Never - ever - talk to a cop!!!

[tanklv]

IF ARRESTED - NEVER - EVER - SAY ANYTHING - AT ALL - EVER.

Even if you're innocent, and have "nothing to hide" - never ever talk. Just say "I have nothing to say" and "I want my lawyer now!" And repeat this OFTEN!

Watch this video - it's a half hour - but well worth it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

[ellipsis]

great video, i often recommend it.

[Ocean Seal]

And if you do have something to hide: never snitch. Just a rule of thumb, they want you in jail.

[Le Libérer]

Talking to the police, will never help you. Everything you say is to be held against you. Their job is to fill the prisons and persuade people to confess whether they are guilty or not. In fact, I was taught to never even say, "no comment" because they can twist it to build a case against someone. The OP is right, never say anything.

[Kamos]

While we're here - I've a question. I know that you don't have to testify against yourself but do you have to testify against others? Can you just stay silent when asked about someone else as well? This isn't entirely clear to me.

[hatzel]

Maaaaan you don't need to tell me twice...not least because good ol' Judaism has already prohibited all this kind o' crap. Oh yeah, I'm playing that card :thumbup1:

[xub3rn00dlex]

I read a book by a former pig, and that's pretty much the advice he gave. Never keep your hands in your pockets, never make flailing gestures, don't yell. If a pig starts beating on you, don't resist under any circumstance, protect your head at all times and if you can try to hide it under the patrol car. He said the pigs will do anything they can to provoke you, and violate your rights while they're at it. They don't need a reason to assault you, they will do so if they deem it fit regardless of your actions. The goal is not to give them an inch.

[Le Libérer]

If you remain nice and nonresistan when or if they are coming down on you, its probably being taped. And the tape will show you did nothing to resist.


While we're here - I've a question. I know that you don't have to testify against yourself but do you have to testify against others?
You dont recall.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I already knew as such from the legal briefing at my occupy group.

[Kamos]

You dont recall.

I don't understand.

[Le Libérer]

I don't understand.

If you dont recall seeing anything you cant be held accountable in a court of law.

[xub3rn00dlex]

I don't understand.

Always be polite.

Officer: Did you see what happened here?
You: no officer, i did not.
Officer: so you didn't see 'x' and 'y' doing 'z'?
You: no officer, i did not see 'x' and 'y' doing 'z'? ( they will try to trip you up here if you say no i did not without repeating. This will make you nervous and these guys are fucking sharks smelling your fear.

Once he is done you can take your leave, most important thing to do is stay calm, polite, and fearless.

[Void]

If he is a communist cop you shall talk to him, oh yes you should...

[danyboy27]

In canada if you are detained by the cops they are not forced to give you access to a laywer. best thing to do is to look at the wall or focus on a small object in the room and wait the maximum period of detention.

if there is no proof for further detention they will release you.

Not talking to the cops can be tricky sometimes, if he start asking you question in the street and you refuse to engage conversation, he can came up some bullshit reason to detain you for a fews hours.

if you really have to talk to a cop in an emergency situation for exemple you where mugged or attacked, keep the talk to a minimum.

[Kamos]

If you dont recall seeing anything you cant be held accountable in a court of law.

Well, yeah, I suppose I could always say that. Thanks to both who answered.

[Kitty_Paine]

Whoa, whoa, whoa... lol, I've had my run in with a fair amount of cops but I've never run into one who was quite as malevolent as the ones described here. I'm not denying they exist, of course they do, but with the frequency described (all cops)... that's a little hard for me to swallow. Or maybe I just don't live in a "rough enough" place...? :p


Talking to the police, will never help you.

I've seen multiple cases in which talking to the police was the better decision. For instance, minors drinking... Cop see's kids sitting around with open containers with only one person 21+. He asks if the minors had been drinking, they say "yes". The cop asks them to poor it out, end of story. I gaurantee you if they would have refused to speak it would have been a lot worse for them.

I see stuff like this happen a lot. I've also seen cases where not talking has gotten people into a lot more trouble than they needed to go through.

Yes, some cops are assholes and try and fuck people over, of course. But to say "Talking to the police, will never help you" is ridiculous... at least from my standpoint. Maybe all cops where you live just suck... :p




Their job is to fill the prisons and persuade people to confess whether they are guilty or not.

Maybe you are but you can't be 100% serious when you say this can you? Regardless of how malevolent some may seem and act it's not their job to through innocent people in prison... I understand it may seem like this sometimes though.

Last I checked (feel free to debunk this statement with some research), most prisons within the U.S. were over capacity or at capacity. Last thing I'd imagine they'd want to do is put more people in prison. It costs the state more money for every prisoner behind bars.

Have you never met a cop who became a cop because he wanted to help people?

I know I'm probably about to get flammed for being a "cop lover", etc. but that's not the case. I've had far more negative encounters with police than good ones but to say that all cops are malevolent assholes that just want to throw you in prison is ridiculous and a gross overgeneralization to say the least. I mean most cops are just working class people like the rest of us, no? They needed a job, they got one. Last I checked, It didn't even pay that well (at least where I live). They're there to protect basic rights and help you out really (supposed to be, I know there are some ass cops).

I just think it's silly (not pointing at anybody, just in general) when people flame cops for doing their job. "Dude cops are assholes, I got fined for smoking weed and underage drinking!" Really? They're just doing their job to support their family...

