What is KKE Doing?

[Mitja]

i cant follow this can someone pleas tell me what is kke (communist party of greece)
doing im to confused?


thanks

[Smyg]

Bad stuff.

[Mitja]

Bad stuff.

ha but what kind of stuff i absolutely cant get it

[The Douche]

They are trying to lead/control the movement against austerity, and they are not afraid to use violence against people who won't accept their leadership.

[Threetune]

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/313833


US and European imperialism pressures Greek ruling class to make its move for unelected government against workers resistance.

Greek communist workers need Leninist revolutionary theory to combat revisionist parliamentary peaceful coexistence treachery.

[Rafiq]

Ahahahah, I remember on Ghost Radio he was calling the guy "Popolopo".

[Threetune]

Just for you Rafiq, Παπανδρέου. That name is going to be remembered like Archduke Ferdinand of Austria!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15575198

[PhoenixAsh]

I think nobody could have forseen the move to hold a referendum and then withdraw it. In hindsight it was a move to garnish support from the opposition...which now have voted with a 5 vote marging to keep Papandreou.

Incidentally...these kind of political machinations is exactly why you need to walk into parliament with a demonstration....

[Rusty Shackleford]

i think the KKE is biding its time right now. But threetune might be right about the kruschevite peaceful coexistence era parliamentarianism. The latest release by the central committee of the KKE's most important call was a call to vote. Now, the struggle in Greece is just now starting to mature and things can change very rapidly.

I'm not going to chide the KKE yet, but I am worried they may be stuck in that 60s CP mentality.

[The Douche]

i think the KKE is biding its time right now. But threetune might be right about the kruschevite peaceful coexistence era parliamentarianism. The latest release by the central committee of the KKE's most important call was a call to vote. Now, the struggle in Greece is just now starting to mature and things can change very rapidly.

I'm not going to chide the KKE yet, but I am worried they may be stuck in that 60s CP mentality.

And if your party called me an anarcho-fascist... would you be not yet ready to chide them?

[Fawkes]

Trying to get seats in parliament.


Oh, and anyone that opposes them is an anarcho-fascist who splits their time making molotov cocktails and reading The Conquest of Kempf.

[Die Neue Zeit]

But threetune might be right about the kruschevite peaceful coexistence era parliamentarianism. The latest release by the central committee of the KKE's most important call was a call to vote.


Trying to get seats in parliament.

Instead of becoming the real movement of the Greek working class, of building the necessary institutions of the Greek working class :thumbdown:

[Rusty Shackleford]

And if your party called me an anarcho-fascist... would you be not yet ready to chide them?
i dont agree with the analysis. i also think there may have been a translation issue. But no, i don't view anarchsits as anarcho fascists.

[brigadista]

where are the Greek revlefters?

[Ravachol]

http://inter.kke.gr/News/news2011/2011-11-03-oxi-sto-dillima/



In this very context the KKE calls on the working class and the popular strata to say NO to the referendum; to demand the fall of the government and elections in which they will deliver a strong blow to the rotten bourgeois political system voting for the KKE.


:laugh:

http://inter.kke.gr/News/news2011/2011-11-05-rally-kke/



They are lying that the timeline imposes the voting of the loan agreement before the election. We demand a caretaker government and elections in 20 days so that the people will be able to express their will with their vote.


Crush the bourgeois party system by using your vote comrades! Wipe away the floodgates of revisionism through participation in parliament! :rolleyes:

I can see some disappointed anti-revisionists coming up already, the same who made a big droopy face after the events in Nepal. But it'll all be because "revisionism" prevailed, 'unfortunately' and we'll just have to start over "building the real workers' vanguard" in the same fashion all over again!

[Thirsty Crow]

I would really like to see this thread going on, and if possible, that it is devoted solely, as the title suggests, for KKE's actions and statements, since it's fairly accurate to say that they represent the most organized political group at least nominally belinging to the militant working class. It's pretty informative, and also very saddening to see that it's more or less confirmed that this organization has nothing going for it but the class collaborationist tactic of parliamentary games.

