Cool Jazz

[Rastafari]

Who are the virtuoso players of feeling and soul?
Why?
(This is the Pharaoh Sanders Topic)

[Mr Mojo Risin]

here's a starting contribution: Coltrane. end of story.
the man's music is so good its spiritual, not just his composition but also his playing. I have A Love Supreme and Giant Steps (Thanks to Rastafari)

[Rastafari]

Pharaoh Sanders has some truly cosmic stuff as well.


Ah, Giant Steps and Shaft. What a good combination ;)

[Hampton]

Are guys like Stan Getz/Joao Gilberto or Dave Brubeck or the Bill Evans Trio...cuz that shit is sexy.

[EneME]

The man...Miles Davis of course, he only created "the birth of cool" and Ella...i love ella...

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Yeah, I have a Bill Evans album, he was a very good player, maybe the most influential of the 60's. He did some sexy stuff too, as you said, such as the Spartacus Love Theme.

Miles Davis is a master also. Listen to that song on Tutu that is just a jam which they cut up into pieces to make a jazz song out of it. Think about it, you've gotta be a real jazz player to be able to play to others in your ensemble in a totally unstructured jam and be able to make any coherent song out of it.
I like Brubeck because he proved that white people can do it too.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

I myself am leaning towards jazz rock fusion as my favorite brand, and so I really like some of Miles's later stuff, some herbie hancock, you know, that bag. I was watching the Isle of Wight music festival tape, and Miles is in there performing some awesome song with Chick Corea. I also like Herbie Hancock, of course.

[Goldfinger]

I'd say Miles and Coltrane.

[Rastafari]

Mingus
Ah
Um

Hell, Miles Davis was cool in the 40's for god's sake. Bop

Karate is a new rock-jazz band. Has anyone heard them?

[Soviet power supreme]

MARCUS MILLER!!!

YOU GOT NO BASS?
DAMN!
BUY A BASS YOU BUM!

[The Children of the Revolution]

Indeed - John Coltrane is the master.

But how about Art Blakey and/or Duke Ellington??

The "Dave Brubeck Quartet" are also a good choice... Hell, there are just so many!!!

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Mingus chose possibly the greatest album title ever for one of his releases: "Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus"

There are others who aren't quite as popular as Davis and Coltrane but who played on many famous cuts, such as Paul Desmond (Who released some material of his own) Paul Chambers, Jimmy Cobb, so many others. They deserve much credit also.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Rasta, I think you may be under rating Miles Davis.
Coltrane rocks.

[Goldfinger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 09:48 PM
Hell, Miles Davis was cool in the 40's for god's sake. Bop
His 80's stuff was real innovative

[Rastafari]

Rasta, I think you may be under rating Miles Davis.
Coltrane rocks.
Davis was "cool" before there was a cool. But yeah, I do under rate him. Everything he has every done (with the exception of his jazz rock stuff) can be found being done better by someone else if you care to look.

How could we forget Paul Chambers? Anyone good enough to lead a band based on their Bass abilities is probably a good bet.

http://users.skynet.be/sky19290/gramingus/ahum.JPG
reminds me of the bad ol' Latin days. Which is good, for some reason.

http://users.skynet.be/sky19290/graphic/mingus.JPG
your right man. awesome title

[Mr Mojo Risin]

indeed, "mingus, ah, um" brings back those old times. For those of you who haven't the slightest idea what the significance of what we mean by bringing up latin, the title "Mingus, ah, um" has to do with the way latin adjectives are formed. At least, thsi is the level of my comprehension of this title.

But yeah, man, good times.

[Danton]

Thing is, the expression "Cool Jazz" is used by a radio station in London which plays the uttermost cheesy cocktail kind of dinner Jazz cum aural wallpaper...

The antithesis of Pharoah Sanders brand of modal/astral Jazz oddities and sonic adventures - everyone of his tracks and others he's appeared on are challenging but rewarding almost spiritual journey's. Anti cool.

The Sun Ra Arkestra need a mention in this as does Eugene Mcdaniels, Mark Murphy, Art Tatum, Gil Evans, Bill Laswell, Alica Coltrane, Archie Shepp, Stanley Cowell, Billy Cobham etc..

For "the now" a good band is the Cinematic Orchestra....

[Rastafari]

McCoy Tyner got a good thing going by himself for a while

[Umoja]

Van Morisson, if only because I've played "Moon Dance" on trumpet for years. Then you got David Benoit and Dave Brubeck and Dave Gurnsin (He did "Moutain Dance"). Alot of davids.

