It's Official: Sharia Law for Libya

[Seth]

http://gulfnews.com/news/region/libya/jalil-vows-to-uphold-islamic-law-1.917123
NTC chief pledges to make sharia basic source of legislation in new Libya


Reuters
Published: 00:00 October 24, 2011
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Image Credit: AFP
Libyan women wave their new national flag as they celebrate, following the official declaration of liberation of the entire country, in the city of Misrata on Sunday.


Benghazi: Libya's new rulers declared the country freed from Muammar Gaddafi's 42 years of one-man rule yesterday, saying the "Pharaoh of the times" was now in history's garbage bin and a democratic future beckoned.
Tens of thousands who until this year's revolt had known only Gaddafi's all-powerful police state packed a square in the second city Benghazi to hear the interim National Transitional Council (NTC) announce Libya had liberated itself fully. NTC chief Mustafa Abdul Jalil kneeled in prayer after taking the podium and promised to uphold Islamic law.
Jalil set out a vision for the post-Gaddafi future, saying that Sharia law would be the "basic source" of legislation in the country and that existing laws that contradict the teachings of Islam would be nullified.
"All the martyrs, the civilians and the army had waited for this moment. But now they are in the best of places ... eternal heaven," he said, shaking hands with supporters.
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Some fear Jalil, a mild-mannered former justice minister, will find it difficult to impose his will on his fractious revolutionary alliance, pointing to the insistence of the city of Misrata on displaying the body of the former strongman three days after his death, in apparent breach of Islamic practice.
International disquiet
And there is international disquiet about increasingly graphic and disturbing images on the internet of abuse of a body that appears to be Gaddafi's following his capture and the fall of his hometown of Sirte on Thursday.
But the immediate reaction to yesterday's announcement was jubilation.
"We are the Libyans. We have shown you who we are Gaddafi, you Pharaoh of the times. You have fallen into the garbage bin of history," said lawyer Abdul Rahman Al Qeesy, who announced the creation of a new government portfolio to deal with victims of the conflict.
"We declare to the whole world that we have liberated our beloved country, with its cities, villages, hilltops, mountains, deserts and skies," said an official who opened the ceremony in Benghazi, the place where the uprising erupted in February and which has been the headquarters for the NTC.
Cheering crowds waved the tri-colour flag.
Gaddafi, who had vowed to fight to the end, was found hiding in a drain after fleeing Sirte, the last bastion of his loyalists. He died in chaotic circumstances after video footage showed him bloodied and struggling at the hands of his captors.
Prosperity
With big oil and gas reserves and a six million population, Libya has the potential to become very prosperous, but regional rivalries fostered by Gaddafi could erupt into yet more violence that would undermine the authority of Jalil's NTC.
"There is a yawning security and political vacuum in which brewing political disputes, factionalism and security problems pose a serious risk of derailing or prolonging transition," said Henry Wilkinson of Janusian security consultants in London.
In Misrata, people queuing for a chance to see Gaddafi's body saw no reason for a rapid burial, apparently not moved by concern in Tripoli about how the NTC is perceived overseas.
Allahu Akbar! *fires assault rifle in air

[Kamos]

LONG LIVE LIBYAN FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY!:rolleyes:

[Void]

Gandalf (Gaddafi) was defeated by Balrog

Libya = Good Game

Gandalf (Gaddafi) : Run... fools !

[Tim Cornelis]

i.e. nothing much changes. May I remind you that independent Islamic courts already exist, that the cutting of limbs is already enforced for Islamic offenses? Islamic law is already in place with some exceptions, these exceptions will be erased, which will allow for a more unjust system.

Western powers already knew the majority of NTC were Islamists, by the way. They supported and armed them nonetheless. Afghanistan 2.0.

[ВАЛТЕР]

http://merovee.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/cyber-jihad.jpg
Derka derka!

So much for "Democracy and freedom" as promised by NATO...

[tir1944]

Allahu Akbar!:rolleyes::thumbdown:

[RedSonRising]

http://merovee.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/cyber-jihad.jpg
Derka derka!

So much for "Democracy and freedom" as promised by NATO...

Did you really just characterize Libyan people like that, comrade?

[ВАЛТЕР]

Did you really just characterize Libyan people like that, comrade?

No I characterized reactionary Islamist fundamentalist people like that.

