Wikileaks suspended due to lack of funds

[ВАЛТЕР]

I didn't know which forum to put this under, so if a mod feels the need to move it they should.


Anyways, wikileaks is suspending it's activities because of financial shortages.


https://rt.com/news/wikileaks-killed-payment-ban-583/

[~Spectre]

fuuuuuuck. Hopefully they can break the siege.

[Void]

Anyways, wikileaks is suspending it's activities because of financial shortages.

I don't care since wikileaks is totally untrustworthy so is Julian Assange.


fuuuuuuck. Hopefully they can break the siege.

Come on

Do you really trust Wiki Leaks ?

[~Spectre]

I don't care since wikileaks is totally untrustworthy so is Julian Assange.



Come on

Do you really trust Wiki Leaks ?

I don't know what trust has to do with it. I like the service they provide. Leaking useful information that subverts powerful states. I don't have any particular opinion about the "trustworthiness" of the people involved.

[Geiseric]

Can you explain why not to trust wikileaks, aside from the obvious reasons being it's run by a narcissistic libertarian douchebag? why would he lie lol

[Tim Cornelis]

I don't care since wikileaks is totally untrustworthy so is Julian Assange.

Come on

Do you really trust Wiki Leaks ?

"Trust" is merely of secondary concern. The fact that Western governments, who purport to support free speech, have cut of financial support from a legal organisation, whilst one can still make donations to de facto terrorist organisations like the KKK, is outrageous.

(at least, I think it's legal).

[Void]

Wikileaks is suspending it's activities because of financial shortages.

All this is a game, wikileaks was probably used by secret services and now it has completed the duty, time to close and do it in a non-dramatic way. Wikileaks goes away today and another X-leaks comes some other day.


I don't know what trust has to do with it. I like the service they provide. Leaking useful information that subverts powerful states. I don't have any particular opinion about the "trustworthiness" of the people involved.

Leaking useful information. There is no leaking information. All information was given to Assange, he did not get any by operation or whatsoever. Assange is showing himself in the middle of protests in London. Certainly he is there to calm the crowd not to push them forward. The best way of using secret service espionage. Making a person famous so whenever a protest happens, pushing him forward to calm the crowd and cause diversion.


Can you explain why not to trust wikileaks, aside from the obvious reasons being it's run by a narcissistic libertarian douchebag? why would he lie lol

There was no information which wikileaks explained, which was not known before. Only you needed to search more. Wikileaks only summarized them and served them in a fashionable way under a fancy internet name "wikileaks".


"Trust" is merely of secondary concern. The fact that Western governments, who purport to support free speech, have cut of financial support from a legal organisation, whilst one can still make donations to de facto terrorist organisations like the KKK, is outrageous.

(at least, I think it's legal).

Don't be so naive. So much information could never be distributed on-line without permission of CIA or other secret services which are functioning on the internet. It is the easiest way to control the information which is going out on-line.

They just wanted us to get the taste of some reality, digest it and be confident about it and believe that the leaders of the world can not hide their dirts. But actually all information which is hidden was the most important and it will always stay hidden. It is a misleading act. Creating illusion.

Most of the information helped reshaping the middle east in these so called spring revolutions and caused much more damage to countries which wanted to be shaped by the US.

If the information in wikileaks was so important why did imperialist media mentioned about it day and night ? Why didn't they just hide it ?

[Kamos]

Wikileaks is untrustworthy indeed. How many cables do they claim to have? And how fast did they leak them? We gained nothing important so far, really, just a few "whoa omg! US are imperialists" cables, but we already know the US is imperialist. I don't think Assange was in the CIA's employ to start with, I just think he sold out in the end. After all, there was this piece of news that Assange allegedly withheld cables about Israel. Definitely cause for concern.

[Bardo]

Why would he publicly acknowledge that the efforts to shut wikileaks down are working?

[~Spectre]

Why would he publicly acknowledge that the efforts to shut wikileaks down are working?

