When will we implement communism?

[rundontwalk]

Sorry if this has been done before. Used the search feature but to no avail.

My question:

When will we implement communism (or, at the very least, socialism)? Will it be done in our lifetimes. Our children's lifetimes? What?

I understand you have to build revolutionary consciousness and all that jazz, and that might take a bit. But still. I'm kind of an impatient person, and I imagine others are as well. :)

[disbeliever]

We're all currently practicing a form of communism as it is based on the ten planks.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Like Yoda says ... be patient

Nobody can predict the future. And if they can, I need to talk to them about some lottery numbers ...

[o well this is ok I guess]

Whenever.

[tir1944]

When the whole World turns Red.;)

[disbeliever]

many aspects of communism have already been implemented in your society

[Tablo]

Perhaps within our lifetimes. This is me being optimistic. I really hope for it, but I honestly have no clue.

[rundontwalk]

When the whole World turns Red.;)
This is a frustrating answer. ;p

@ CanisLupus: That's true enough. It'd be nice to start seeing communism being implemented more in practice than in theory though. Some ELZN-esquian stuff*. I think that might speed up the process.

* not that I'm advocating armed revolution here, just what they've accomplished

[Void]

Sorry if this has been done before. Used the search feature but to no avail.

My question:

When will we implement communism (or, at the very least, socialism)? Will it be done in our lifetimes. Our children's lifetimes? What?

I understand you have to build revolutionary consciousness and all that jazz, and that might take a bit. But still. I'm kind of an impatient person, and I imagine others are as well. :)

May take centuries, I'd say. Not before any 3rd World War first of all.

[Veovis]

May take centuries, I'd say. Not before any 3rd World War first of all.

With the way capitalism is raping the planet, I don't think we can afford to wait that long.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

This is a frustrating answer. ;p

@ CanisLupus: That's true enough. It'd be nice to start seeing communism being implemented more in practice than in theory though. Some ELZN-esquian stuff*. I think that might speed up the process.

* not that I'm advocating armed revolution here, just what they've accomplished
A little armed revolution every once in a while is good for the soul.

Like grandma's chicken noodle soup.

[thefinalmarch]

Communism is not something to be "implemented" in the manner of a welfare program.

[rundontwalk]

A little armed revolution every once in a while is good for the soul.

Like grandma's chicken noodle soup.
I added that so the NSA doesn't get all up in my business (hehe).

[rundontwalk]

Communism is not something to be "implemented" in the manner of a welfare program.
I mean when will communism be put into action, and replace the current system.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Communism is not something to be "implemented" in the manner of a welfare program.
Oh, now you're just getting into semantics.

We all know what run meant.

rundontwalk: RevLeft is on a server in Germany, outside the jurisdiction of the US

[rundontwalk]

rundontwalk: RevLeft is on a server in Germany, outside the jurisdiction of the US
I was joking about that really. I would hope the NSA has more interesting stuff to read than my ramblings. If not I feel sort of sorry for them.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

I was joking about that really. I would hope the NSA has more interesting stuff to read than my ramblings. If not I feel sort of sorry for them.
Yeah, I'd feel sorry for someone stuck reading my boring shit too. But at the same time, the scope of their domestic spying is INCREDIBLE. Hijacking the international internet cables that cross the US ...

It's fucking scary. I try not to think about it.

[thefinalmarch]

We all know what run meant.
not necessarily. many newer comrades are often still learning fundamental communist principles. we have something of an obligation to offer our assistance and knowledge to them.

[00000000000]

..how you fixed for next Thursday? I've got a late lunch, we'll see how we get on.

[RedMarxist]

When will we implement communism (or, at the very least, socialism)? Will it be done in our lifetimes. Our children's lifetimes? What? First of all, Communism does not just happen, certainly not before Socialism.

The process is as follows: A revolution will happen, in which Socialism will replace the Capitalist system of the country. Over time, the state will wither away before completely vanishing. Then you can have your paradise on Earth, Communism.

It must be noted that Joseph Stalin's Socialism in one country policy does not work. Unless the revolution spreads to at least a few of the 'advanced nations',(IE the U.S.A, Germany, the U.K) it is pretty much doomed from the start, and eventually it will fall, as had happened to the U.S.S.R

Second of all, you don't just get to Socialism or Communism by doing nothing. You do what the Egyptians did or even what the Americans are doing: You Fight Back, peacefully if you must.

