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B5C
31st October 2011, 19:46
This is from a foreclosure mill's Halloween Party:

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On Friday, the law firm of Steven J. Baum threw a Halloween party. The firm, which is located near Buffalo, is what is commonly referred to as a “foreclosure mill” firm, meaning it represents banks and mortgage servicers as they attempt to foreclose on homeowners and evict them from their homes. Steven J. Baum is, in fact, the largest such firm in New York; it represents virtually all the giant mortgage lenders, including Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America and Wells Fargo.

The party is the firm’s big annual bash. Employees wear Halloween costumes to the office, where they party until around noon, and then return to work, still in costume. I can’t tell you how people dressed for this year’s party, but I can tell you about last year’s.

That’s because a former employee of Steven J. Baum recently sent me snapshots of last year’s party. In an e-mail, she said that she wanted me to see them because they showed an appalling lack of compassion toward the homeowners — invariably poor and down on their luck — that the Baum firm had brought foreclosure proceedings against.

When we spoke later, she added that the snapshots are an accurate representation of the firm’s mind-set. “There is this really cavalier attitude,” she said. “It doesn’t matter that people are going to lose their homes.” Nor does the firm try to help people get mortgage modifications; the pressure, always, is to foreclose. I told her I wanted to post the photos on The Times’s Web site so that readers could see them. She agreed, but asked to remain anonymous because she said she fears retaliation.

Let me describe a few of the photos. In one, two Baum employees are dressed like homeless people. One is holding a bottle of liquor. The other has a sign around her neck that reads: “3rd party squatter. I lost my home and I was never served.” My source said that “I was never served” is meant to mock “the typical excuse” of the homeowner trying to evade a foreclosure proceeding.

A second picture shows a coffin with a picture of a woman whose eyes have been cut out. A sign on the coffin reads: “Rest in Peace. Crazy Susie.” The reference is to Susan Chana Lask, a lawyer who had filed a class-action suit against Steven J. Baum — and had posted a YouTube video denouncing the firm’s foreclosure practices. “She was a thorn in their side,” said my source.

A third photograph shows a corner of Baum’s office decorated to look like a row of foreclosed homes. Another shows a sign that reads, “Baum Estates” — needless to say, it’s also full of foreclosed houses. Most of the other pictures show either mock homeless camps or mock foreclosure signs — or both. My source told me that not every Baum department used the party to make fun of the troubled homeowners they made their living suing. But some clearly did. The adjective she’d used when she sent them to me — “appalling” — struck me as exactly right.

These pictures are hardly the first piece of evidence that the Baum firm treats homeowners shabbily — or that it uses dubious legal practices to do so. It is under investigation by the New York attorney general, Eric Schneiderman. It recently agreed to pay $2 million to resolve an investigation by the Department of Justice into whether the firm had “filed misleading pleadings, affidavits, and mortgage assignments in the state and federal courts in New York.” (In the press release announcing the settlement, Baum acknowledged only that “it occasionally made inadvertent errors.”)

MFY Legal Services, which defends homeowners, and Harwood Feffer, a large class-action firm, have filed a class-action suit claiming that Steven J. Baum has consistently failed to file certain papers that are necessary to allow for a state-mandated settlement conference that can lead to a modification. Judge Arthur Schack of the State Supreme Court in Brooklyn once described Baum’s foreclosure filings as “operating in a parallel mortgage universe, unrelated to the real universe.” (My source told me that one Baum employee dressed up as Judge Schack at a previous Halloween party.)

I saw the firm operate up close when I wrote several columns about Lilla Roberts, a 73-year-old homeowner who had spent three years in foreclosure hell. Although she had a steady income and was a good candidate for a modification, the Baum firm treated her mercilessly.

When I called a press spokesman for Steven J. Baum to ask about the photographs, he sent me a statement a few hours later. “It has been suggested that some employees dress in ... attire that mocks or attempts to belittle the plight of those who have lost their homes,” the statement read. “Nothing could be further from the truth.” It described this column as “another attempt by The New York Times to attack our firm and our work.”

I encourage you to look at the photographs with this column on the Web. Then judge for yourself the veracity of Steven J. Baum’s denial.

