt mind seeing it go aflame. i wouldnt mind seeing the louvre and the universities go aflame. fuckin turn the mosques into naked nightclubs and pubs. i guess why i am attracted to insurrecto sloganeering sometimes. these motherfuckers think of themselves as part of a civil war, and that their enemy is the whole existent. "at daggers drawn with the existent" this is how i felt since i can remember.

idk sorry for the rambling just felt weird about it today
Ever considered getting psychiatric help?

[The Jay]

I understand except I was diagnosed with major depression, maybe you can get checked out too. Group therapy rocks.

[black magick hustla]

Ever considered getting psychiatric help?

im not a sociopath though. i do care for other people

[o well this is ok I guess]

i guess why i am attracted to insurrecto sloganeering sometimes. these motherfuckers think of themselves as part of a civil war, and that their enemy is the whole existent. "at daggers drawn with the existent" this is how i felt since i can remember. They don't feel part of the civil war, man.
gotta choose your side, bro.

Commune life is actually pretty neat.

[black magick hustla]

I understand except I was diagnosed with major depression, maybe you can get checked out too. Group therapy rocks.

i dont think i am depressed though. i am actually pretty happy with my life right now.

[black magick hustla]

Commune life is actually pretty neat.

depends, if you live in a goat farm in bumfuck nowhere like the invisible committee then it blows

[black magick hustla]

also i guess i am a communist because the best days in my life was when i shared my food and booze and chilled all day and did nothing. not when i was doing what i expected to do. i want to chill in a long weekend where there are no borders and we are all one big brotherhood and nobody is sacred

[o well this is ok I guess]

depends, if you live in a goat farm in bumfuck nowhere like the invisible committee then it blows Aw Tarnac isn't that bad a place

Besides, it's not the location, it's the community!

[tir1944]

Have you ever though of joining the Rural People's Party instead?
:laugh:

[promethean]

im not a sociopath though. i do care for other peopleAs did the leader of People's Temple, Jim Jones.:lol:


also i guess i am a communist because the best days in my life was when i shared my food and booze and chilled all day and did nothing. not when i was doing what i expected to do. i want to chill in a long weekend where there are no borders and we are all one big brotherhood and nobody is sacredThis is indicative of your nihilistic attitude show that you have a pretty good chance of emulating the great people's leader, Jim Jones.:crying:

[Magón]

I think it would be funny to see Black Magick Hustla become the next Jim Jones. But from what posts he's made on here, I doubt it'll come true and we'll be seeing him on the news being called the "Second coming of Jim Jones", though that would be funny. All I can say, is he sounds like your typical cynical nihilist to some degree.

[The Jay]

Look into existentialism. It helped me to construct a working (for now) moral framework that lets you get around a lot of the problems in nihilism, while accepting a lot of it's premises. Try sartre or someone along those lines. Just a suggestion from a humble physics major. PHYSICS POWER! Seriously though, it helped me.

[Art Vandelay]

i felt really cynical since i was a teenager. not necessarily depressed, just skeptical in general about the validity of things and the role people play in things. like every time someone big dies or something and i see everyone mourning i feel like an outcast. or when someone respect a lot another person and hail them as the next best thing to fuckin bread i feel like an outcast. i don't see why i should think someone's shit is gold or their authority is legitimate when i only see a man who will turn into dust like myself. Same civilization and like the things and little rituals we do because we are domesticated monkeys. like relationships. i been dating casually a girl for the last few months and i am pretty bad at relationships because i never got why cheating is such a big deal. like people talk about cheating like it is some unspeakable sin or something.

i sit in physics talks and all my colleagues talk about this scientists as if they are this fuckin gods among men. to me they are just dudes with an interesting hobby and that are skillfull at numbers. just fuckin men, like everyone else. i dont find them particularly admirable. or when like some leftist muppet talks about some leftsit intellectual like zizek or some boring revolutionary scholar or whatever and i just want to sleep and shit on all academia.

