Gary Ridgeway, the Green River Killer

[Urban Rubble]

For those of you who don't know, the Green River Killer was a serial killer around Washington state. His estimated 60 (or more) victims were all women from as far north as Seattle to as far South as Tacoma. The murders took place (I think) in the 70's and 80's. In the 80's they stopped, but the killer was never caught. Recentley, a middle aged man named Gary Ridgeway was caught and charged with the murders.

Now, he has pushed for a plea bargain of life in jail if he confesses to 49 of the killings. I think this is insanity. I remember Huzington (from ISF, Anti-Fascist here) was saying that he does not think the death penalty is alright under any circumstance (actually, he said he wouldn't even punish this guy, but whatever). Does anyone here agree ?

For one thing, I think death would be better than life in prison, which is the only reason I can think of not to kill this guy. Why let him sit in jail for the rest of his life when we can end this bullshit with the flick of a switch ? Having him in jail for 40 years or possibly longer would do nothing but make him suffer and cost the taxpayers even more money. I can't understand what is apealing about letting him stay alive, in jail, doing nothing but costing us money.

What should be done with him ?

[dopediana]

i'd find life imprisonment to be worse than death. but those on death row are continuously calling for appeals which i suppose he might do. this is a bloody tough decision to ask anyone to make. financially, it costs more to execute a prisoner than to keep him alive. but honestly, killing 60 women i don't believe leaves much room for any moral recovery. 60 is a very high death counts and extremely brutal. it's hard to think that someone who's done stuff like that should deserve a chance at life.

[Urban Rubble]

i'd find life imprisonment to be worse than death. but those on death row are continuously calling for appeals which i suppose he might do.

I also think life in prison would be worse than death. I think the reason most of these guys appeal is because as scary as life in jail would be, death is always going to be more scary.


financially, it costs more to execute a prisoner than to keep him alive.

Actually, that's a myth. The trial is what really costs money, and all the appeals. But the thing is, those happen whether they live or die. After the trial is over, killing him is much cheaper. I wish I could remember the stats on how much it costs to keep a man in jail for a year.


but honestly, killing 60 women i don't believe leaves much room for any moral recovery.

Ya, that's true. It's been so many years, whatever recovery he would have has already happened.

[dopediana]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 6 2003, 04:18 AM

but honestly, killing 60 women i don't believe leaves much room for any moral recovery.

Ya, that's true. It's been so many years, whatever recovery he would have has already happened.
if there is any hope of recovery. which i severely doubt. and i hate saying this so much, because i want to have faith in people desperately but someone responsible for those actions just does not deserve to see the light of day ever again.

[Hampton]

Have all these 60 deaths been proved to be this one dude? I was reading a story on Henry Lee Lucas who confessed to 75 murders but it was pretty impossible for him to do it, it was more like the police would tell him where the bodies were before hand and he would then tell them where they were becuase they had no idea who had done them and they didn't want to look like complete asses who couldn't solve murders so they dumped em all on one guy and he went along with it because he got treated better than most.

Run on sentance? Probally.

But yea back on topic.... life in prison would be worse then death or so I would guess. But a guy with that kind of reputation going into jail wouldn't probaly be fucked with, then again everyone's favorite man eater Dahmer got killed in jail.

As far as cost.....
The average cost to hold a prisoner per day is $51 general fund or $18,615 per year. $18,615 multiplied by 0.2 convictions with prison time per year is $3723. The prisoner could potentially be
held for up to 15 years longer than is currently in statute. $3723 multiplied by 15 is $55,845. However, to look at it a different way, it currently costs $186,150 to hold a prisoner for 10 years. It costs $465,375 to hold a prisoner for 25 years. That is a difference of $279,225.



Linkage (http://www3.state.id.us/oasis/H0123.html)

[Urban Rubble]

Have all these 60 deaths been proved to be this one dude? I was reading a story on Henry Lee Lucas who confessed to 75 murders but it was pretty impossible for him to do it, it was more like the police would tell him where the bodies were before hand and he would then tell them where they were becuase they had no idea who had done them and they didn't want to look like complete asses who couldn't solve murders so they dumped em all on one guy and he went along with it because he got treated better than most.

He entered a plea bargain admitting to 48 of them. It's for sure, he's already been helping the police, they've found a few new bodies since he's been caught. There is this road that goes into the mountains and is a pass through to the other side of the mountains, and to the ski resort that I lived at for 3 years. The start of this road is about 5 minutes from my house. The other day we were driving up to go wire a house on that road, I look over and there are tons of cops searching on the side of the road, my dad tells me they're looking for a body the killer told them about. The next day they found. This is the same road that Ted Bundy used to cruise looking for hitchhikers. He killed 4 hitchhikers on that road and buried them there.