Because they have legal action pending against groups like Mastercard. My guess is that if they can show that the blockade effectively killed them, it strengthens their chances of getting a court to lift the blockade.

[~Spectre]

All information was given to Assange

You sound like you don't have the slightest clue as to what you're talking about. Assange doesn't receive information. Wikileaks was a website to submit documents to. The process is automated.

These weird conspiracy theories and focus on "great men" that some of you have is just bizarre.

[~Spectre]

We gained nothing important so far, really, just a few "whoa omg! US are imperialists" cables

Depends what your definition of "important" is, I suppose.


That cable was released by WikiLeaks in May, 2011, and, as McClatchy put it at the time, “provides evidence that U.S. troops executed at least 10 Iraqi civilians, including a woman in her 70s and a 5-month-old infant, then called in an airstrike to destroy the evidence, during a controversial 2006 incident in the central Iraqi town of Ishaqi.” The U.S. then lied and claimed the civilians were killed by the airstrike. Although this incident had been previously documented by the U.N. special rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions, the high-profile release of the cable by WikiLeaks generated substantial attention (and disgust) in Iraq, which made it politically unpalatable for the Iraqi government to grant the legal immunity the Obama adminstration was seeking. Indeed, it was widely reported at the time the cable was released that it made it much more difficult for Iraq to allow U.S. troops to remain beyond the deadline under any conditions.

In other words, whoever leaked that cable cast light on a heinous American war crime and, by doing so, likely played some significant role in thwarting an agreement between the Obama and Maliki governments to keep U.S. troops in Iraq and thus helped end this stage of the Iraq war

[Void]

You sound like you don't have the slightest clue as to what you're talking about. Assange doesn't receive information. Wikileaks was a website to submit documents to. The process is automated.

These weird conspiracy theories and focus on "great men" that some of you have is just bizarre.

Assange= Allegorically Wikileaks.

Those are not conspiracy theories, they are just simple logics. Very obvious.

Anything which comes from capitalist/imperialist mass-media is untrustworthy, reasons explained before.

[~Spectre]

Anything which comes from capitalist/imperialist mass-media is untrustworthy, reasons explained before.

Wikileaks isn't "capitalist/imperialist mass-media". "Capitalist/Imperialist mass-media" was actually antagonistic towards Wikileaks.

So by your own logic...

[kid communist]

Oh man,WikiLeaks was a awesome!:(This is totally against free information!This sucks!I sure hope that if they put it back up,they ain't gonna start charging users

[Void]

Wikileaks isn't "capitalist/imperialist mass-media". "Capitalist/Imperialist mass-media" was actually antagonistic towards Wikileaks.

So by your own logic...

Nope not by my logic alone... Many people I talked in real agree on the fact.

Wikileaks was advertised by media. For advertising in media you only need to make a topic very dominant, cast it day and night, which was made. If the media did not behave antagonistic against wikileaks nobody would be interested in it anyway. This is so normal that media behaved antagonistic. It's in the very nature of the trick. If the media had really been antagonist, it would have never shown news about wikileaks, wikileaks would be reported as giving out confidential information and would just be removed in matter of seconds from internet.

It's obviously a trick and very easy to find it out. Only fools or kids believe them.

Wikileaks was used for manipulating governments in the world.

You may keep insisting, but it will not change the facts.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Wikileaks, however useful for slandering nations and politicians, did nothing to expose serious corruption and problems in the world governments. Much of the information was nothing surprising for most people.

Remember that for the most part, wikileaks was simply the information gathered from intercepted embassy cables. From these cables you aren't going to get much serious information.

If wikileaks goal was really to spread the truth they would have done so by flooding the net with the supposedly high-value information.

Also, notice how Bradley Manning, the soldier who released some of the more serious information to wikileaks was immediately found and arrested. This makes me suspicious of how exactly secure the website is.



I do enjoy the idea of wikileaks, however I do not trust it in the sense that it reveals any surprising, groundbreaking information, and have at times even considered them to be in cahoots with the CIA.

