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el_chavista
31st October 2011, 15:09
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Rally in solidarity with Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, comandante "Carlos," on Tuesday November 1st at 12 noon at the Ombudsman's Office (next to the pilot school Venezuela), Caracas.

We asked the Venezuelan government for an intervention in defense of the revolutionary internationalist who is kidnapped, illegally detained and tortured for 17 years by the NATO government of France.

How the French state violates the human rights of Ilich?

Beginning with having committed the kidnapping and unlawful imprisonment.

Confinement for long periods of time, far beyond the provisions of the laws and conventions.

Denial of the opportunity to study.

No conjugal visits, in a perverse action to Isabel (wife and defense attorney) and Ilich.

Ilich has been beaten on several occasions. Other prisoners have been sent to attack him. He has been assaulted by some guards.

He is moved in a metal box, a metal trunk of 90cm x 90cm base and 1.50 m high, with solid walls, with a "little hole" to look inside.

He was locked there, squatting because Ilich is 1.80 m and he does not fit into the drawer. In addition he was handcuffed in the back and had to go in that position for three hours, which is the time the transfer from jail to court lasts.

Not enough, they have returned him between 15 and 20 minutes after arriving at the court because the judge's call is generated not for a specific procedure, but as an excuse to generate the transfer, for the method of torture.

His correspondence have been retained.

He was tortured by sleep-deprivation technique (they lit and turned off the light every hour, every night, for one year).

This is regarding violations of prison conditions. Additionally, there are violations of his rights as a defendant which any officer who is half decided in this government to address these irregularities has a fertile ground in them for claims against the French state.

Art Vandelay
31st October 2011, 17:21
While I agree that if that treatment is truly going on then it is regrettable and should be stopped, however Carlos has alot of innocent blood on his hands and is in no way a revolutionary to me, but a terrorist.

el_chavista
31st October 2011, 20:26
Kissinger and the thousands of dead he provoked during Allende's downfall in Chile, Negroponte and the thousands of dead in El Salvador, Posada Carriles (Bush family terrorist). Why are they unpunished?

danyboy27
31st October 2011, 21:26
Kissinger and the thousands of dead he provoked during Allende's downfall in Chile, Negroponte and the thousands of dead in El Salvador, Posada Carriles (Bush family terrorist). Why are they unpunished?

Its hardly an argument for the liberation of Carlos.
the guy was a douchebag who killed innocent civilians for money. Granted, it was ''socialist'' money, but he was still a mercenary.

Smyg
31st October 2011, 21:37
Kissinger and the thousands of dead he provoked during Allende's downfall in Chile, Negroponte and the thousands of dead in El Salvador, Posada Carriles (Bush family terrorist). Why are they unpunished?

Worst. Argument. Ever.

Art Vandelay
31st October 2011, 22:03
Kissinger and the thousands of dead he provoked during Allende's downfall in Chile, Negroponte and the thousands of dead in El Salvador, Posada Carriles (Bush family terrorist). Why are they unpunished?

If you asked me to support a movement for securing punishment for one of those people I would be all for it, but you did not. You ask for support for a terrorist who planted bombs in public locations which resulted in the death of innocent civilians, the same people he claimed to be fighting for. Maybe in your skewed view he is an "international revolutionary" but truthfully he is a narcissistic terrorist scum.

Rafiq
31st October 2011, 22:35
Carlos is now a supporter of Islamism, and I think he converted recently, abondoning his former, revolutionary socialist politics.

The truth is, is that Carlos was an opportunist. He didn't care about the emancipation of the proletariat and didn't care about politics at all probably.

R_P_A_S
31st October 2011, 23:17
Great movie though? You guys seen it?

el_chavista
1st November 2011, 00:59
Its hardly an argument for the liberation of Carlos.We're not asking for his liberation, but for his repatriation, according to international agreements, so he fulfils any sentence whatever in Venezuela, where he can be healed from his sickness.

the guy was a douchebag who killed innocent civilians for money.Hello... and what did Kissinger, Negroponte and Posada Carriles do? The difference is the huge number of assassinations these blue collar terrorists are culprit of.


Great movie though? You guys seen it?
I think they diiiiid.

LeftAtheist
1st November 2011, 01:10
He was a terrorist mercenary who didn't care who he killed. I'm not even convinced he cared about what he was meant to be fighting for, seeing as he was so devoted to himself.

el_chavista
1st November 2011, 03:15
Well, I can't help it if you consider morally bad the "years of lead" in Europe from the last 1960s to the early 1980s.

Art Vandelay
1st November 2011, 08:30
El Chavista you do realize that Carlos did not like communists? He even openly stated that he did not trust marxist-leninists, converted to islam and was considered by practically anyone who ever did research on him to be a man without politics.

danyboy27
1st November 2011, 17:21
We're not asking for his liberation, but for his repatriation, according to international agreements, so he fulfils any sentence whatever in Venezuela, where he can be healed from his sickness.

The living condition and accesibility to doctor in french prison are far better than those in venezuela, why would you ever want him to move out?



Hello... and what did Kissinger, Negroponte and Posada Carriles do? The difference is the huge number of assassinations these blue collar terrorists are culprit of..
its not an argument for supporting a guy who killed civilians for money.
No one here disagree that there is a double standard regarding certain kind of criminals, but then again, this is hardly an argument for supporting Carlos actions.

with that crazy logic i could argues that the folks in palestine who blew up buses a fews year ago did a great thing beccause the israeli governement killed a lot of civilians and went unpunished.