I used to hitchhike 50 miles up that road 3 times a week. Scary shit.



But yea back on topic.... life in prison would be worse then death or so I would guess. But a guy with that kind of reputation going into jail wouldn't probaly be fucked with, then again everyone's favorite man eater Dahmer got killed in jail.

Even if he is left alone, prison for that long would still be horrible. Even federal prison (which is nicer than alot of apartments) is hell if you're there for life.


The average cost to hold a prisoner per day is $51 general fund or $18,615 per year. $18,615 multiplied by 0.2 convictions with prison time per year is $3723. The prisoner could potentially be
held for up to 15 years longer than is currently in statute. $3723 multiplied by 15 is $55,845. However, to look at it a different way, it currently costs $186,150 to hold a prisoner for 10 years. It costs $465,375 to hold a prisoner for 25 years. That is a difference of $279,225.

And to think, a box of bullets is only a couple bucks.

[cubist]

its roughly 100 kills in 20- years, so what gw has done that 1000 times over

[Urban Rubble]

its roughly 100 kills in 20- years, so what gw has done that 1000 times over

Wow. That was profound. What, are you 12 ?

[Loknar]

Does this guy deserve any rehabilitation?

[Urban Rubble]

No. Even if he was, how can you rehabilitate this guy ?

Fuck that. He should be tortured until he dies.

[Urban Rubble]

Oh ya, most of these killings happened in my city or near it. When I was a kid they pulled a body from the river across the street from my house.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Urban Rubb[email protected] 8 2003, 01:16 AM
No. Even if he was, how can you rehabilitate this guy ?

Fuck that. He should be tortured until he dies.
I concur, killing that many people can't be forgotten and he did it with a sane mind. He did it to please himself, he didn't slay those women for anyone else or for a goal. Just for his sadistic self and that doesn't deserve to be forgotten. He should be killed without a excuse. In my view he is worse than most other butchers in history since they slayed for their beliefs, were orderd too but he did it for pure enjoyment and that is the end ...

[Exploited Class]

The reason why he is not going to face the death penalty.

He killed a lot of people, he knows where they are buried. A lot of people, friends, family of the murdered victims would like to know if their daughter/friend is missing or dead. If he tells the police where to find all the bodies, then they can find out who is actually dead and people associated with the murder victims can know what happened to them at last. It is closure. This is the reason why they are not going to initiate a death penalty with this guy. He could have or could have not plead guilty to this crime, they have enough evidence to get a death penalty, but then they would never know where all the bodies are.

That being said, I am sure he has left out some bodies. His physchological profile marks him as a trickster, he will hold out on a few I am sure. It will also give him a one up feeling over society and the police, that he knows something they do not. That is also a part of his make up. he left clothes of the murdered in restrooms hoping that somebody would find them and wear them, only he would know where the clothes came from and it was trickery.

Trust me, the DA is not taking a simple plea bargan with somebody who has a possible connection to this many deaths, they have DNA evidence on their side and that is a 99% court winnner.

[BRIN]

These serial killers desserve to be chemicle wepon lab rats.

Fuck you guys in america must have the worst serial killers over there :(

[Dhul Fiqar]

All around he seems like a really swell guy to me. We all have our little quirks and eccentricities.

--- G.

[Urban Rubble]

Fuck you guys in america must have the worst serial killers over there

Ya, we do have some bad ones. Maybe it's because this shitty country works us more than any other in the world. Too much stress.

Europe has had some pretty bad serial killers too though. Remember Peter Kurtin ?

[Exploited Class]

All I can say is that I am happy they caught the guy finally. I live where all of this is happening, Portland Oregon 1 minute from Washignton and I believe some of the victims came from here. Of course I am not a prostitute now, but who knows about later on.... anyway it was always kind of scary having the green river killer at our backdoor, it isn't actually safer now but the illusion is there that it is.

Most of our killers in this area just kill their families, a mom that shot her kids when they were in the back seat of the car, a christian husband that freaked out and killed his kids and wife. I think in the local news, which I don't keep up on very often, we have had like 6 husband kills everybody in the family or attempts to, in the last year.That isn't just counting Portland, but all the satellite cities around it. It is just wrong, however I don't really know what is going on in the rest of America or the world on a local level so this might just be par.

[Urban Rubble]

Ya, I know what you mean. This shit is all happening right around my area. There have been numerous victims from, and found in, the town I live in. I swim in the Green River every summer in the exact spot 5 bodies were found in the 80's.

What is with the NorthWest and serial killers ? This guy, Ted Bundy, I believe the Mansons were from here.