Gail Collins is off today.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/opinion/what-the-costumes-reveal.html?_r=2#h

a rebel
31st October 2011, 19:57
Wow really? what the fuck is wrong with these people?....I'm so disgusted, so many things you can say, but....wow really?

Bardo
31st October 2011, 20:03
They laugh now...

hatzel
31st October 2011, 20:09
Seems #FF was right... (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2280047&postcount=82)

Franz Fanonipants
31st October 2011, 20:12
well u see guys i don't see how this can be seen as classist cus that could be any group of homeless people and

khad
31st October 2011, 20:15
So, according to revleft, joking about foreclosed homeless people is sickening, while calling muslims terrorists is "just a joke, so get over it."

http://www.revleft.com/vb/were-culture-not-t163524/index.html

My, what double standards asshats have,

Bardo
31st October 2011, 20:23
well u see guys i don't see how this can be seen as classist cus that could be any group of homeless people and

Yeah, it looks pretty authentic to me. :rolleyes:

B5C
31st October 2011, 20:40
So, according to revleft, joking about foreclosed homeless people is sickening, while calling muslims terrorists is "just a joke, so get over it."

http://www.revleft.com/vb/were-culture-not-t163524/index.html

My, what double standards asshats have,

I agree as well. I've lived in a Muslim nation as well. A lot of them hate the "terrorist" stereotype.

Skooma Addict
31st October 2011, 20:58
If that is for real it is disgusting. I absolutely hate lawyers. Every one of them are scum.

hatzel
31st October 2011, 22:11
A lot of them hate the "terrorist" stereotype.

You're yanking my chain, right? I mean, you're actually yanking me? You're seriously telling me they don't like that?

(Sorry for bringing the other thread into this thread, but this is the kind of common sense statement that many seem totally oblivious to. Thanks, B5C, for pointing out the blindingly obvious, whilst so many seem so incapable of doing so :))

Bud Struggle
31st October 2011, 22:24
If that is for real it is disgusting. I absolutely hate lawyers. Every one of them are scum.

And now we see the lawyer stereotype rearing its ugly head.

Drosophila
1st November 2011, 02:33
If that is for real it is disgusting. I absolutely hate lawyers. Every one of them are scum.

yay for over-generalization

Commissar Rykov
1st November 2011, 02:38
So, according to revleft, joking about foreclosed homeless people is sickening, while calling muslims terrorists is "just a joke, so get over it."

http://www.revleft.com/vb/were-culture-not-t163524/index.html

My, what double standards asshats have,
Indeed, I seriously question why I come here at times this would be one of them. OMG get over the racism darkies. OMGZ they are making fun of the poor off with their heads!

Do any of you think before you post or is it just showing your true colors?

ZeroNowhere
1st November 2011, 02:39
Looks like one of those things which they do in liberal private schools to make themselves feel like they're raising awareness.

Che a chara
1st November 2011, 02:46
And now we see the lawyer stereotype rearing its ugly head.

The vast majority of lawyers (defence and prosecution), especially in the 'West', will use the same 'dirty tricks' and loopholes for any case -- be it murder, rape, theft or a protester getting battoned. Their reputation and existence is dependant on 'results'. Although I agree with your sentiments, slime always seem to weasel their way to immunity or a lesser charge via lawyers -- but they are necessary.

*edit*


slime always seem to weasel their way to immunity or a lesser charge via lawyers

And vice-versa -- the little man/woman will get kicked while on the ground for the stingiest of offences

RGacky3
1st November 2011, 08:24
Is it just me, or as inequality grows the ruling class becomes more smugish and douchy, it reminds me of france right before the revolution.

Bud Struggle
1st November 2011, 11:12
Is it just me, or as inequality grows the ruling class becomes more smugish and douchy, it reminds me of france right before the revolution.

Except those guys certainly aren't the ruling class. They ae worker bees that could be unionized. None of those people are makin $500.000 doing paperwork for reposessing homes for banks.

