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Susurrus
1st November 2011, 03:02
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So apparently Chavez recommends reading Kropotkin? Could someone translate it for me?

Susurrus
2nd November 2011, 04:17
Please?

The Jay
2nd November 2011, 04:23
My spanish is really rough, but he's definitely giving commentary on what he's reading (something about building a new life with socialism or something). He's talking about some defective democracy I think. That's my attempt, sorry for it being so gruff.

Patagonia
2nd November 2011, 04:26
Gimme a few minutes and I will deliver comrade.

Patagonia
2nd November 2011, 05:10
This is an excerpt from a letter that Peter Kropotkin sent to Lenin, Vladimir Ilich Lenin, who at the moment was still the leader of the Russian Revolution, unfortunately he [Lenin] died a few years later. This was written the fourth of march of 1920. I am going to read all of it, it's just one page though. I think its vital to take this as a reference of what began to happen in the Soviet Union just as the Russian Revolution started. I quote:

"Without the participation of local forces, without an organization from below of the peasants and workers themselves, it is impossible to build a new life."

Think about [turns page] the phrase that the comrade Kropotkin uses: "a new life". What is that "new life"? Is it socialism?

[Repeats the quote] "Without the participation of local forces, without an organization from below of the peasants and workers themselves, it is impossible to build a new life."

[Keeps reading]

"It would seem that the soviets should have served precisely this function of creating an organization from below. But Russia has already become a Soviet Republic only in name."

1920, that started wrong, it would seem, the same thing says Che, hm. And what starts bad... [crowd: ends bad]. Allright yes, you can amend it in time, but they did not amend it in time, they failed to detect the evils at work.

[Repeats part of the last quote, again]

"But Russia has already become a Soviet Republic only in name. The influx and taking over of the people by the : "party"..."

Party beetween quoting marks, it's not really talking about the Party, but of a false Party, as it is between quoting marks.

[Keeps reading]..."that is, predominantly the newcomers (the ideological communists are more in the urban centers), has already destroyed the influence and constructive energy of this promising institution – the soviets. At present, it is the party committees, not the soviets, who rule in Russia. And their organization suffers from the defects of bureaucratic organization.

To move away from the current disorder, Russia must return to the creative genius of local forces which as I see it, can be a factor in the creation of a new life. And the sooner that the necessity of this way is understood, the better. People will then be all the more likely to accept [new] social forms of life. If the present situation continues, the very word “socialism” will turn into a curse. This is what happened to the conception of “equality” in France for forty years after the rule of the Jacobins."

Allright, well, this is an excerpt of Piotr's, or Peter's Kropotkin letter to Lenin, warning him. Lenin died, and then came Stalin, and with him came stalinism, and the bureaucratization of everything. We must see this, the United Socialist Party of Venezuela. I'm sure that most of us here now are members of the Party, right?

[Crowd says "yes"]

Allright, lets raise our hands, all of us who are militant members, the vast majority. Long live the Socialist Party!

[Crowd: Viva!]

Right? The only party that can do what we are doing. You all know, the time limit for new militants to register/enroll has been extended. We are now more than one million, and most of the members are very young. Young and very young alike. That gives the Party new life, a future, a new impulse... and some of us, me included, have done our "updates" [data updading of the members, as he explains], we have more or less three million "updated" members.

Anyway, the Party cannot take possesion of the communal councils. Am I not right?

[Crowd answers "no"]

No, do not allow it people. No, the communal council can not be an appendix of the Party, if we did that we would be killing the baby. What is "the baby"? The communal councils are. If we did that, we would be producing an abortion, do not allow it! Just don't! The Party helps, as it has to do, the Party impulses society, as it has to do. The communal council cannot be an appendage of the local goverments [town halls]. It cannot be, it should not be. Do not let it happen. The communal councils, the communes, cannot be appendages of any kind of government, or of the ministry, not even of President Chavez. They are of the people, they were created by the masses. They are yours!

2nd November 2011, 05:25
damn...

ZeroNowhere
2nd November 2011, 05:26
Chavez is an anti-abortion revisionist.