Kosovo

[Nox]

What is the Communist view on the Kosovo dispute/conflict?

[Kamos]

Well, either you support the "national liberation" hogwash or you view it just like any other bourgeois territorial dispute (irrelevant).

[thefinalmarch]

It's the result of dumb ethnic conflicts which work against the workers' movement.

[Stork]

Ideal solution: no states, no problem
Most satisfactory statist "solution": democratic self-determinism dictates which government "owns" Kosovo or if it's independent, but with dual citizenship like the Good Friday agreement.

[tir1944]

It's very complicated and i don't think that there's an "universal" communist view on the issue.
The longest thread in the Balkan Section is about Kosovo,you can check it out with G.Translate.

[YugoslavSocialist]

I am a Serb and a Communist and Kosovo is not at all independent but it is an American colony.

http://www.workers.org/2008/world/kosovo_0228/
http://www.iacenter.org/pdf/Serbia022308.pdf

[greenjuice]

Yes, Kosovo has the 2nd largest in Europe/5th lagest in the world reserves of brown coal, and the USA administration requested an economic evalution of the Trencha mine complex two years before the war, so it would seem that the NATO "intervetion" in Yugoslavia/ Kosovo is pretty much like the oil intervetions in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.

If someone's interested, you can type "Noam Chomsky about Serbia, Kosovo, Yugoslavia and NATO war" in YouTube and hear his opinions on that situation.

[Manic Impressive]

The correct position regarding any war is no war but the class war.

[Thirsty Crow]

The correct position regarding any war is no war but the class war.
But the issue is more broad than the question of immediate threat of war.

It concerns national liberation and independence, with or without war, and is intimately linked with the question of imperialism.

And in my opinion, all of those who uphold the so called right of nations to self-determination should do so consistently and not fall unto blatantly opportunistic trap of the minutiae of geopolitical and realpolitik reasoning. This would be understandable if the Soviet Union was not dismantled and still existed as a rallying force for so called communists, so that supporting all kinds of national liberation struggles which result only in one kind or another of a protectorate and a client state for the USSR would make sense as it would appear as, direct or not, support for the beacon of the working class.

And what about the current situation? Sure you could go down that road and end up praising the likes of the Lybian and Syrian states as, I don't know, deformed semi-workers states (certain traits of Trotskyism comes really handy for anti-trots) and deny that very same "right" when it comes to American "neo-colonies" or whatever. And of course, the not so imperialist, lesser evil of the Chinese and Russian states.

As for me, I'm with you on this one. No war but class war, and an assessment of national liberation as nothing else that a bourgeois project which workers as workers have no stake in.

[B5C]

I am a Serb and a Communist and Kosovo is not at all independent but it is an American colony.

http://www.workers.org/2008/world/kosovo_0228/
http://www.iacenter.org/pdf/Serbia022308.pdf

There is no implication that I support US imperalism, but an American Colony?

It was more of an UK colony when they first got into Kosovo, but no there are more Italians and Germans than US troops on the ground in Kosovo.

Also my father was first troops entering Kosovo as part of KFOR. I hate military intervention, but damn the brutality of both Ethnic-Albanians and Serbs have done to each other. The ethnic cleansing had to stop some way. The mass graves done by Serbs and Kosovo Albanains still gives my father nightmares.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

There is no implication that I support US imperalism, but an American Colony?

It was more of an UK colony when they first got into Kosovo, but no there are more Italians and Germans than US troops on the ground in Kosovo.

Also my father was first troops entering Kosovo as part of KFOR. I hate military intervention, but damn the brutality of both Ethnic-Albanians and Serbs have done to each other. The ethnic cleansing had to stop some way. The mass graves done by Serbs and Kosovo Albanains still gives my father nightmares.

Imperialism is hardly a way to stop ethnic cleansing.
You sound like an imperialist-apologist,“ communism had to be stopped an thus Vietnam was justified and those poor soldier still have nightmares of those brutalities”.

Maybe your father should have nightmares about the atrocities of the army he fought for, which did just as many brutal things. I'm sure people still have nightmares about that.

[B5C]

Imperialism is hardly a way to stop ethnic cleansing.
You sound like an imperialist-apologist,“ communism had to be stopped an thus Vietnam was justified and those poor soldier still have nightmares of those brutalities”.

Maybe your father should have nightmares about the atrocities of the army he fought for, which did just as many brutal things. I'm sure people still have nightmares about that.