The ruling classes won't just give us Socialism if we send a petition to the white house. Not how it works.

Oh and best way to build revolutionary consciousness: Educate the workers through a vanguard party.

I urge you to read some of Lenin's works.


would hope the NSA has more interesting stuff to read than my ramblings.I doubt the NSA would care what some random poster had to say. Hell, even if they did mistake you for a Red terrorist, why waste the resources on that person when real, actual terrorists are plotting to blow up malls and stuff everyday?

[Mitja]

well old commuism cant work we only can hope of neo communism and neo socialism.

[ZeroNowhere]

'We' won't implement communism.


We're all currently practicing a form of communism as it is based on the ten planks.
That's not how ten planks work. Engels had actually attacked Heinzen for treating such reforms as ends, an approach which could only mean an attempt to establish a 'better, more peaceful capitalism' (since the ten planks are implemented under capitalism), rather than as unstable means which necessarily lead to their own supercession. That's quite apart from the fact that Marx later labelled the demands of the ten planks antiquated, which would seem a bit strange if they were a definition of communism.


The only point Herr Heinzen makes that deserves recognition he has borrowed from the Communists, the Communists whom he attacks so violently, and even that is reduced in his hands to utter nonsense and mere day-dreaming. All measures to restrict competition and the accumulation of capital in the hands of individuals, all restriction or suppression of the law of inheritance, all organisation of labour by the state, etc., all these measures are not only possible as revolutionary measures, but actually necessary. They are possible because the whole insurgent proletariat is behind them and maintains them by force of arms. They are possible, despite all the difficulties and disadvantages which are alleged against them by economists, because these very difficulties and disadvantages will compel the proletariat to go further and further until private property has been completely abolished, in order not to lose again what it has already won. They are possible as preparatory steps, temporary transitional stages towards the abolition of private property, but not in any other way.

Herr Heinzen however wants all these measures as permanent, final measures. They are not to be a preparation for anything, they are to be definitive. They are for him not a means but an end. They are not designed for a revolutionary but for a peaceful, bourgeois condition. But this makes them impossible and at the same time reactionary. The economists of the bourgeoisie are quite right in respect of Herr Heinzen when they present these measures as reactionary compared with free competition. Free competition is the ultimate, highest and most developed form of existence of private property. All measures, therefore, which start from the basis of private property and which are nevertheless directed against free competition, are reactionary and tend to restore more primitive stages in the development of property, and for that reason they must finally be defeated once more by competition and result in the restoration of the present situation. These objections the bourgeoisie raises, which lose all their force as soon as one regards the above social reforms as pure mesures de salut public, as revolutionary and transitory measures, these objections are devastating as far as Herr Heinzen’s peasant-socialist black, red and gold republic is concerned.


In treating of the laws of inheritance, we necessarily suppose that private property in the means of production continues to exist. If it did no longer exist among the living, it could not be transferred from them, and by them, after their death. All measures, in regard to the right of inheritance, can therefore only relate to a state of social transition, where, on the one hand, the present economical base of society is not yet transformed, but where, on the other hand, the working masses have gathered strength enough to enforce transitory measures calculated to bring about an ultimate radical change of society.


However much that state of things may have altered during the last twenty-five years, the general principles laid down in the Manifesto are, on the whole, as correct today as ever. Here and there, some detail might be improved. The practical application of the principles will depend, as the Manifesto itself states, everywhere and at all times, on the historical conditions for the time being existing, and, for that reason, no special stress is laid on the revolutionary measures proposed at the end of Section II.

well old commuism cant work we only can hope of neo communism and neo socialism. 'Take the red pill!'

[Magón]

well old commuism cant work we only can hope of neo communism and neo socialism.

What the hell is "neo-Communism"?

[Rusty Shackleford]

We're all currently practicing a form of communism as it is based on the ten planks.
this. and on December 6th. at 10:37 AM Pacific time we'll implement communism.


Seriosuly though, communism cannot be 'willed' into being. it takes the movement of working people, the abolition of capitalism and class antagonism, and the abolition of the state