[kurr]

Can you explain why not to trust wikileaks, aside from the obvious reasons being it's run by a narcissistic libertarian douchebag? why would he lie lol
Assange never ran Wikileaks. Where did you get this? He is a spokesman for them.I really hope wikileaks bounces back. they are a vital source for information.

[Morgenstern]

Also, notice how Bradley Manning, the soldier who released some of the more serious information to wikileaks was immediately found and arrested. This makes me suspicious of how exactly secure the website is.


He was found because he told a person on an online chatroom about what he did. The guy on the chatroom then reported him. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/06/wikileaks-chat/

[ВАЛТЕР]

He was found because he told a person on an online chatroom about what he did. The guy on the chatroom then reported him. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/06/wikileaks-chat/

Wow, why would he go off and do something silly like that? Seems like a really stupid thing to do given the situation.

[~Spectre]

would just be removed in matter of seconds from internet.

It was removed in a matter of seconds from the internet. Following the Iraq war logs and the cable leaks, Wikileaks faced a massive denial of service attack, and had their servers harassed until they were dropped. In addition they had a financial blockade placed on them.

At this point I'm pretty sure you're just a troll.

[~Spectre]

Wikileaks, however useful for slandering nations

What in the fuck are you talking about? Who did wikileaks ever slander?



did nothing to expose serious corruption and problems in the world governments.

Strike 2

A scandal involving foreign contractors employed to train Afghan policemen who took drugs and paid for young "dancing boys" to entertain them in northern Afghanistan caused such panic that the interior minister begged the US embassy to try and "quash" the story, according to one of the US embassy cables released by WikiLeaks.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Wikileaks played a role in the unrest in Tunisia earlier this year. Some of the documents released confirmed what people already knew, that their government was rotten to the core.

[ВАЛТЕР]

What in the fuck are you talking about? Who did wikileaks ever slander?




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I meant that it was a good tool to find out dirty stuff about governments. and their actions. Slander probably wasn't a good term to use.

It is an excellent way to discredit the talk of "we're fighting for democracy and whatnot" kind of talks people bring up in defense of imperialism.

Somebody says that and you can immediately point to a cable that says otherwise.


That surprises you that stuff like that happens? I am not surprised. In fact I suspect even worse things to be going on. No surprise that some contractor payed for "dancing boys". They do far worse things. Like "thrill kills" and other bullshit.

[Morgenstern]

Wow, why would he go off and do something silly like that? Seems like a really stupid thing to do given the situation.

People are stupid. People are emotional creatures. He wanted someone to trust and he got betrayal instead.

[Yazman]

You sound like you don't have the slightest clue as to what you're talking about. Assange doesn't receive information. Wikileaks was a website to submit documents to. The process is automated.

These weird conspiracy theories and focus on "great men" that some of you have is just bizarre.

This post is very misleading. It's only the submission process that is automated. The actual verification, receipt and publication of the documents is not automated and a lot of materials they get are not released. Not to mention they have a team of people that do writeups and publications so most of their operation is pretty far from automated.

[Psy]

If the information in wikileaks was so important why did imperialist media mentioned about it day and night ? Why didn't they just hide it ?

You have a monolithic view of the ruling class, when the ruling class is as Marx said is like a band of warring brothers. The media was interested in ratings, and didn't want to lose market share to competing media.

[chegitz guevara]

Wikileaks has caused a lot of trouble for imperialism. In fact, we are where we are today in no small part because of Wikileaks adding fuel to the fire in Tunisia, which led to Egypt, which led to OWS! Of course they aren't the whole story, nor even a major part. They have, however, helped catalyze a global movement. Which is probably more than anyone here has ever done.

Manning wasn't caught and found because the state really wanted to go after him, but because he was stupid and did exactly what he was told not to do, which is talk about it. The person he talked to told the Feds.

Jealous haters. Thank Wikileaks and pick up the fucking torch you've been handed and burn down capitalism!

[Void]

God Bless Wikileaks