My father only joined the Army because we were poor and I had heavy mounts of medical needs he knew that civilian life could not afford. He was in the Army to feed and support his family. Did he want to go to Kosovo? Hell no. Did my father want to go any of Reagan & Bush's god damn wars? Hell no. Orders are orders and survability of family had to come first.

Also you should have heard the stories of that conflict. It was brutal and no civilians should have to deal with that.

What is your option? Let the Serbs and Kosovo Albanians keep on fighting until either every Serb is removed or dead in Kosovo or every ethnic Albanians is removed or dead in Kosovo.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

My father only joined the Army because we were poor and I had heavy mounts of medical needs he knew that civilian life could not afford. He was in the Army to feed and support his family. Did he want to go to Kosovo? Hell no. Did my father want to go any of Reagan & Bush's god damn wars? Hell no. Orders are orders and survability of family had to come first.

While I see the reasoning behind that and won't balme him for that does not mean I have to feel sympathy for imperialism.


Also you should have heard the stories of that conflict. It was brutal and no civilians should have to deal with that.

Yes, indeed. No civilian should have to deal with thousands tons of NATO bombs.



What is your option? Let the Serbs and Kosovo Albanians keep on fighting until either every Serb is removed or dead in Kosovo or every ethnic Albanians is removed or dead in Kosovo.

So here's your logic:
Serbia commits atrocities to Albanians so NATO atrocities are justified. The usual liberal defence of imperialism.

NATO intervention doesn't solve conflicts, it usually makes them worse. I don't pick sides in such conflicts, although the way you put it you try to make me look like a supporter of mass-murder because I prefer not sending NATO to bomb civilians.

Indeed, you didn't imply justification of imperialism, no you are open about it!

[B5C]

While I see the reasoning behind that and won't balme him for that does not mean I have to feel sympathy for imperialism.

I am not saying you should. My father was a tool for imperialism and nothing more. Should we blame the hammer or the person who wields the hammer?




Yes, indeed. No civilian should have to deal with thousands tons of NATO bombs.

True, but do you want the ethnic cleansing or near genocide of a ethic group in a region?





So here's your logic:
Serbia commits atrocities to Albanians so NATO atrocities are justified. The usual liberal defence of imperialism.


The Albanians also did some mass atrocities as well. The horrible thing about this that NATO had to pic a side. Would have it better if NATO choose Serbia to side with?



NATO intervention doesn't solve conflicts, it usually makes them worse. I don't pick sides in such conflicts, although the way you put it you try to make me look like a supporter of mass-murder because I prefer not sending NATO to bomb civilians.

Indeed, you didn't imply justification of imperialism, no you are open about it!

If NATO wasn't going to stop the ethic cleansing what will? The only way the ethic cleansing was going to stop without NATO or any foreign intervention is that either the Serbian won by removing all ethic-Albanians or the ethic Albania removed every Serb.

The Kosovo conflict is not similar to the conflict like Libya nor Syria. It wasn't a mere civil war and stayed that way. It has gotten too far when both groups thought the best way was to ethnically cleanse an entire region for their own group.

I believe ethic cleansing is not even a battle between the bourgeoisie and proletariat. It is worse than that.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

I am not saying you should. My father was a tool for imperialism and nothing more. Should we blame the hammer or the person who wields the hammer?

I blame the one who wields the hammer, capital.


True, but do you want the ethnic cleansing or near genocide of a ethic group in a region?

Yes, that was exactly what I was arguing.
No of course I don't want that, but not being too fond of ethnic cleansing doesn't mean I have to support NATO.


The Albanians also did some mass atrocities as well. The horrible thing about this that NATO had to pic a side. Would have it better if NATO choose Serbia to side with?

Aww, poor NATO having to pick a side. Why exactly did they have to pick a side? Why did they have to be there? If both sides commited atrocities, then sure NATO picking a side won't solve a conflict.


If NATO wasn't going to stop the ethic cleansing what will? The only way the ethic cleansing was going to stop without NATO or any foreign intervention is that either the Serbian won by removing all ethic-Albanians or the ethic Albania removed every Serb.

I don't see how NATO stopped the ethnic cleansing. I'd argue they made it worse.

[B5C]

I don't see how NATO stopped the ethnic cleansing. I'd argue they made it worse.