i don't know. i felt like this since the days i stopped believing in god really. this is cliche or whatever, but i just feel down to destroy everything. i find more enjoyable in deconstructing and turning this world upside down than trying to make any peace with it. i don't feel this world was made for myself and therefore i am committed in seeing it go down. i dont think this world was made for anybody really, its just that people tend to make peace with it. i don't. i always hated this world since the days i can remember. maybe not in a depressed way, but i wouldnt mind seeing it go aflame. i wouldnt mind seeing the louvre and the universities go aflame. fuckin turn the mosques into naked nightclubs and pubs. i guess why i am attracted to insurrecto sloganeering sometimes. these motherfuckers think of themselves as part of a civil war, and that their enemy is the whole existent. "at daggers drawn with the existent" this is how i felt since i can remember.

idk sorry for the rambling just felt weird about it today

While I probably can not help much I can relate to this alot. I got into nihilism for about a year and I do not think it is any coincidence that I fell into a depression. Not that I am denying the validity of much of the movement but that really it left me with no hope for anything. Eventually its been my belief in change that has taken over, it really is a fucked up world we live in, one that I will never understand and the people in it will never understand me, but I truly believe one day that the type of change we all want to see will happen. And I am becoming more and more convinced I may still be alive and kicking when that day comes.

As for getting through the days, there are times when I resort to smoking pot or drinking, but having someone else to talk to with the same perspective can help alot too.

[ВАЛТЕР]

"some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."

This post made me think of that quote...

Also, sometimes I get that way too like I just want everything to crash and burn to the ground.

[Rafiq]

Being Cynical is an absolute necessity as a communust in today's society. We are revolutionaries, not asslickers.

[bcbm]

the world is doomed, don't sweat it. civil war remains necessary to take control over dwindling resources to save more than just the super rich tho

[Art Vandelay]

I definitively can appeal to the destruction part as well, which I think is the reasoning for the insurrection tendencies in me. Even though I do not think going around vandalizing will solve any of a problems and I get that it could potentially ostracize militants from the working class but fuck I hate walking down the street seeing how they have managed to put a $ on everything in this world. It boils my blood to the point I want to just riot.

[Decolonize The Left]

i felt really cynical since i was a teenager. not necessarily depressed, just skeptical in general about the validity of things and the role people play in things. like every time someone big dies or something and i see everyone mourning i feel like an outcast. or when someone respect a lot another person and hail them as the next best thing to fuckin bread i feel like an outcast. i don't see why i should think someone's shit is gold or their authority is legitimate when i only see a man who will turn into dust like myself. Same civilization and like the things and little rituals we do because we are domesticated monkeys. like relationships. i been dating casually a girl for the last few months and i am pretty bad at relationships because i never got why cheating is such a big deal. like people talk about cheating like it is some unspeakable sin or something.

You are an outcast, although the better term would be "outsider." (Check out The Outsider By C. Wilson). Simply by maintaining your perspective, which is contrary to that of the mainstream, you are dooming yourself to a future of emotional and psychological conflict as you attempt to make cohesive that which is fundamentally divergent.

As for relationships, you shouldn't cheat on your partner because when you enter into a relationship with them you are effectively making a commitment to them and you would be irresponsible if you should break that commitment. That is, of course, unless you discuss the whole thing beforehand.


i sit in physics talks and all my colleagues talk about this scientists as if they are this fuckin gods among men. to me they are just dudes with an interesting hobby and that are skillfull at numbers. just fuckin men, like everyone else. i dont find them particularly admirable. or when like some leftist muppet talks about some leftsit intellectual like zizek or some boring revolutionary scholar or whatever and i just want to sleep and shit on all academia.

But this is not their fault. They are taught to idolize these people and then guide their own personal creative efforts in a similar fashion in order to achieve acclaim. This acclaim is of course in the end a bunch of crap as it doesn't involve a personal overcoming of oneself but a feeble sense of recognition from outside.


i don't know. i felt like this since the days i stopped believing in god really. this is cliche or whatever, but i just feel down to destroy everything. i find more enjoyable in deconstructing and turning this world upside down than trying to make any peace with it. i don't feel this world was made for myself and therefore i am committed in seeing it go down. i dont think this world was made for anybody really, its just that people tend to make peace with it. i don't. i always hated this world since the days i can remember. maybe not in a depressed way, but i wouldnt mind seeing it go aflame. i wouldnt mind seeing the louvre and the universities go aflame. fuckin turn the mosques into naked nightclubs and pubs. i guess why i am attracted to insurrecto sloganeering sometimes. these motherfuckers think of themselves as part of a civil war, and that their enemy is the whole existent. "at daggers drawn with the existent" this is how i felt since i can remember.

