Rage Against The Machine

[The Feral Underclass]

I like RATM but I was listening to some of there songs and I thought to myself, do they have a political message or are they just angst ridden.

i wanted to put a song on here but I couldnt - The song I was going to show was 'Killing in the name of'.

[Danton]

Never heard of them..

[UnionofSovietSocialistRepublics]

bitta both, i imagine they keep it up 4 publicity. sorry 2 spoil any illusions.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

they don't keep anything up anymore, as they don't exist. Audioslave, which is the band without their lead singer and songwriter Zack de la Rocha, is now just an average band in my opinion. Regardless of their motives or compassion, they brought lots of attention to a good cause, that being radicalism.

On their website is a reading list of books that they pictured in the liner notes of the "Evil Empire" album. That seems to suggest a sincere appreciation of the cause...

[che's long lost daughter]

It is a sad thing that RATM no longer exists...whatever people say about them-- that they are too gay, that they did whatever they did for publicity, that they are commercialized etc etc-- they will always be the band who opened my eyes...because of them, I learned about our hero che...so like che will always live, so will RATM


Zack, I miss you!

[Goldfinger]

you can never be too gay.

[Purple]

but you can be too straight...

[praxis1966]

"Killing in the Name" is probably a bad example of their best work. It's a fun song, but was primarily designed as a sort of protest march chant put to music. I've seen them live, and Zack more or less let the crowd carry the body of the vocals in that one (especially the corus and crescendo).

As far as message music goes, they're highly educated. Tom Morello received his bachelor's degree in political science from Harvard University, graduating with honors. If I'm not mistaken, Zack graduated from UCLA with a degree in history. You can find a lot of references to earlier movements in their lyrics. For example, in "Year of the Boomerang," there's a line that says "So I'm goin' out heavy sort of like Mount Thai." That's a reference to an essay that former Minister of Defense for the Black Panther Party Bobby Seale once wrote. It can be found in a collection of their works called The Black Panthers Speak.

[SonofRage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2003, 05:25 PM
you can never be too gay.
Watch an episode of "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" and think about that statement :D

[canikickit]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2003, 02:35 AM
As far as message music goes, they're highly educated. Tom Morello received his bachelor's degree in political science from Harvard University, graduating with honors.
...while playing guitar for eight hours a day, and four on the weekends (or so I've heard).

[praxis1966]

Yeah, I read that in a Guitar Magazine interview with him that came out shortly after the Evil Empire release.

[Monty Cantsin]

about ratm they have this site http://www.ratm.com/ it talks about there political Movements

[(*]

Originally posted by che's long lost [email protected] 8 2003, 05:24 PM

Zack, I miss you!
He has done some solo work.

Have you heard "March of Death" ?

I believe he is also working with trent reznor from NIN.

[Hate Is Art]

yeah trent is producing his new album i believe, no idea when its cming out or anything like that. i like rage, they pretty much sparked off my interest in leftism, they were pretty insirational.

anyone got the lyrics to killing in the name of. cos they arent in the album.

[The Feral Underclass]

Lyrics to 'killing in the name'

http://www.musicsonglyrics.com/R/Rage%20Ag...me%20lyrics.htm (http://www.musicsonglyrics.com/R/Rage%20Against%20The%20Machine/Rage%20Against%20The%20Machine%20-%20Killing%20In%20The%20Name%20lyrics.htm)

[praxis1966]

There's a lot of other random solo stuff that Zack has done that's floating around out there. For instance, there's a song on one of the Lyricist's Lounge compilation that has The Last Emporer, KRS-1, and Zack doing a song called CIA (aka Criminals in Action). There's another that he did with Chuck D. from Public Enemy; a remake of Burn Hollywood, Burn if I'm not mistaken. Also, he did a song with Roni Size called the Center of the Storm. All are worth bogarting from Kazaa.

[(*]

I heard the album is slated for 2004, perhaps around election time.

The rage dvd and cd is coming out this month!