Maybe or maybe no, but the slippery slope argument is not a good argument against some sort of intervention in the Kosovo conflict.

I support one day for a borderless society which Serbs and Albanians could work together for the common good, but during the late 1990s that wasn't going to happen because the conflict has gotten worse.

NATO is an evil, but it was an lesser evil compared to the mass destruction of ethnic cleansing which was happening by both sides in Kosovo. Heck I wasn't a big fan of Kosovo Independence, but were stuck with it due the west involvement.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

Maybe or maybe no, but the slippery slope argument is not a good argument against some sort of intervention in the Kosovo conflict.

I support one day for a borderless society which Serbs and Albanians could work together for the common good, but during the late 1990s that wasn't going to happen because the conflict has gotten worse.

NATO is an evil, but it was an lesser evil compared to the mass destruction of ethnic cleansing which was happening by both sides in Kosovo. Heck I wasn't a big fan of Kosovo Independence, but were stuck with it due the west involvement.

Yeah, fuck lesser-evilism.
So let me get this straight. There are two sides that think ethnic cleansing is the best option. NATO chooses one of the two sides, remember one of the sides that thinks ethnic-cleansing is a good option.
Then NATO throws bombs on civilians and commits many more war-crimes.
Where does the stopping ethnic-cleansing come in again?
How do you think NATO supporting the Albanians by dropping bombs stopped the hate from the Serbian side?

[B5C]

Yeah, fuck lesser-evilism.
So let me get this straight. There are two sides that think ethnic cleansing is the best option. NATO chooses one of the two sides, remember one of the sides that thinks ethnic-cleansing is a good option.
Then NATO throws bombs on civilians and commits many more war-crimes.
Where does the stopping ethnic-cleansing come in again?
How do you think NATO supporting the Albanians by dropping bombs stopped the hate from the Serbian side?

Was there an option which would lead to the end of ethic cleansing without any foreign involment? I haven't heard anybody bring a counter offer which would end the conflict peacefully.

If someone has an alternative to NATO involment and has a reasonable response. I may accept it. I didn't see other good option on the table. Unless I missed something and was ignorant about it.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

Was there an option which would lead to the end of ethic cleansing without any foreign involment? I haven't heard anybody bring a counter offer which would end the conflict peacefully.

Abolishing capitalism. Although that does not seem possible in this case.
Wether Kosovans kill Serbians (or vice versa) or NATO does the job for them is not really important for me.
You are a liberal apologist for imperialist murder.

[B5C]

Abolishing capitalism. Although that does not seem possible in this case.
Wether Kosovans kill Serbians (or vice versa) or NATO does the job for them is not really important for me.
You are a liberal apologist for imperialist murder.

Really? That is all you can say. We should not help fellow men when in trouble or just leave them alone in the fear it maybe an imperialist plot.

Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait, and Mali was all about imperialism because it has resources which foreign powers can exploit. How about Kosovo? Oh it has coal. I rarely seen nations invades for low level coal for steam-electric power plants.

Kosovo wasn't about a war against class struggle. It was a battle against ethnicity. Workers were fighting workers & capitalists were fighting capitalists because one was Albanian Muslim or an Serbian Christian.

I want to see Capitalism destroyed too, but you missing another part in the equation. You do have religion into the mix as well. If region did get of capitalism. They will still be killing each other because one is Muslim or Christian.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

Really? That is all you can say. We should not help fellow men when in trouble or just leave them alone in the fear it maybe an imperialist plot.

Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait, and Mali was all about imperialism because it has resources which foreign powers can exploit. How about Kosovo? Oh it has coal. I rarely seen nations invades for low level coal for steam-electric power plants.

Kosovo wasn't about a war against class struggle. It was a battle against ethnicity. Workers were fighting workers & capitalists were fighting capitalists because one was Albanian Muslim or an Serbian Christian.

I want to see Capitalism destroyed too, but you missing another part in the equation. You do have religion into the mix as well. If region did get of capitalism. They will still be killing each other because one is Muslim or Christian.

How exactly was the bombing of thousands of civilians helping?
Sure thanks for destroying our land, what a bunch of fcking heroes.

I find it hard to believe that in a class society a struggle this big does not have a class aspect in it.

I also think that the hate between to religions did not come out of nowhere, there obviously were economic reasons for it as well. Which brings us back to capitalism.