In conclusion! lol A lot of cops are assholes, but there are a lot of good cops out there who became cops to help people, even at shitty pay and a shitty reputation, lol. So don't generalize all cops into a group.

Proceed with flamming....

[xub3rn00dlex]

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while i admire your optimism, all pigs are an extension to the state who's sole job is to defend the interest of the bourgeiosie. I've only met one nice cop in my life, who should've locked me up for yet another petty fucking crime ( fare evasion ) yet didn't, and i guarantee you it was because it was the day after christmas and he was polish, just as i am. As long as the pigs are outthere in uniform, they defend the status quo, and are not with us. In nyc there is a fuckton of corruption surfacing right now by the way :). Fuck pigs.

Edit: by the way, cop lover!

[Kamos]

So can you name one instance where talking to the cops actually helps? Your example doesn't count because 1) a minor drinking is really insignificant and 2) this advice comes into play when you're in danger of being screwed over and put into jail.

Also, of course pigs want to put people into jail. It doesn't cost them more money (they'll just put more people into one cell and give less rations to the prisoners, problem solved) while creating a cheap labor force to build border walls and removing the "useless" elements of society. (Finally the state doesn't have to pay them all the benefits they are otherwise entitled to!)

[Kitty_Paine]

while i admire your optimism, all pigs are an extension to the state who's sole job is to defend the interest of the bourgeiosie. I've only met one nice cop in my life, who should've locked me up for yet another petty fucking crime ( fare evasion ) yet didn't, and i guarantee you it was because it was the day after christmas and he was polish, just as i am. As long as the pigs are outthere in uniform, they defend the status quo, and are not with us. In nyc there is a fuckton of corruption surfacing right now by the way :). Fuck pigs.

Edit: by the way, cop lover!

"Fuck pigs" is a fair remark, one that you will often find me screaming at a fat cop who is physically putting me in the back of his car... :p (Don't ask). But to defeat over generalization and to be fair(?) to some cops who genuinely strive to do the right thing, It must be know that not all cops are fucking pig's asses.

But I agree, they serve the state and when the state doesn't like something the working class is doing (protesting, rioting, etc.) they send the cops to stop them. It's fucked up because in general most police are in the same SES as a lot of the working class (barely making a living for their family, can't get a better job, etc.) so they should be with us in a lot of the cases but whatever. And some realize this and try and help people out, obviously some don't and serve the state's orders only. Cops should serve and protect the people, not the state. And sometimes they do, but often times they don't. So yes, fuck pigs.

I'm just saying to dismiss all cops as working class fucking, malevolent pigs is wrong, they all aren't... that's all I'm really trying to get at. :)

And yes, there is a lot of corrupt sometimes, no doubt at all...

[Kitty_Paine]

So can you name one instance where talking to the cops actually helps? Your example doesn't count because 1) a minor drinking is really insignificant and 2) this advice comes into play when you're in danger of being screwed over and put into jail.

That example doesn't count as an instance when being truthful to a cop was a good idea because you say it's insignificant...? What? Talking to the cops helped their situation because if they hadn't they may have been taken to jail, fined, etc. Why does the level of significance matter? I was simply giving an example for a time when talking was a good idea... nothing else.

But what level of "significance" would my example have to be to "count"?



Also, of course pigs want to put people into jail. It doesn't cost them more money (they'll just put more people into one cell and give less rations to the prisoners, problem solved) while creating a cheap labor force to build border walls and removing the "useless" elements of society. (Finally the state doesn't have to pay them all the benefits they are otherwise entitled to!)

You really, honestly think that every cop, in the United States of America wants nothing more than to put people in jail? I mean I'm not a fan of cops either but... you have to know that what may be true for some is not necessarily true for the rest.

This is not countering the "cops want to throw people in prison", it's just to show you that they are trying to reduce the number of prisoners and not just in California...

"The U.S. Supreme Court has ordered California to dramatically reduce its prison population. The justices concluded the overcrowding violates constitutional protections against cruel and unusual punishment. More than 30,000 inmates must be transferred or released in the next two years." - http://www.npr.org/2011/05/26/136685989/dealing-with-californias-overcrowded-prisons

[Le Libérer]

In the state I live in cops are required to meet a quota of arrests. Its big business filling prisons in the deep south.

I would also like to point out, talking to the police before arrest is when they will use anything you say against you.

The Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendment and their State counterparts aren't triggered by arrest and apply to all citizens, irrespective of guilt. We have been led to believe there is an inference of guilt in silence or asking for a lawyer. The suggestion you are making shouldn't apply if arrested. You are more likely to get arrested once you begin what you think is friendly dialogue.

And Kitty, your experience with cops sounds like you were involved in petty crimes that werent very serious. I have worked for the state as a child protection investigator and saw first hand how cops would weave simple questions that seemed innocent enough into enough to charge someone with serious crimes. And I hope for your sake you never are faced with that scenario because if you talk that freely to cops, you may end up posting to revleft from the pokey.

[The Dark Side of the Moon]

So dont say anthing?
What if you etch-a-scetch it?

[Le Libérer]

So dont say anthing? Anything

What if you etch-a-scetch it?
Yeah, go for it. Carry around an etch a scetch surely will prove your innocence. :rolleyes:

[Sheepy]

If he is a communist cop you shall talk to him, oh yes you should...
I'm sure there is no such thing. A communist wouldn't waste his time serving those specifically paid to rat out and oppress his own people.