Well when you lose god as a sense of meaning it leaves a great hole in your psychological framework of understanding. So I understand why things seem like shit afterwards, they have lost their gold leaf coating. The coating, as you know, was a bunch of bullshit but religion is extremely effective at making bullshit seem tasty.

And fuck you for wanting to destroy the Louvre, or libraries for that matter. I'm all down for burning shit that's oppressive and destroying in order to rebuild but we're talking about the creative expression and intellectual development of centuries that you wanna destroy because you're pissed? No thanks man.
The library of Alexandria was burned for similar reasons and it probably set humanity back ages. And don't misunderstand my point here, I get the frustration and angst of living inside and outside of modern society at the same time. I get it. And I'm also not all technocratic and jacking off at the possibilities of humanity's future. But creative works do not need to be lumped in with modern decadence just because they charge a fee to get it to see it.

Finally, you probably need to create something of your own for yourself. I don't know what you do with your time but until you find something creative that matters to you simply because you're making it, you're time on this planet will seem less meaningful by the day.

- August

[black magick hustla]

As for relationships, you shouldn't cheat on your partner because when you enter into a relationship with them you are effectively making a commitment to them and you would be irresponsible if you should break that commitment. That is, of course, unless you discuss the whole thing beforehand.


we have a different arrangement, so that is not a problem. what i meant is that people make a huuuuuge deal about it. like people write drama books of people cheating to each other and then people killing each other because of that. its fucking weird,




And fuck you for wanting to destroy the Louvre, or libraries for that matter. I'm all down for burning shit that's oppressive and destroying in order to rebuild but we're talking about the creative expression and intellectual development of centuries that you wanna destroy because you're pissed? No thanks man.


idk, it was more of a hyperbolic expression really. anyhow, if the louvre went aflame i dont think it would change many peoples lives at all. i dont get this fetish of culture from the so caled "progressives" or whatever.





Finally, you probably need to create something of your own for yourself. I don't know what you do with your time but until you find something creative that matters to you simply because you're making it, you're time on this planet will seem less meaningful by the day.

- August

i write fiction, poetry, and engage in mentally stimulating theoretical research. i do plenty of creative things, and i like them. i never said i hated my life.

[The Douche]

This post makes it look like I hacked your account.

[Comrade J]

You may find this interesting -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie

[eyedrop]

While your post came very close to my own thoughts I wanted to comment on this. I completely adore the purposelessness of everything.
i sit in physics talks and all my colleagues talk about this scientists as if they are this fuckin gods among men. to me they are just dudes with an interesting hobby and that are skillfull at numbers. just fuckin men, like everyone else. i dont find them particularly admirable. or when like some leftist muppet talks about some leftsit intellectual like zizek or some boring revolutionary scholar or whatever and i just want to sleep and shit on all academia.

This seems to me to be the only conclusion a 'leftist', who believes in his own abilities, can make.

You certainly know that you could have done the same as them, it wasn't anything magical about them. Here a rightwinger would stop and think that they are among the best humans, while a 'leftist' knows that the rest of the people seems so shitty compared to the 'greats' because they are shitty unrealized humans since capitalism hasn't nurtured them to become more than trash.

So Mr. Great aren't necessarily more great than the ditchdigger over there and thus not worthy of worship.


Besides a good physicist can't worship the old ones, only a mediocre one can.

[the last donut of the night]

also i guess i am a communist because the best days in my life was when i shared my food and booze and chilled all day and did nothing. not when i was doing what i expected to do. i want to chill in a long weekend where there are no borders and we are all one big brotherhood and nobody is sacred

i resonate with this because i kinda see communism in a pretty utopian-emotional way, i guess. communism to me represents that feeling when you get up on a summer morning, call over your buddies, have a wake and bake, and spend the next week at the beach just chilling. is that so much to want? humans are animals -- we want the easy life. it's annoying how so many communist fucktards still think that socialism's all about this stoic proletarian ethos. fuck that. if i could have it my way, i'd engineer a world where there was no work, free access to all possible knowledge and fast food that tasted like the real stuff but wasn't extremely unhealthy

[The Douche]

i resonate with this because i kinda see communism in a pretty utopian-emotional way, i guess. communism to me represents that feeling when you get up on a summer morning, call over your buddies, have a wake and bake, and spend the next week at the beach just chilling. is that so much to want? humans are animals -- we want the easy life. it's annoying how so many communist fucktards still think that socialism's all about this stoic proletarian ethos. fuck that. if i could have it my way, i'd engineer a world where there was no work, free access to all possible knowledge and fast food that tasted like the real stuff but wasn't extremely unhealthy

I believe this is what Tiqqun takes hundreds of pages to call "communization".