[Rastafari]

David must be a pretty jazzy name, I guess

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 07:48 PM
Davis was "cool" before there was a cool. But yeah, I do under rate him. Everything he has every done (with the exception of his jazz rock stuff) can be found being done better by someone else if you care to look.
Really? Who? Because I'd sure love to hear it!

[praxis1966]

I think he was referring to Miles Davis. Thelonius Monk, Oscar Peterson, Donald Byrd, and Jaco Pastorius are also worth mentioning. Bella Fleck & the Flecktones are my current poison of choice, and the solo stuff by their bassist Victor Wuten is also excellent. I once saw a taped performance of Bella Fleck and the Flecktones in which Wuten played "Amazing Grace" using almost exclusively the natural harmonics on his bass; followed by launching into a solo/jazzed up version of the song. Fucking unreal!

P.S. If you're at all interested in Latin jazz, Arturo Sandoval is the king.

[canikickit]

Charlie Mingus particularily Fables of Faubus.

[Zafiro]

Miles,Corea & Mangione

[SonofRage]

Coltrane is the best hands down

[Rastafari]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2003, 05:29 AM
I think he was referring to Miles Davis. Thelonius Monk, Oscar Peterson, Donald Byrd, and Jaco Pastorius are also worth mentioning. Bella Fleck & the Flecktones are my current poison of choice, and the solo stuff by their bassist Victor Wuten is also excellent. I once saw a taped performance of Bella Fleck and the Flecktones in which Wuten played "Amazing Grace" using almost exclusively the natural harmonics on his bass; followed by launching into a solo/jazzed up version of the song. Fucking unreal!

P.S. If you're at all interested in Latin jazz, Arturo Sandoval is the king.
I just heard Bella Fleck on the radio and thought he was pretty good.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I love Bela Fleck, they're very good.

[Danton]

P.S. If you're at all interested in Latin jazz, Arturo Sandoval is the king.

Yeah? The king of fucking Cuba over for a few dollars...
In Latin music there is only one "king"...
"El Rey" Tito Puente...

[Mr Mojo Risin]

hey, I love Sandoval, but i'm more impressed that some of you cats recognize the man. Nobody else has a clue.

Bela Fleck is without a doubt the world's premier banjo player. Victor Wooten is likewise amazing, I almost ended up going to one of his shows in Newport, KY about a month ago. Both wooten and fleck are groundbreaking in their instruments.
http://www.z93.com/dunhams/belafleck_hires015-5-02.jpg

[Rastafari]

wasn't Jon going to learn banjo?
he called me one day and was asking about where he could get lessons.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

ooh baby, that's a big picture.
my bad.
much better
http://www.globalbass.com/archives/sept2000/victa.1.gif

[Rastafari]

do you know who does bass for the Doors in the studio?
my dad raided my collection last night and listened to "Strange Days" 5 times (he was PISSED that they were "One of the Worst Bands of All Time") in the car.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

I'm not sure. Of course, Ray Manzarek played the bass with his left hand while on the road, and this limited their musical possibilities, but oh well. ANyway, the only place I've ever seen listings of who played what track was I think a hendrix box set, and I'm not sure who played with the doors in the studio. Interesting though....

I was thinking, they were probably rated one of the worst bands because of some of the obscene things Jim got into in his later days, things that probably don't sit well with the W.A.S.P.s who wrote that magazine, if you know what I mean.

[Rastafari]

http://themes.tucows.com/images/shots/wallpaper/jimlamb-800x600.jpg

its a victimless crime....the lamb looks very happy!

[Mr Mojo Risin]

as does jim, it was a win-win situation. He alledgedly exposed himself in Miami also, at which point the cops shut down the show. And somebody told me he pissed in a security guard's face in New Haven, after he got maced backstage by that security guard. Either way, though, the lamb was good.

[praxis1966]

Sandoval didn't fuck over Cuba for a few dollars. He left because the establishment down there refused to let him play what he wanted to. There's a good bio-flick on him starring Andy Garcia if you care to watch it.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

and yes, i think jon was going to try to learn banjo. Haven't heard much of anyt'ing about his progress though.

[Danton]

Sandoval didn't fuck over Cuba for a few dollars. He left because the establishment down there refused to let him play what he wanted to. There's a good bio-flick on him starring Andy Garcia if you care to watch it.

Iv'e seen that movie, it's portrayal of Fidel's regime as fascistic is exactly the kind of dogshit you would expect. The Miami exiles funded it, Garcia being a gusano himself plays Arturo Sandoval (a mediocre player) as some kind of freedom fighting hero - reality does'nt get a look in... Gloria Estafan (Daddy was in the bay of pigs fiasco) get's a cameo as I recall..

Utter crap...