communism and anarchism

[mrld1630]

Question; what's the relation between Anarchism and Communism (and I'm not talking about anarcho-communism lol)?

[Искра]

They both have same political roots but they separated after First Internationale.

[Bronco]

In a sentence; both want to ultimately see a stateless and classless society

[Broletariat]

Both are attempted expressions at dismantling Capitalism, and erecting Communism. Anarchism at its worst is liberal and moralistic. Communism at its worst is Mao/Stalin.

Communism at its best is indistinguishable from Anarchism at its best, see Anarchist Spain.

[Azraella]

Question; what's the relation between Anarchism and Communism (and I'm not talking about anarcho-communism lol)?

Anarchism is merely an anti-state and anti-capitalist ideology, it encompasses a wide variety of ideologies that range from very extreme to moderately tame.

Communism is stateless and classless(and without wages, property, and markets)

They intersect at being stateless and classless and not capitalist, but that's it.

[Manic Impressive]

"The terms anarchist, socialist, communist should be so "mixed" together, that no muddlehead could tell which is which. Language serves not only the purpose of distinguishing things but also of uniting them- for it is dialectic." Joseph Dietzgen

[mrld1630]

Then why did the USSR kill off all the Anarchists in the russian revolution?

[Broletariat]

Then why did the USSR kill off all the Anarchists in the russian revolution?

Because the USSR wasn't really communist in any Marxist sense of the word. It was Capitalism pure and simple.

[ZeroNowhere]

Anarchism is based on opposition to hierarchy and similar moral principles, while communism is based upon the analysis of capitalism and human history, basing its socialism ultimately upon immanent historical necessity. Another major difference, I suppose, is that not all anarchists are socialists, at least going by what is considered anarchism by most anarchists; some, such as the authors of Black Flame, do oppose the inclusion of writers like Proudhon and the 'individualist anarchists' within the classification, although they're generally in a minority. In addition, communism, or Marxism, is generally less voluntaristic than most anarchism (and most 'Marxism'.) Of course, there are multiple senses in which 'communism' can be used, and I'm primarily using that of the Communist Manifesto and such, which is similar to Engels' later term 'scientific socialism'.

Perhaps relevant, as far as communism is concerned:

Now as for myself, I do not claim to have discovered either the existence of classes in modern society or the struggle between them. Long before me, bourgeois historians had described the historical development of this struggle between the classes, as had bourgeois economists their economic anatomy. My own contribution was 1. to show that the existence of classes is merely bound up with certain historical phases in the development of production; 2. that the class struggle necessarily leads to the dictatorship of the proletariat; 3. that this dictatorship itself constitutes no more than a transition to the abolition of all classes and to a classless society.