[heyjoe]

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[Rusty Shackleford]

Since probably 2006 for me ive been moving more towards a nihilistic view. Historical Materialism imo is probably what kept me from just being a layabout complainer or not-care-er. For me it provided the most rational, fundamental, and solid analysis and way of looking at human interaction and social development.

Im not sure if an appeal for rationalism is non nihilistic or not. i dont really care either.

With historical materialism and the materialist analysis at the most basic level i found a reason to motivate myself and an actual reasoning for action that has real concrete effects on society. Just the whole idea of society being the interrelations of people and how they relate to one another was and is still the most fascinating thing for me.

I mean, the rejection of god followed my attempt to follow got and jesus in my youth (influenced by no one but myself) and out of that came a desire for a reasoning for existence and 'trying.'


im just rambling right now and i have to go to work but yeah. This is also probably why i love Doom metal so much :lol:

[o well this is ok I guess]

Well I think we have all the necessary elements to start a situationist copycat group

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

"A positive wave of violence and despair began to grow. The outlaw-anarchists shot at the police and blew out their own brains. Others, overpowered before they could fire the last bullet into their own heads, went off sneering to the guillotine. ‘One against all!’ ‘Nothing means anything to me!’ ‘Damn the masters, damn the slaves, and damn me!’ I recognized, in the various newspaper reports, faces I had met or known; I saw the whole of the movement founded by Libertad dragged into the scum of society by a kind of madness; and nobody could do anything about it, least of all myself. The theoreticians, terrified, headed for cover. It was like a collective suicide...." - Memoirs of a Revolutionary, Victory Serge.



Brother,

You are not the problem. Society is.

The psychiatric industry is a fucking racket.

They'll tell you that you are depressed, that you have "oppositional defiance disorder," or some other load of shit they concocted around a list of "symptoms" in a university somewhere. They'll tell you that your thoughts and feelings are a result of a biological problem (without being able to explain or prove that), not a result of growing up in this fucked up social order. They'll feed you some pills that will numb you to reality, allowing you to fall in line and become a good little cog wheel in the machine, or failing that, a sedate walking vegetable. It really doesn't matter which to them; either makes their bank accounts grow a little larger and keeps you out of the rulers' hair.

What they will never do is admit that there is no individual answer... That the only answer is social: the complete overthrow of the tyranny of capital and all the exploitation, alienation and other inhuman shit that comes with it.

When you reject the opium of religion to numb you to the painful reality of existence in this society, they've got plenty other kinds to sell you: drug addiction (legal and illegal), alcohol addiction, subculture, etc. Get lost down a rabbit hole and never return. Whatever it takes to get you to adapt, to sit down, to shut up...

Believe me when I say I know where you are coming from. I do not hate life. I want to live. I want to enjoy all the sites, sounds, tastes and experiences available. I want to travel the world, to meet new people, to learn new languages. I want to converse, create art, laugh, cry, feel and be felt. I want to really love and be loved. But it's not possible. It's not possible when humans are not free to reach their potential. When they are restricted by society... from themselves, from each other. When human interaction is confined and distorted. When money is the power that controls all powers, and you are without.

I too often feel like I am on the outside looking in. The idolization and hero worship, the mindless ritual, the outmoded social forms and relations, the condemnation of those who dare to go beyond the imposed limits. Like Spinoza I have tried not to laugh at them, not to cry over them, but to understand them. And to a large extent I think I have succeeded in that. But understanding only makes the need for complete and total change seem more urgent. It borders on the impossible to be cognizant of the reality we face and remain a "normally functioning" person. Like Mumia said, "If you ain't angry, you ain't paying attention."

Knowing of the future possibilities -- that things do not have to be as they are, that a real human community exists within the depths of this living hell, waiting to be unleashed -- while being simultaneously unable to do anything of consequence about it is one of the most painful burdens a human being can carry. The immense feelings of helplessness that spring from this are unbearable.