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by che's long lost [email protected] 8 2003, 04:24 PM
It is a sad thing that RATM no longer exists...whatever people say about them-- that they are too gay, that they did whatever they did for publicity, that they are commercialized etc etc-- they will always be the band who opened my eyes...because of them, I learned about our hero che...so like che will always live, so will RATM


Zack, I miss you!
You found out who your father was from a band? =D
....I wish they'd tell me, beacuse I still don't know who my father is.
:lol:

[Soul Rebel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 02:25 PM
There's a lot of other random solo stuff that Zack has done that's floating around out there. For instance, there's a song on one of the Lyricist's Lounge compilation that has The Last Emporer, KRS-1, and Zack doing a song called CIA (aka Criminals in Action). There's another that he did with Chuck D. from Public Enemy; a remake of Burn Hollywood, Burn if I'm not mistaken. Also, he did a song with Roni Size called the Center of the Storm. All are worth bogarting from Kazaa.
Yeah, those are all amazing freaking songs. I got them from kazaa a while back.

As for zack's new album i heard that it was already supposed to be out this year, actually this month. I dont know. I think they keep pushing back the date or something. Oh well, its worth the wait.

Doesnt rage already have a dvd? i thought i had seen one at a small record shop here. maybe its not the one you are talking about (*

[Invader Zim]

I'm going to be a bastard, but I think that Rage against the Machine suck. I find their music repetative and boring. I cant make out the lyrics so I dont care what their political message was or is.

Death to RATM... ohh yeah they already split.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I agree with you there, Enigma. I don't really like that rap-rock stuff.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 08:31 PM
I agree with you there, Enigma. I don't really like that rap-rock stuff.
yeah? What are you into? Currently i'm in a Tool stage...

[(*]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 01:42 PM


Doesnt rage already have a dvd? i thought i had seen one at a small record shop here. maybe its not the one you are talking about (*
They have 2 dvd's out already. The one out this month is from their last performance (or one of their last). Plus a cd of the performance (I think).

"Live At The Olympic Auditorium"

Kick Out the Jams
Bulls on Parade
Bombtrack
Calm Like a Bomb
Bullet in the Head
Microphone Fiend
Sleep Now in the Fire
War Within a Breath
I'm Housin'
Killing in the Name
Born of a Broken Man
No Shelter
Know Your Enemy
Beautiful World
Freedom
How I Could Just Kill a Man

[praxis1966]

Enigma, you should try reading the inside of the cover once in a while. 99% of their lyrics are posted there; either that or their website (http://www.ratm.com).

Senora Che: They actually have two. The older one is self-titled and came w/ a copy of The Ghost of Tom Joad single. The second one is called The Battle of Mexico City. As far as Zack's solo album is concerned, the most recent info I could find can be viewed by clicking here (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1457027/20020814/story.jhtml). It's an MTV news article dated August 14, 2003, but it says there's been no release date set yet. Judging from the article, though, it sounds like it'll rock. It confirms he's working w/ Trent Reznor and that he's done some work w/ ?estlove (the drummer from The Roots, for those who don't know). I checked ZDLR.net (http://www.zdlr.net)'s (a message board for Zack lovers) calender, and they don't have anything listed beyond December. All the dates they did have were just a bunch anniversaries, anyhow. Sorry I couldn't help more!

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I'm into classic rock. :)

[Svartvit]

Rage Against The Machine was a great band before Zack left. I mean, to get the ending theme in The Matrix. That's awesome. :)

[praxis1966]

It is pretty cool, the Matrix connection. You have to ask yourself why they chopped the songs all to pieces. I think it has to do with the fact that the makers of Godzilla allowed "No Shelter" to appear on that soundtrack with the line "Godzilla, pure motha fuckin filler, Keepin their eyes off the real killer." Had to be embarassing for the movie's producers.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 01:31 PM
....I wish they'd tell me, beacuse I still don't know who my father is.
:lol:
VIICCTOR.......
I AM YOUR FAATHER....

rage's style of rap-rock was a good thing way back when, but it has been imitated too much by new pop bands, i understand what you guys mean.