You're an idealist if you think a organization that was created to stop communism would suddenly turn to help workers.

[B5C]

I also think that the hate between to religions did not come out of nowhere, there obviously were economic reasons for it as well. Which brings us back to capitalism.

You're an idealist if you think a organization that was created to stop communism would suddenly turn to help workers.

I never said NATO would help workers.

The Kosovo mess was more than just class struggle. Religion has some economic value, but I don't believe Christians Serbs came in wanted to kill all the Muslims for economic reasons. There would be a small perk that is not the main reason.

Remember you can be religious without being an Capitalist. Yet still having religion still lead to problems.

Also remember, this ethnic divide was still there even with Josip Broz Tito was in power. Tito had the power to keep that ethnic divide in check. Once he had died the power was removed and the ethnic divide came back in force.

If the Serbian aim in Kosovo was to preserve Yugoslavia then I would support it, but it went beyond that.

BTW: Negative Creep, have a good day. I am taking a break from this thread so I can focus on things outside my computer.

[YugoslavSocialist]

To all those people who are interested in the Yugoslav wars and Kosovo I recommend you guys watch Michael Parenti's speech or read his book.

Speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7SKFvPrQ-0

Book:
http://russia.free-books.biz/To-Kill-a-Nation-The-Attack-on-Yugoslavia-PDF-622.html

[B5C]

To all those people who are interested in the Yugoslav wars and Kosovo I recommend you guys watch Michael Parenti's speech or read his book.

Speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7SKFvPrQ-0

Book:
http://russia.free-books.biz/To-Kill-a-Nation-The-Attack-on-Yugoslavia-PDF-622.html


I will take a gander.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

I never said NATO would help workers.

Good, because they bombed them.


The Kosovo mess was more than just class struggle. Religion has some economic value, but I don't believe Christians Serbs came in wanted to kill all the Muslims for economic reasons. There would be a small perk that is not the main reason.

I see religion as something that rises in times where the economic situation is worse or as Marx would say: 'Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering'.
So I still think it was not "just" a religious fight.


Remember you can be religious without being an Capitalist. Yet still having religion still lead to problems.

I'd argue that problems make people turn to religion, although I would say that organised religion like the Church is laughable.


Also remember, this ethnic divide was still there even with Josip Broz Tito was in power. Tito had the power to keep that ethnic divide in check. Once he had died the power was removed and the ethnic divide came back in force.

Of course it was there. Tito was a capitalist. I think you're going pretty close to a great man view of history by saying he could keep it all in check. Had the situation been different while he was in power the conflict would've most likely happened then.


If the Serbian aim in Kosovo was to preserve Yugoslavia then I would support it, but it went beyond that.

Yeah so? I don't take either's side.


BTW: Negative Creep, have a good day. I am taking a break from this thread so I can focus on things outside my computer.

Good, have a nice day.

As for Michael Parenti, please remember that he is not a historian and should be taken with a few grains of salt.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

Kosovo is NATO-/UN-Occupied Territory.

Kosovo je Srbija!

Oow, sloganeering.
I love this, thanks for contributing to the discussion.

Love,

NC

[Leftsolidarity]

Kosovo is NATO-/UN-Occupied Territory.

Kosovo je Srbija!

You only have a few posts and are in learning so you are new to the forum but 1 liners and sloganeering like that aren't looked at as productive posts and could get warned/infracted for trolling or spamming. Welcome to the forum. Just try to make more substantial posts. :)

[B5C]

As for Michael Parenti, please remember that he is not a historian and should be taken with a few grains of salt.

Thanks for the warning. I will take it with a very few grains of salt.

[Fruit of Ulysses]

Slobodan Milosevic was an outstanding national liberation leader who stood up to U.S. hegemony and as result has been incorrectly turned into a figure of racial hatred. The 90's conflict and subsequent independence of Kosovo is an imperialist plot of the conquer and divide style to seal the deal on the 90's counter-revolution. Historically speaking, Kosovo has ALWAYS been a part of the Serbian nation, even before it evolved into a modern nation-state with borders. Kosovo has been continually inhabited and governed by those of Serbian ethnicity for centuries and has traditionally been featured in Serbian artistic work of all sort as a special place in Serbian culture. It is a documented and academically undisputed fact that when the Balkans were not under the Ottomans that Kosovo was not only a part of Serbia, but a place of particular importance to it culturally, politically, and economically. Hell, the "Battle of Kosovo" is considered one of the defining moments of Serbian history. And after the end of Ottoman control, it legally became a part of Serbia in 1912.

