Why are leftist ignoring the threat of fundamentalist Islam?

[Maslo]

This was initially only a reaction to post by RGacky, but I think the topic warrants its own thread.


Racism won't come back in jackboots and a bomber jacket, it will come back in a suit and a tie, hell it IS back, its called islamophobia.

Islam is not a race. Islamophobia is not racism, and IMHO its perfectly reasonable, when 37% (!) of young British muslims claimed they would prefer Sharia Law over British secular law (and this number has increasing tendency - the study, from 2007, is already probably an understatement).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jan/29/thinktanks.religion

Also this:
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7328/2010muslim0113.png

I dont know about you, but these statistics are truly frightening to me. How can you not be alarmed when nearly a third of 16 to 24-year-olds muslims IN BRITAIN believed that those converting to another religion should be executed? Or 82% of the polled in Egypt believe adulterers should be stoned? I would say this is worse than Nazism... :(

I seriously dont understand why leftists, people who should be wary against any threat of fundamentalist religion or extremist opinions and should always be ready to defend atheism, humanism and women/LGBT rights turn a blind eye to the growing threat of fundamentalist islam and growing prevalence of blatantly extremist and antihumanist/antiegalitarian opinions it brings about, especially among the young people. Not only ignoring, leftist often immidiately dismiss even moderately worded and legitimate concerns as "racism" or newspeak "islamophobia". Why? It only serves to alienate concerned people from the left of the political spectrum, and works to drive away people with legitimate concerns to the right, thus ultimately AIDING the true racists, not even talking about aiding the fundamentalist islamists. Its no surprise people are turning more to the right, when there is no left alternative even recognizing their concerns.

I believe the Left should take a more decisive stance against this issue, and not only because ignorance of this problem greatly damages leftist PR and aids the right, but because I believe it IS a real issue that should not be ignored. We already know very well where ignorance of extremism leads, and religious extremism is no exception..

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Leftist do fight against Islam,just as they fight against all reactionary elements within society.

One must remember that there is a difference between fighting Islamaphobia and condoning Islam as a practice (especially a fundamental practice).

[ComradeMan]

Leftist do fight against Islam,just as they fight against all reactionary elements within society.

One must remember that there is a difference between fighting Islamaphobia and condoning Islam as a practice (especially a fundamental practice).

Except those who you seek to protect may not respect you unless you condone Islam. :crying:

Tricky one.... most muslims are not "fundamentalists" however...

[Robert]

The answer to your question is that radical Islam opposes western Imperialism.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Your point that they intend to go a lot farther than merely driving the Jews out of Israel and the Americans out of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, i.e., impose Sharia everywhere, shouldn't be lost on the Left.

But it is.

[thefinalmarch]

http://www.titaniumteddybear.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/sailor-says-there-be-a-shit-storm-brewing-300x300.jpg

[Maslo]

Leftist do fight against Islam,just as they fight against all reactionary elements within society.

One must remember that there is a difference between fighting Islamaphobia and condoning Islam as a practice (especially a fundamental practice).

Do they? Most of them dont even recognize there is a problem with fundamentalist islam in the majority of the middle east, much less among western european muslim immigrants, and when they even recognise it, they blame it on "racists" or "white men" scapegoats and never on the muslim minority themselves. Because according to them, minorities and immigrants can never be accused of anything.

[brigadista]

another islam thread....dont think the world threat is islam - we are looking at white rich xtian men really being the problem here if you put it all in perspective

[khad]

Do they? Most of them dont even recognize there is a problem with fundamentalist islam in the majority of the middle east, much less among western european muslim immigrants, and when they even recognise it, they blame it on "racists" or "white men" scapegoats and never on the muslim minority themselves. Because according to them, minorities and immigrants can never be accused of anything.

While you may have had a legitimate point with your original post, this delves into the "all muslims/immigrants are extremists" fearmongering that the right loves so much. If anything, people like you drive more immigrants into extremist religion

Enjoy your ban, racist.

[Dean]

Let's do a poll of citizens of US and European imperial nations.

-Should the US have killed 210,000 people in Hiroshima/Nagasaki?
-Should police officers have the right to use lethal force against fleeing criminals or otherwise against non-violent offenders?
-Are the civilian deaths in US wars justified?
-Is the deliberate targeting of Palestinian civilians and civilian infrastructure justified?

Usually, you'll find little or no provocation is needed to justify all sorts of murder and the wallowing in disembodied human organs. Its not clear to me how the provincial sexism and racism among Muslims is particularly concerning, when the OP is not getting up in arms about "the left ignoring rural US/European racism or culturalism" or "the left ignoring rural Chinese sexism." There are people in all places that have absurd, reactionary ideas, and when pressured by belligerent foreign forces, they tend to solidify them, which is only the obvious response when the alternative is to lay down and submit to those who are bombing your villages with MQ-9 Reaper drones.

No wonder liberalism is so despised in much of the developing world - it is purveyed by the same folk who have absolutely no value for the lives of the locals, a fact proven by the complex system of drones haphazardly murdering locals daily.