[Blackberry]

I like the lyrics to "Sleep Now In The Fire".

[Mr Mojo Risin]

"I am the Nina, the Pinta, the Santa Maria, the noose and the rapist, the fields overseer"

It is one of their songs that achieved the most commercial success in terms of radio play and such, interesting lyrics as usual. I agree.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 12:33 AM
Enigma, you should try reading the inside of the cover once in a while. 99% of their lyrics are posted there; either that or their website (http://www.ratm.com).

Senora Che: They actually have two. The older one is self-titled and came w/ a copy of The Ghost of Tom Joad single. The second one is called The Battle of Mexico City. As far as Zack's solo album is concerned, the most recent info I could find can be viewed by clicking here (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1457027/20020814/story.jhtml). It's an MTV news article dated August 14, 2003, but it says there's been no release date set yet. Judging from the article, though, it sounds like it'll rock. It confirms he's working w/ Trent Reznor and that he's done some work w/ ?estlove (the drummer from The Roots, for those who don't know). I checked ZDLR.net (http://www.zdlr.net)'s (a message board for Zack lovers) calender, and they don't have anything listed beyond December. All the dates they did have were just a bunch anniversaries, anyhow. Sorry I couldn't help more!
yeah, I could... but I cant be bothered, anyway as the lyrics are undecypherable what differance does it make what they have written down? If I wanted to read such political messages I would look at poetry or read a book.

[truthaddict11]

the new dvd is from one of thier last concerts together, it will have live versions of songs off of the Renegades album. A cd of the concert will be released too. Kinda like the Live Aus Berlin thing Rammstein did but no sodomy.


I perfer Audioslave over RATM. Zach leaving was the best thing to happen they would have broken up soon they have had trouble making every album.

[YKTMX]

I think their later stuff has more lyrical maturity than their earlier stuff, which is understandable because there is a ten year gap between their first and last albums. One of my biggest regrets is having never seen them live, now they split up it obviously ain't gonna happen. I can't stand Audioslave, I miss RAGE!

[UberIbanez]

Nah. Zac made the band. I forget the name, but that guy from Soundgarden just doesn't sound as good with the band. I myself, I'm a rage fan.

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 05:43 PM
Nah. Zac made the band. I forget the name, but that guy from Soundgarden just doesn't sound as good with the band. I myself, I'm a rage fan.
Chris Cornell is his name. I love Soundgarden on their own, but Cornell's voice just doesn't suit the Rage sound. His voice has been going downhill generally for years anyway.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 06:43 PM
Nah. Zac made the band. I forget the name, but that guy from Soundgarden just doesn't sound as good with the band. I myself, I'm a rage fan.
I beg to differ, as much as I dislike the band I must conseed the Tom Morrelow (sp) is a great guitarist, and musically far more talented than the rest of the band put together IMO.

[che's long lost daughter]

Chris Cornell is just about "look at me, at how beautiful i am" as one of my friends quoted. Rage and Audioslave, although 3/4 of the latter are former rage members, are two totally different bands in my opinion...I do not really listen to Audioslave but one song of theirs I know is Like A Stone and it is very much different from Rage's songs...the rap-rock genre, the political message and Zack's passion...the only thing familiar is Tom Morello's guitar playing which is as always brilliant as he is. I miss RATM :(

[truthaddict11]

Originally posted by YouKnowTheyMurderedX+Nov 17 2003, 12:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (YouKnowTheyMurderedX @ Nov 17 2003, 12:46 PM)
[email protected] 17 2003, 05:43 PM
Nah. Zac made the band. I forget the name, but that guy from Soundgarden just doesn&#39;t sound as good with the band. I myself, I&#39;m a rage fan.
Chris Cornell is his name. I love Soundgarden on their own, but Cornell&#39;s voice just doesn&#39;t suit the Rage sound. His voice has been going downhill generally for years anyway. [/b]
in case you didnt notice audoslave sounds nothing like rage of course they are two totally different bands did you expect them to sound like rage Chris Cornell is horrible rapping but he is one of the best vocalists of the past decade. I say good riddence to rage now the other guys can get more done without zach.