[Die Neue Zeit]

Crush the bourgeois party system by using your vote comrades! Wipe away the floodgates of revisionism through participation in parliament! :rolleyes:

I can see some disappointed anti-revisionists coming up already, the same who made a big droopy face after the events in Nepal. But it'll all be because "revisionism" prevailed, 'unfortunately' and we'll just have to start over "building the real workers' vanguard" in the same fashion all over again!

I already stated that it's much more productive to have a mass influx of Greek workers into the KKE's membership (and also an exodus of non-workers from the KKE). That's a stronger indicator of the political support that's needed to have a revolutionary period for the working class.

[A Marxist Historian]

I already stated that it's much more productive to have a mass influx of Greek workers into the KKE's membership (and also an exodus of non-workers from the KKE). That's a stronger indicator of the political support that's needed to have a revolutionary period for the working class.

What would be productive would be to have a mass outflux of Greek workers *out of* the KKE, not into apathy and cynicism, but into a revolutionary alternative.

Unfortunately, there are no revolutionary alternatives to the KKE of any size. Much of the alphabet soup of the Greek left is as bad as the KKE or worse.

-M.H.-

[Die Neue Zeit]

Of course a real party and real movement, a party-movement, is needed in Greece. Not only does the KKE have a stained history of participating in coalition governments and governing regionally and locally, but it's not willing to commit to an SPD model for Greek workers.

[Ravachol]

Of course a real party and real movement, a party-movement, is needed in Greece. Not only does the KKE have a stained history of participating in coalition governments and governing regionally and locally, but it's not willing to commit to an SPD model for Greek workers.

Yeah the SPD model worked out great the first time! It really spread that external revolutionary consciousness from the vanguard to the masses:

http://www.glogster.com/media/5/24/36/98/24369835.jpg

[FSL]

where are the Greek revlefters?
They're in Greece doing things, occasionally also logging in revleft to have a smile at the expense of all the naive people there.
Besides, you all are very good in understanding things without any help.

Some people even forsaw a new "popular front" with Pasok and KKE.
Damn, you guys are way ahead!




Seriously, writing here is an exercise in pointlessness and there are more important issues.

[brigadista]

for me the best way of knowing what is happening is to hear from Greece so that was the reason for my question so thanks for the answer:):)

[FSL]

for me the best way of knowing what is happening is to hear from Greece so that was the reason for my question so thanks for the answer:):)

Oh, you are an exception then.
I'll post something in newswire to not go off topic here.

[Thirsty Crow]

Oh, you are an exception then.
I'll post something in newswire to not go off topic here.
Maybe you could comment on the way in which Greek revolutionaries in KKE integrate the tactics of a parliamentary campainging (see first page) into the broader revolutionary strategy.
Maybe explain how the rotten foundations of bourgeois democracy will be shaken by a larger voter turnout in favour of KKE.

[FSL]

Maybe you could comment on the way in which Greek revolutionaries in KKE integrate the tactics of a parliamentary campainging (see first page) into the broader revolutionary strategy.
Maybe explain how the rotten foundations of bourgeois democracy will be shaken by a larger voter turnout in favour of KKE.

I don't need to do the first, it was done ages ago by someone probably a bit smarter than me.

The rotten foundations will be shaken if the communist party gains support and the bourgeois parties lose it. If their "in-the-making" alliance becomes more fragile, if all bourgeois parties, most importantly the two that are traditionally the dominant ones, lose their appeal among the workers.

The same laws will pass yes but they will be passed by an alliance of all the bourgeois parties being supported by an ever-decreasing number of people, while support for the communist party and its goals (overthrowing capital rule, socialising means of productions, exiting the EU and NATO) will be increased.
This will give everyone more courage and optimism, much like what a succesful strike does.


Also the call for elections is for another reason. Both Pasok and New Democracy have agreed that ratifying the loan agreement with the EU and the IMF is a priority. They both want to deal with that first and then go to elections. As you can understand many people oppose that agreement. That is exactly why they want to end it as soon as possible. The referendum caused chaos exactly because it endangered that agreement.
So the communist party asks for elections to take place in November, before the agreement is voted.