These are the origins of the resounding outbursts of atomized individuals, whether alone or in small groups. Illegalism, insurrectionism, propaganda of the deed, small band guerrillaism, revolutionary suicide... nihilistic actions of all kinds. What are these but desperate cries in the wilderness; fleeting sparks of hope in a black sea of hopelessness; violent responses to a violent world? Anyone who is not completely alienated from their own humanity can see this reality.

Paul Mattick hit the nail on the head when he wrote that: "Their perpetrators are not moved by the conviction that their actions will lead directly to social change, but by their inability to accept the unchallenged, the perpetual terror of the bourgeoisie unchallenged. And once engaged in illegal terror, the legal terror forces them to continue their activities until the bitter end. This type of people is itself product of the class-ridden society and a response to its increasing brutalization."

I have no future. I am permanently unemployed with no prospects for any kind of meaningful employment ever. I have no educational credentials, no certificates, no diplomas, no training, no connections. My days are consumed by the never ending search for whatever money I can scrounge together, however I can scrounge it together, to help keep myself and those who depend on me alive another day. All this only to continually repeat the process. I am months behind on rent and bills, perpetually at risk of homelessness, deep in debt to the few friends and family members I have... not to mention the government and bankers. My nights are consumed by a combination of worry, fret and the crushing devastation of knowing that, baring some miracle, I will never escape these conditions. I'm hanging by the last thread, and the only things that keep me from simply bringing my life to an end are memories of a handful of glorious past experiences; hope that I may somehow, one day be able to experience such things again; and burning dreams of change.

[black magick hustla]

i just also want to say that while i feel an outsider, i do know my "nihilistic impulse" or whatever is not isolated. for one or the other reason, i am more articulate than most people in my generation, so i can describe my feelings, but i think more or less a lot of people feel similar things that i do. maybe these "nihilists" are not the mayority but they do form an important minority. idk anyone who is 20something or gets it. who doesnt know fuckers who just scrounge together money from their shitjob to pay the bills and get high and drunk? no prospect, no future, and therefore no real demands, at all. #occupy is testament of this. i sit and have some beers with older folks sometimes. they don't get it, at all. their cold war, pre-80s brain sees a confused, lazy generation. what do these fuckers know, really? i resent that they call my friends and me lazy. we are fucking soldiers ok. the whole reason the bosses are able to scrap all this "benefits" is because we are so used to eating shit. once the "union generation" used to "nicer things" dies out, there will be a whole generation of shit-eaters in contractor jobs. What is there to believe in? How do you even start making demands about this?


the oakland thread is revealing for example. all the older trots and more reasonable, older folks make a huge deal out of property destruction. but they dont really get it. that picture of the wholefoods, with strike across the windows is beautiful. its a big fuck you to this whole new market of capital geared towards "progressives" and the "educated", the healthy sushi eaters and the amicable white people who yearn for something more authentic because modern society is miserable (although they dont know that this "authenticity", experienced by peasants and people from more humble origins, isn't that good either). big fuck you to all the "non violence" ghandi fuckers. instead they scramble about some stupid windows and their "publicity". who gives a fuck, the day the revolution happens, nobody is going to care about some shitty windows.

I think it is pretty evident the appeal of nihilism today. If we read the news, and watch the movies and the music it all makes sense. We all want to be the fuckin joker, that is why he is so popular. Some motherfucker that extortions the mob for a room full of money and lights the money
up, and then urinates all over the state and the cops? Or videogames, the most popular games are the ones where you can set the city alight and kill as many cops as possible. I dont think this is circumstantial. i think there is segment of people in the west who fantasize about making the world go away.


aaaaaaaaaa. i am not crazy i swear

[eyedrop]

NHIA, thanks.

That may have been the most resounding and beautiful text I've read my entire life.