I was supposed to see Tom Morello tonight but couldnt attend he was doing an acoustic set too.

[Bolshevika]

The song "Guerrilla Radio" has very interesting lyrics. Too bad the video they made for it had nothing to do with the song. I have the film "Battle of Mexico City" which has their live performances. There&#39;s bits in between performances about the Zapatistas and their mission it&#39;s pretty incredible.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Despite my dislike for RATM, I also highly appreciate Tom&#39;s guitar.

[Alejandro C]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2003, 08:35 PM
You can find a lot of references to earlier movements in their lyrics. For example, in "Year of the Boomerang," there&#39;s a line that says "So I&#39;m goin&#39; out heavy sort of like Mount Thai." That&#39;s a reference to an essay that former Minister of Defense for the Black Panther Party Bobby Seale once wrote. It can be found in a collection of their works called The Black Panthers Speak.
sorry to correct you but &#39;heavy sort of like mount thai&#39; is from chairman mao. the quote is something like- the counter-revolutionaries life weighs on the scales of history as light as a feather, the revloutionairy&#39;s life is heavier than mount thai.

i like zach&#39;s lyrics more than i do the music. i used to always carry around the covers with lyrics with me and read them when i got bored. hes a fantastic writer. the rest of the music is very good though, i particularly like new millenium homes and roll right

i was glad to see no one say something stupid like- i hate rage because they&#39;re so comercial. i hear that alot from idiots posing as revolutionaries.

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

I just started noticing hatred for RATM amongst leftists myself, Alejandro. Someone I know told me that if they were really revolutionary, they would give all their money to the governments of the DPRK and Cuba, but I don&#39;t see how that would make them more revolutionary...

[Danish]

Personally, I love both RATM and Audioslave. I think they aren&#39;t really comparible because they are so different from one another. As for Chris Cornell&#39;s voice going downhill, he still has one of the best voices in rock music today (after, of course, Maynard).

As for the original question about angst vs. legitimate political message, I was thinking about this the other day while listening to their stuff, and I came to the following conclusion:

Rage were very "angstful" on their first album. It was very angry and all over the place. However, as they progressed, they changed in the sense that they became more focused and less... crazy. Not to say they didn&#39;t "rage" anymore, but The Battle Of Los Angeles seems more well-thought than the two previous albums. Either way, Rage was amazing, one of the best bands of the 90s without question.

[Tristan Manluyao]

Rage Against the Machine---one of the most leftist bands ever, one the greatest band i ever listen. Hasta la victoria, RAGE&#33;&#33;&#33;

[RedComrade]

Originally posted by Andrei [email protected] 18 2003, 08:30 AM
I just started noticing hatred for RATM amongst leftists myself, Alejandro. Someone I know told me that if they were really revolutionary, they would give all their money to the governments of the DPRK and Cuba, but I don&#39;t see how that would make them more revolutionary...
I beleive rage did actually give some of their profits to the FARC and the EZLN.

[Urban Rubble]

I think it&#39;s good that they brought some of this stuff to the mainstream, but I have alot of problems with Rage.

I won&#39;t ruin your thread with my sour grapes though.

[praxis1966]

RedComrade: As well as Sendero Luminoso, I believe. I know Tom at least paid lip service to liking them. I do know for a fact that Zack spent a lot of time in between the first two albums volunteer teaching in schools; located in Zapatista controlled Mexico, no less.

Alejandro: I dunno. Maybe Seale was bogarting the line, or maybe quoting it. It&#39;s been a while since I read it last, but I&#39;m sure that&#39;s where I first encountered it. In any case, I stand corrected.