You never see the ruling class.

brigadista
1st November 2011, 11:21
If that is for real it is disgusting. I absolutely hate lawyers. Every one of them are scum.

in the uk right now legal aid lawyers are fighting against the legal aid cuts which will deprive poor and working people of free legal representation against landlords , bosses,immigration authoriities,against removal of welfare benefits- in mental health tribunals and representation for those accused of crimes - for representation of women escaping domestic violence... I could go on

also in the US there are some great lawyers doing death penalty appeals work ....

none of these lawyers are paid very much so -

define the lawyers - i think you mean corporate and commercial lawyers

RGacky3
1st November 2011, 11:23
Except those guys certainly aren't the ruling class. They ae worker bees that could be unionized. None of those people are makin $500.000 doing paperwork for reposessing homes for banks.

You never see the ruling class.

Your right, they arn't the ruling class, but they clearly are on the side of the ruling class.

Bud Struggle
1st November 2011, 11:36
Your right, they arn't the ruling class, but they clearly are on the side of the ruling class.

The Ruling Class doesn't hate the Proletariat, they eally don't care about them much at all--but they don't hate them. It's the Proletariat that hates the Proletariat.

RGacky3
1st November 2011, 11:38
These guys are not proletariat either ... Chances are they are making pretty good money.

The ruling class does'nt hate the proletariat, why would they, the proletariat is below them, they are their servents.

These douch bags don't hate the proletariate either, they just have a discusting amount of disdain for them.

Manic Impressive
1st November 2011, 11:45
Seems #FF was right... (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2280047&postcount=82)
except there's not really that many people raging. When you posted that only two people had replied to the thread. And personally I'm not pissed off or offended by them dressing up as homeless people, they're just fucking idiots, simple as. It's doesn't effect me or my life, being made homeless profoundly effected my life but people taking the piss doesn't.

Tim Cornelis
1st November 2011, 11:57
So, according to revleft, joking about foreclosed homeless people is sickening, while calling muslims terrorists is "just a joke, so get over it."

http://www.revleft.com/vb/were-culture-not-t163524/index.html

My, what double standards asshats have,

Dressing up as a muslim terrorist does not equal calling all muslims terrorists. Dressing up as a geisha does not equal calling all asian women submissive and dumb.
Dressing up as a ninja, does not equal calling all Japanese people murderers.

hatzel
1st November 2011, 12:47
These guys are not proletariat either ... Chances are they are making pretty good money.

It is my understanding that the latter has nothing to do with the former. In Marxist theory, that is.

RGacky3
1st November 2011, 13:02
It does in a way, not exactly, proletarian according to marx are people who NEED to work as wage labor to survive, i.e. they are compelled too. If you don't need to work as wage labor and still make a really good living, then your not a proletarian.

Bud Struggle
1st November 2011, 13:14
It does in a way, not exactly, proletarian according to marx are people who NEED to work as wage labor to survive, i.e. they are compelled too. If you don't need to work as wage labor and still make a really good living, then your not a proletarian.

These people are cubicleistas.

RGacky3
1st November 2011, 13:16
I doubt it, maybe their secretaries and low level paper pushers are, but the lawers working for goldman sachs, JP morgan and citigroup are not cubicleistas.

Sputnik_1
1st November 2011, 18:06
oh, so that's how rich people party O_o
boring callous fucks...

Bud Struggle
1st November 2011, 19:30
oh, so that's how rich people party O_o
boring callous fucks...

What you are missing here is this is "Class Consiousness at work. These aren't rich people dressing up here--these are people one paycheck away from being forclosed on themselves.

Rich people would never do this--Proletarians do it to themselves. This isn't about how the rich mock the poor--but how the poor mock themselves.

ComradeMan
1st November 2011, 19:31
There are good lawyers and bad lawyers, just like every other profession- but I maintain that persons of law are a fundamental part of a democratic society, just like a free press.

Skooma Addict
2nd November 2011, 01:22
There are good lawyers and bad lawyers, just like every other profession- but I maintain that persons of law are a fundamental part of a democratic society, just like a free press.

However, the law profession has more bad people than the vast majority of the other professions.

Robert
2nd November 2011, 01:35
Every one of them are scum.


then ...


However, the law profession has more bad people than the vast majority of the other professions.