[The Douche]

i just also want to say that while i feel an outsider, i do know my "nihilistic impulse" or whatever is not isolated. for one or the other reason, i am more articulate than most people in my generation, so i can describe my feelings, but i think more or less a lot of people feel similar things that i do. maybe these "nihilists" are not the mayority but they do form an important minority. idk anyone who is 20something or gets it. who doesnt know fuckers who just scrounge together money from their shitjob to pay the bills and get high and drunk? no prospect, no future, and therefore no real demands, at all. #occupy is testament of this. i sit and have some beers with older folks sometimes. they don't get it, at all. their cold war, pre-80s brain sees a confused, lazy generation. what do these fuckers know, really? i resent that they call my friends and me lazy. we are fucking soldiers ok. the whole reason the bosses are able to scrap all this "benefits" is because we are so used to eating shit. once the "union generation" used to "nicer things" dies out, there will be a whole generation of shit-eaters in contractor jobs. What is there to believe in? How do you even start making demands about this?


the oakland thread is revealing for example. all the older trots and more reasonable, older folks make a huge deal out of property destruction. but they dont really get it. that picture of the wholefoods, with strike across the windows is beautiful. its a big fuck you to this whole new market of capital geared towards "progressives" and the "educated", the healthy sushi eaters and the amicable white people who yearn for something more authentic because modern society is miserable (although they dont know that this "authenticity", experienced by peasants and people from more humble origins, isn't that good either). big fuck you to all the "non violence" ghandi fuckers. instead they scramble about some stupid windows and their "publicity". who gives a fuck, the day the revolution happens, nobody is going to care about some shitty windows.

I think it is pretty evident the appeal of nihilism today. If we read the news, and watch the movies and the music it all makes sense. We all want to be the fuckin joker, that is why he is so popular. Some motherfucker that extortions the mob for a room full of money and lights the money
up, and then urinates all over the state and the cops? Or videogames, the most popular games are the ones where you can set the city alight and kill as many cops as possible. I dont think this is circumstantial. i think there is segment of people in the west who fantasize about making the world go away.


aaaaaaaaaa. i am not crazy i swear

In a society that has destroyed all adventure, yeah, well, whatever, you know the rest.

[La Comédie Noire]

I know how you feel, ever since I stopped believing in god it was like my center of gravity suddenly left and now I'm just floating around in space time. I mean there's politics, but I don't want that to be a center of gravity, I don't want to degrade it to that level. I value Marxism because it is a valid social science, not because it gives me comfort.

This whole generation is just angry and cynical, everyone is like "why don't they build something, why don't they do something positive!" It's like, what could we do?! There's nothing proactive to do, so we destroy instead. In the 19th century it used to be considered a "big thing" when someone wrote a political programme, people would take it seriously and discuss it. Having been on the left for 7 years now I can say with confidence I've must of seen a thousand programmes, each one just as silly and quaint as anything else. I literally have no faith in shared political projects.

And where does the old generation get off calling us lazy and telling us we are coddled and how "freedom" involves risk? I don't like being told by a generation of people who grew fat off a Keynesian pillow of winds about the fruits of uncertainty!

[the last donut of the night]

what really bothers me about our generation is how the big media overlords and capitalist society tell us we have to be happy. if we're not living some kind of american pie movie the entire time, then we're freaks, emo kids, dropouts, depressive, etc. it seems like people are afraid to admit they're scared, that life doesn't seem so rosy because at home no one cares.

we're not sold products anymore; we're sold feelings of happiness, of comfort, of reassurance that the world isn't going to shit. that if we buy recycled toilet paper, then maybe two african children won't die that day. everybody's accepted the idea that somehow the world is going to shit because "we didn't do our job" as humans (and not because of capitalism wreaked havoc on the global ecosystem for profit), so instead we turn off and try to bear another day of pretending the big miracle of the century is just around. ugh

sorry /endrant

[The Douche]

what really bothers me about our generation is how the big media overlords and capitalist society tell us we have to be happy. if we're not living some kind of american pie movie the entire time, then we're freaks, emo kids, dropouts, depressive, etc. it seems like people are afraid to admit they're scared, that life doesn't seem so rosy because at home no one cares.

we're not sold products anymore; we're sold feelings of happiness, of comfort, of reassurance that the world isn't going to shit. that if we buy recycled toilet paper, then maybe two african children won't die that day. everybody's accepted the idea that somehow the world is going to shit because "we didn't do our job" as humans (and not because of capitalism wreaked havoc on the global ecosystem for profit), so instead we turn off and try to bear another day of pretending the big miracle of the century is just around. ugh

sorry /endrant

I actually think there is a big rift there.

In my job I get to interact with lots of young people, and my town is really low-income and low opportunity, but there is also a somewhat well respected university in my town.

So I see the kids who come from upper middle class families who are students who really buy into the happiness thing, and then I see working class kids who don't buy that at all. And they're not all into subculture, a lot of them are just regular kids.