Yugoslavian War of Liberation 1941-1945/1999
http://www.revolutionarycommunist.org/index.php/socialism/924-yugoslavia-the-war-of-liberation-1941-45-frfi-149-jun-jul-1999

Hidden Agenda of the US/NATO takeover of Yugolsavia
http://www.iacenter.org/folder02/hidden_toc.htm

NATO in the Balkans
http://www.iacenter.org/bosnia/nbtoc.htm

The demonization of Milosevic by Michael Parenti
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Milosevic.html

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

Slobodan Milosevic was an outstanding national liberation leader who stood up to U.S. hegemony and as result has been incorrectly turned into a figure of racial hatred.

If by "national liberation" you mean arming genocidal militias to go wipe out some Bosnians and Croats then yeah I guess


The 90's conflict and subsequent independence of Kosovo is an imperialist plot of the conquer and divide style to seal the deal on the 90's counter-revolution.If all else fails, blame everything on Imperialist plots. Imperialism played a huge role in the collapse of Yugoslavia but so did the rise of nationalist politicians in Croatia and Serbia.


Historically speaking, Kosovo has ALWAYS been a part of the Serbian nation, even before it evolved into a modern nation-state with borders.Always? Do they have fossil evidence of dinosaur Serbs living in Kosovo? :rolleyes: Nation states are human institutions, not eternal entities.


Kosovo has been continually inhabited and governed by those of Serbian ethnicity for centuries and has traditionally been featured in Serbian artistic work of all sort as a special place in Serbian culture.That doesn't matter at all. This is the same kind of reasoning used by Zionists to take land in the West Bank. Historical land claims are only important to people who fetishize some previous time.


It is a documented and academically undisputed fact that when the Balkans were not under the Ottomans that Kosovo was not only a part of Serbia, but a place of particular importance to it culturally, politically, and economically.
It is also a documented fact that Northern France/Normandy was once a part of England. Western Poland was once a part of Germany. A huge portion of Romania was once a part of Hungary. Let's go redrawing the maps of Europe, and if needed ethnically cleanse areas to help us along!


Hell, the "Battle of Kosovo" is considered one of the defining moments of Serbian history.The Battle of Agincourt defined British history, so again, should we return Normandy to the sovereignty of the English crown?


And after the end of Ottoman control, it legally became a part of Serbia in 1912. What's the significance of that? German Papua legally became a part of the British Empire when the Brits won WWI, so I guess the Papuans should suck it up and become British citizens. Legal sovereignty is an imposition by powerful states and other hegemonic institutions and is not some natural moral good.

All the arguments you use to defend Serbian national sovereignty over Kosovo are grounded in reactionary ways of thinking - in particular, the notion that some historical national identity trumps the rights of a cultural or linguistic group of people living in an area. I'm not saying NATO intervention was legitimate but that doesn't mean that we should see Serb nationalism as a justified ideological position.

[Fruit of Ulysses]

while Serbs have not always lived in Kosovo (no dinoasar era fossils yes), but throughout the duration of the Serbian nation on the traditional territory it has occupied since the 7th century AD, Kosovo has ALWAYS been a part of the Serbian nation.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

while Serbs have not always lived in Kosovo (no dinoasar era fossils yes), but throughout the duration of the Serbian nation on the traditional territory it has occupied since the 7th century AD, Kosovo has ALWAYS been a part of the Serbian nation.

The "serbian nation" did not exist as an independent entity for centuries after their conquest by Turkey, only as an ethnic group, and its questionable whether national identity can really be traced back to the feudal era when such things were the imposition of powerful feudal lords as much as they were a manifestation of some kind of ethnic solidarity.

Anyhow, your argument really doesn't hold water. Huge parts of the Agean area were parts of Greece - do we need to give Istanbul and chunks of Anatolia back to Greece? The Greeks were only kicked out in the last century. Likewise, something like a quarter of Poland was historically a part of the German nation and only became a part of Poland thanks to Stalin's redrawing of Europe's maps. Do we ignore the modern material reality and the historical conditions which led to it, and instead just fetishize some past state of human affairs? Do we fight for national sovereignty before the rights of workers and peasants? Be wary about doing that, it is the ideological basis of fascism. This isn't some ideological, post-colonial national liberation struggle where people are fighting for a new identity which is independent of outside colonialists, this is the struggle of one ethnic group to maintain a monopoly on power over the territory of their nation-state.