Well, either the lawyers are getting better or you've softened your position.

Which is good.

Skooma Addict
2nd November 2011, 02:21
then ...



Well, either the lawyers are getting better or you've softened your position.

Which is good.

When I said "every one of them were scum" I didn't mean "every ONE of them were scum."

Dean
2nd November 2011, 02:41
If that is for real it is disgusting. I absolutely hate lawyers. Every one of them are scum.

This is absurd. What makes lawyers fundamentally scum while entrepreneurs are not?

Robert
2nd November 2011, 02:47
When I said "every one of them were scum" I didn't mean "every ONE of them were scum."

Oh.

What's the diff?



This is absurd. What makes lawyers fundamentally scum while entrepreneurs are not? Eh? Did he say anything comparatively less invidious about entrepreneurs?

ZeroNowhere
2nd November 2011, 02:50
This is absurd. What makes lawyers fundamentally scum while entrepreneurs are not?
Well, lawyers are not the foundations of our glorious nation.

Skooma Addict
2nd November 2011, 03:03
This is absurd. What makes lawyers fundamentally scum while entrepreneurs are not?

Well for one thing entrepreneurs are actually productive members of society, while you could not say the same for many lawyers, and the BAR lobbies to stop legal reforms. Lawyers are basically like politicians, and that is why so many politicians are former Lawyers. It takes the same mentality to succeed as a lawyer as it does a politician. Also, do you think all of the thousands of lawyer jokes just exist for no reason? There are no entrepreneur jokes.

Skooma Addict
2nd November 2011, 03:06
Oh.

What's the diff?


In one case the word "one" is capitalized. In the other, it is not.

The Dark Side of the Moon
2nd November 2011, 03:21
So, according to revleft, joking about foreclosed homeless people is sickening, while calling muslims terrorists is "just a joke, so get over it."

http://www.revleft.com/vb/were-culture-not-t163524/index.html

My, what double standards asshats have,

On top of that, it's perfectly ok for someone to kill someone, but when the state tride to kill someone for murdering someone else it horrible.
But enough about that



Just appalling, not even funny. Working on Halloween? How dare those employers

Dean
2nd November 2011, 03:23
Well for one thing entrepreneurs are actually productive members of society, while you could not say the same for many lawyers, and the BAR lobbies to stop legal reforms.
The bar does not represent all lawyers, and it would be in poor form to even claim that it represented most lawyers. It is certainly controlled by a clique or subculture within the lawyer community, which has very strong ties to other relevant industries - i.e. government and corporate bureaucracies.

Entrepreneurs are not necessarily productive. As the enablers of specific entitlement payouts, such as punitive damages against malicious or negligent defendants, I would find it hard to argue that lawyers are not "productive."

After all, electricity cannot be conducted without the necessary conduits. If a silicon wafer didn't need aluminum conduits to move electricity, it might be nice. But it needs it, and of your own admission, so too are lawyers needed in a "free society." (even though I'm not sure I agree with the specific point). Indeed, produce means specifically to draw out, not to conjure up as is the typical characterization of the "productive entrepreneur" who buys constant capital and exploits variable capital.

I don't see how the productive input of lawyers is unique in this respect, certainly not in any way that might make them worse.


Lawyers are basically like politicians, and that is why so many politicians are former Lawyers. It takes the same mentality to succeed as a lawyer as it does a politician.
How are CEOs and wall st traders not politicians? Indeed, any high-profile professional career requires political tact. And CEOs accumulate much more publicity, and arguably power than Lawyers.



Also, do you think all of the thousands of lawyer jokes just exist for no reason? There are no entrepreneur jokes.
Typical Skooma appeals to some mystical shared truth

MattShizzle
2nd November 2011, 21:03
Fucking swine. They certainly won't be laughing if they're around when the revolution comes.

Bud Struggle
2nd November 2011, 21:06
Fucking swine. They certainly won't be laughing if they're around when the revolution comes.

And they will be your Proletariat neighbors.

You see the problem?

B5C
22nd November 2011, 10:22
Oh well there is Karma:

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/homeless_halloween_firm_goes_under.php

The Halloween party KILLED their own business.