[the last donut of the night]

I actually think there is a big rift there.

In my job I get to interact with lots of young people, and my town is really low-income and low opportunity, but there is also a somewhat well respected university in my town.

So I see the kids who come from upper middle class families who are students who really buy into the happiness thing, and then I see working class kids who don't buy that at all. And they're not all into subculture, a lot of them are just regular kids.

that's good to hear. i'm from the upper-middle class, so i guess i speak mostly from my class perspective

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I'm from the merger of two families of factory workers and coal miners. My generation came at the collapse of industry in my area so my dozens of cousins are divided into a handful that were able to get into factories, mines, railroads and stay there, and the rest of us who either float from gig to gig and/or spend life wasted off drugs and alcohol.

[Ravachol]

What hustla and others write here completely resonates with me. I've never really valued any form of ritualism or golden calf worshiping and a form of cynism and iconoclasm have always held more appeal to me than the mindless voluntary slavery of those who bend the knee and 'make peace' with the world at every turn.

There's a lot of things I value, from love, friendship and comradeship, having eachother's back to music, literature, art and good food. I value all these things and especially for that reason I'm so utterly disgusted by the dead machinery of this society where people actually pride themselves on being thrown into a chock full train every morning before either staring at a computer screen or moving bricks from one place to the other while being shouted at, only to be puked out at the same dead, lifeless commuter hubs at the end of the day, having just enough energy left to pop those few prozac pills and enjoy an episode of "the hills", hearing some equally washed out socialite drone on about the next big thing in commodity-land.

Capitalist society is a vampire and post-fordist capitalism is a very fucking subtle vampire, one that puts it's very fangs on an alter and makes the flock worship them, one that makes people pat themselves on the shoulder for yet another bloodletting under the guise of "work ethic".

There is nothing more healthy in this world than to walk through it with a good portion of disgust and apathy towards it's rituals and icons. In fact, I've found this attitude, this nihilism if you will, to be far more liberating than the days when I actually had a small degree of respect for the whole farce. When I look around me I see plenty of (former) friends crushed by the weight of their own worship, washed out when reality comes over to piss on their parade leaving them to blame only themselves and entrench themselves even further within the thousands of shackles this world has to offer. Sure, there's plenty of shit that comes my way out of material reasons, I work because I have to feed myself and the whole rat-race that comes with it is only because of my class position, but at least I have the joy of pissing away the shining paint and never valuing any of it. I think this attitude, a complete disillusionment with this world is the natural starting point for a real, qualitative break with it. The desire to take what we love and burn the rest, holding no calf sacred.

[No_Leaders]

I have to say this is something i struggle with, and at times i feel myself slip more into apathy. I care but I don't. I wake up i goto work at a call center listen to customers ***** about how they spent 5000$ on a new dishwasher and it doesn't work and want's to know what i am gonna do as a representative to fix this.. Imagine that 8 hours a day 5 days a week. My bit of peace and happiness comes when i'm truely at home and free from this.. Listening to music, kicking back some beer, smoking some pot, reading, taking a walk at night after the rain, with it's uniqe smell. My happiness is when i'm hanging with good friends, or the girl i have these crazy feelings for. Only to be reminded this is temporary, but the realtiy of slaving away 8 hours is something that will have to be permenant until the day i die basically.

Capitalism has destroyed our lives, our freedom, our happiness. The creative abilities we have we try to pursue only to have society tell us "that's not realistic" or "how do you expect to get a job doing that?". Fuck the norm, fuck their standards. I've always hated purity, and feel myself wanting to see the cities burn and i'd more than love to drink in the burned out industrial shell of what use to be called boston, or chicago. I get these feelings not out of despair, not because i truely hate the world and have no faith in revolution. No, it's simply because i'm so damn cynical and terrified at the way the world is, where it will continue to go. I know how some of those here feel, this world wasn't made for us. It wasn't made for us to sit around and listen to some prof talk about history, or how to write a good essay. It wasn't made for us to be tricked into slavery by the bosses, and ruling classes. Life was never made to be so hard, yet we've let it spiral out of control. I love the sight of a burning bank, let the skyscrapers crumble, accomplishment of what? Architecture? Ha! I scoff at such notions of "this is the biggest skyscraper man has made" One day we'll keep warm burning the calenders, burning these alarm clocks, burning these corpses of the banks of the mc donalds, of it all. Let is all come crashing down, then you, me, all our comrades and friends can sit on top of the mountains staring out into the horizon, knowing all these feats to capitalism, greed, all the governments have come crashing down in a burning inferno.