[B5C]

Also note why should ethnicity should play in the role of creating a socialist or communist society. Isn't our goal is to help the entire human race and not support which ethic group wants something.

There are no exploited Serbs or Albanians. There is only exploited humans.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

And you say this as you and the rest of the ultra-lefts bemoan the only progressive government in the Balkan peninsula from your armchairs?

There's nothing progressive about ethnic nationalism you fucking moron.

[Thirsty Crow]

Slobodan Milosevic was an outstanding national liberation leader who stood up to U.S. hegemony and as result has been incorrectly turned into a figure of racial hatred.
Yes! Franjo Tuđman also! Hey,they were good friends after all and had something to share, if you catch my drift.


Kosovo has been continually inhabited and governed by those of Serbian ethnicity for centuries and has traditionally been featured in Serbian artistic work of all sort as a special place in Serbian culture.
Well of course, it is progressive to support a specific ethnic rule

What utter bollocks.

[Os Cangaceiros]

You know you've read way too much Michael Parenti when you go around saying things like how Slobodan Milosovic was a "outstanding national liberation leader". Are you fucking kidding me?

Speaking of Michael Parenti, does anyone else ever notice how he always makes America's proxies look like the most hideous ogres possible? I went back and re-read a bit of "The Rational Destruction of Yugoslavia", and he characterizes Alija Izetbegovic as an "Islamic fundamentalist", which conjures up imagery of him as a bin Laden type character or something. But I read "The Death of Yugoslavia" by Allan Little and in that book the description of Izetbegovic is very bland and he seemed to be just a boring politician who happened to be Muslim and who wrote about Islamic cultural issues.

[Thirsty Crow]

I went back and re-read a bit of "The Rational Destruction of Yugoslavia", and he characterizes Alija Izetbegovic as an "Islamic fundamentalist", which conjures up imagery of him as a bin Laden type character or something.
You've got to be kidding me.

No one in their right mind would be able to conclude that ol' Alija was an islamic fundamentalis.


The nationalism of an oppressed nation (e.g. the Serbs) is always progressive, whereas the nationalism of an oppressor nation (e.g. Americans) can only ever be reactionary.What about the opression of the Albanians in Kosovo? That didn't happen, or it doesn't count since they were supported by the American boogeyman?

[Pravda]

Oh my, anti-imperialism again:rolleyes:

[YugoslavSocialist]

Speaking of Michael Parenti, does anyone else ever notice how he always makes America's proxies look like the most hideous ogres possible? I went back and re-read a bit of "The Rational Destruction of Yugoslavia", and he characterizes Alija Izetbegovic as an "Islamic fundamentalist", which conjures up imagery of him as a bin Laden type character or something. But I read "The Death of Yugoslavia" by Allan Little and in that book the description of Izetbegovic is very bland and he seemed to be just a boring politician who happened to be Muslim and who wrote about Islamic cultural issues.

I lived through the Yugoslav wars and trust me Michael Parenti is your best source of information when it comes to the break up of Yugoslavia.

[Serbian Antifascist BGD]

Literarly, its a two blade dagger.. I would make Kosovo a district and not let Americans make bases there..

[Geiseric]

Maybe or maybe no, but the slippery slope argument is not a good argument against some sort of intervention in the Kosovo conflict.

I support one day for a borderless society which Serbs and Albanians could work together for the common good, but during the late 1990s that wasn't going to happen because the conflict has gotten worse.

NATO is an evil, but it was an lesser evil compared to the mass destruction of ethnic cleansing which was happening by both sides in Kosovo. Heck I wasn't a big fan of Kosovo Independence, but were stuck with it due the west involvement.

By "a place where Serbs and Albanians can get along" do you mean "yugoslavia"?

[Ismail]

By "a place where Serbs and Albanians can get along" do you mean "yugoslavia"?Doubtful, at least when referring to the monarchy and Titoite periods, considering that Serbian academics in the mid-80s wrote about Albanians "out-breeding" Serbs, while Albanian student and worker protests calling for Kosovo to become a republic within Yugoslavia (giving it the same status as Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, etc.) were put down by tanks. Neither regimes could solve the contradictions existent within Kosovo.