[Chewillneverdie]

sorry boys, zacks great and all, but Chris Cornell can whoop his ass at singing
well Zack raps (ugh fuckin ugh) and the biggest reason every1 liked Rage was..........Tom. cmon if you play guitar (i can play guitar, bass, drums, and gettin bagpipes :lol: ) you know he is badass. Rage is a great band, but cmon Audioslave is much better, the only problem with them is their lyrics dont compare to Rage.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Zach had a great voice for delivering his lyrics, although maybe he could make the words a little easier to hear.
Anyway, the whole argument "ansgst vs. legitimate political argument" is bogus, man. Angst is part of their political argument, that would be why their name includes the word "Rage." You should be angry at your government, and their angst gives their message emotional weight.

[truthaddict11]

i have to disagree Audioslaves lyrics have a much deeper meaning than RATM&#39;s

[Chewillneverdie]

yeah maybe deeper, but i like political music, anyone here like Alice in Chains? jesus that was a great band

[mentalbunny]

No one screams "freedom" like Zach de la Rocha. I can&#39;t remember which track it&#39;s on but it&#39;s on RATM. And I can&#39;t wiat to hear his stuff with DJ Shadow, who also rules.

[truthaddict11]

that song is called "Freedom" from thier self titled album

[Chewillneverdie]

yeah Zach could scream nicely, but Chris Cornells is more from the soul, I could care less about what he does with a DJ, i hate rap with all the fire in my heart lol.

[ratmbola]

dont know if it was mentioned yet, but rage did
release a new live cd.
i like rage alot better than audioslave ( if i wanted to
hear cornell id just listen 2 soundgarden which in my
opinoin is better than audioslave also ).
alice in chains is ( best album had to be dirt ).
i got jar of flies but its a bit too acoustic for me.
as for pearl jam, i liked their older stuff a lot better
than their newer stuff.
nirvana is over rated i admit, in utero is way better than
nevermind.

[(*]

I bought the new live rage, awesome...the dvd is out on the 7th, I believe it includes footage of rage outside of the democratic national convention.

I was just listening to my audioslave cd in my car, they are great.

Pearl Jam is by far my fave, old and new.

I don&#39;t think Nirvana is overrated...I think they are exploited however

[ratmbola]

new dvd comes out the 9th ( im sure you can still get it the 7th seeing the cd was supposed to come out the 25th, yet it was in stores the 22nd ).
yea i want that live ratm cd so badly but also want that new pearl jam cd
and new pink floyd dvd ( dont know which of the 3 i should buy ).

[(*]

the new PJ cd (lost dogs) is really good. Several of the songs I already had off kazaa though...but for 11.98 (2 cds), what could beat that?

The new PJ dvd (2003 tour) is amazing...also 2cds for 11.98...great price.

[Chewillneverdie]

Alice in Chains fucking rocks, Jerry Cantrell is one hellof a guitarist (good singer too) AIC has way more talent than Rage tho. The song Rooster is pretty badass

[SgtPepper369]

Rage was awesome. Tom had his best days in Rage on guitar in my opinion. But Audioslave is more of a rock band. I love Rage Against The Machine, their video for "Sleep Now in the Fire" is one of my favorites ever. Tom Morello is probably one of the best guitarists in the past 20 years. But I think musically Audioslave has so far shown to be better. Lets see what else they can do in the future.

[Chewillneverdie]

Morello is great no doubt, but he tinkers with his guitar to get those sounds, listen to Zakk Wylde to here pure talent. Oh i still love Tom but no comparison to Wylde or Cantrell or Darrell

[SgtPepper369]

Personally I think Tom Morello&#39;s greatness comes from him doing all those tricks with a guitar. Who has done that before him ? (listen to the harmonica soundy thing on "Guerrilla Radio".)

Eric Clapton is my favorite guitarist because I&#39;m a big fan of blues music. But I really can&#39;t tell you who is the greatest. Maybe Jimi Hendrix or Jimi Page ?

[ratmbola]

jimmy pages riffs are so distinguishable..
my fav guitarist.