I'm not a nutcase, i have my rational sense of things i would love to see, but i find it hard to keep positive on things at times and find my way slipping more and more to apathy and looking at the world as such. It's confusing, sometimes depressing but all the more terrifying. Everyone who knows me, knows I care so much of others, I truely do. I care enough to be an anarchist, a socialist, to fight injustice and oppression. At the same time i hate society and take very little interests in the shit the world throws in our faces for entertainment, 'news', etc. Who cares this 'God' amongst men created the lightbulb? Anyone could have, he's no different than you or I, he just got lucky.. Anyways i'm rambling and at work. Sorry, sorry if anyone thinks im nuts now after this ha..

[Broletariat]

I get and definitely understand what you guys are talking about/feeling. But I just seem not to really give a fuck.

I just skip around in this dead world breathing life where I go and giggling about like a small child. I don't want to see the world burn because it's already burnt to the ground and more.

[Os Cangaceiros]

i sit and have some beers with older folks sometimes. they don't get it, at all. their cold war, pre-80s brain sees a confused, lazy generation. what do these fuckers know, really? i resent that they call my friends and me lazy. we are fucking soldiers ok. the whole reason the bosses are able to scrap all this "benefits" is because we are so used to eating shit. once the "union generation" used to "nicer things" dies out, there will be a whole generation of shit-eaters in contractor jobs. What is there to believe in? How do you even start making demands about this?

Yeah, I argue with my parents sometimes (although I'm usually not ultra-political), and it's kind of frusterating. I try to get through to them that my generation has different ideals, different goals, different expectations then their generation, and their generation in turn had different expectations than the generation before them, etc, and that none of these values are pure, natural truth...ideas and values and beliefs change as human society progresses, there is no "truth", my generation doesn't represent a de-evolution of the human species. I don't idolize the concept of "work", for example. There's some HL Mencken quote in which he basically says (derisively) that most people are content with a patch of sun to lay in, and hand to scratch themselves with. I can relate to that.

That's not to say that I can't or won't commit myself to "hard work", I've done that shit a lot. I do what I need to do to survive. I can't stand the value systems that are promoted as some kind of Truth, though, like the whole fiscal conservative mantra of "oh, I worked hard all my life in my small business, I work two jobs, I pay my income taxes, goddamn these cretins who want a free ride". I just can't bring myself to respect that mantra at all. If anything I feel sorry for those people.

[the last donut of the night]

bump this is an ill thread

[bricolage]

i resonate with this because i kinda see communism in a pretty utopian-emotional way, i guess. communism to me represents that feeling when you get up on a summer morning, call over your buddies, have a wake and bake, and spend the next week at the beach just chilling. is that so much to want? humans are animals -- we want the easy life. it's annoying how so many communist fucktards still think that socialism's all about this stoic proletarian ethos. fuck that. if i could have it my way, i'd engineer a world where there was no work, free access to all possible knowledge and fast food that tasted like the real stuff but wasn't extremely unhealthy
This. I don't get it when people sit around making detailed plans of what they think communism is, how the trains will work, where the elections will be, what the houses will look like, its just mental wanking to try and win pointless arguments. all anyone really wants is to happy and warm and loved and safe, the rest can be worked out around that. I hate getting into these arguments with people about policy and affordability, all I want to say is work is criminal but you sound like a dreamer or a hippie. I've never hated this society more and never felt that there was less I could do about it. I'm happy most of the time I think but theres always a nagging thing underneath that there could be so much more, I imagine everyone has this really.

[Franz Fanonipants]

a lot of people died around me when i was real young. this gave me nothing but the desire to tear the shit out of the world.

idk bro, i think you're probably kind of depressed.

[black magick hustla]

a lot of people died around me when i was real young. this gave me nothing but the desire to tear the shit out of the world.

idk bro, i think you're probably kind of depressed.

tbh i dont think you can be a radical without being slightly depressed. cynicism is realism

[Franz Fanonipants]

yeah comrade but there's a big difference between being disaffected and being realistic.

[the last donut of the night]

bump for greatness