I was a staunch supporter of Gaddafi's fight against the NATO backed rebels, and spent much time discussing the situation with Libyan students in Belgrade as the war was being fought.

Is joking not permitted on this forum?

[Os Cangaceiros]

from wiki:


In 1973, Gaddafi suspended all legislation, and stated that sharia would be the law of the land.[11] The dual-court system was also abolished that year, replaced by a single court system which aimed to bring together Islamic and secular principles.[12] However, by 1974, progress in the Islamicisation of the law had come to a halt.

let's hope history repeats itself, huh? :rolleyes:

[OHumanista]

God is good and great!
*comemorates by shooting some unarmed people with my american rifle*

[Commissar Rykov]

What excellent news. Huzzah for Freedom!

[ВАЛТЕР]

from wiki:



let's hope history repeats itself, huh? :rolleyes:

Hmm, 1974? Right about the time he started being a regular visitor in Yugoslavia. Maybe he learned a bit on religious tolerance in Yugoslavia from Comrade Tito. :)

[RedSonRising]

No I characterized reactionary Islamist fundamentalist people like that.

I was a staunch supporter of Gaddafi's fight against the NATO backed rebels, and spent much time discussing the situation with Libyan students in Belgrade as the war was being fought.

Is joking not permitted on this forum?


'Derka Derka' would offend more than just religious fundamentalists. I'm sure you didn't mean any harm but there's a difference between just joking and including racist epithets in there.

[ВАЛТЕР]

'Derka Derka' would offend more than just religious fundamentalists. I'm sure you didn't mean any harm but there's a difference between just joking and including racist epithets in there.

Or it can be a quote from a movie, in which only the "Islamic extremists" spoke like that.

Either way, I don't think it is your place to call me out on being a "racist", I'm pretty sure we have mods for that. No need to be upset over a picture and a few words, no harm was meant and it seems only you took offense to it. People can take my posts how they want, and I stand behind everything I say and do and will apologize for nothing.

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

God is good and great!
*comemorates by shooting some unarmed people with my american rifle*


Allahu Akbar!:rolleyes::thumbdown:

F + U.

I don't see what the big deal is or for that matter how it would hinder democracy, freedom, rada, rada.


http://merovee.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/cyber-jihad.jpg
Derka derka!


It's against forum rules to post pictures of members.


'Derka Derka' would offend more than just religious fundamentalists. I'm sure you didn't mean any harm but there's a difference between just joking and including racist epithets in there.

It can be offensive in some contexts but not always and I am speaking about myself personally.

The full movie quote "dirka dirka Muhammad jihad," is on my profile here if that tells you anything.

[RedSonRising]

Or it can be a quote from a movie, in which only the "Islamic extremists" spoke like that.

Either way, I don't think it is your place to call me out on being a "racist", I'm pretty sure we have mods for that. No need to be upset over a picture and a few words, no harm was meant and it seems only you took offense to it. People can take my posts how they want, and I stand behind everything I say and do and will apologize for nothing.


I'm not trying to make it seem like you meant any harm, but I see a problem with people who are supposed to crusade for social justice using words commonly used to degrade people of color from the Middle East in a joke and then justifying it because its included in some movie dissing our ideological enemies. That's all. Again, I'm sure you didn't mean any harm and I understand what you were trying to get at, but I'm not about to say it's appropriate to include derogatory language with racist connotations on a forum advocating liberation for oppressed people, whether I'm a mod or not.

[Robocommie]

http://merovee.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/cyber-jihad.jpg
Derka derka!


Dude, fuck off with that racist "derka derka" bullshit and your fucking Team America puppets. Why don't you call them towelheads and Hajjis while you're at it?

[khad]

One thing you must all consider is that this user isn't American, so he may not know the full context of all this shit.

C_qzEY8R3rU


I was out in the sands of Iraq
And we were under attack
And I, well, I didn’t know where to go.

And the first thing that I could see was
Everybody’s favorite Burger King
So I threw open the door and I hit the floor.

Then suddenly to my surprise
I looked up and I saw her eyes
And I knew it was love at first sight.

And she said…
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
Hadji girl, I can’t understand what you’re saying.

And she said…
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
Hadji girl, I love you anyway.

Then she said that she wanted me to see.
She wanted me to go meet her family
But I, well, I couldn’t figure out how to say no.

Cause I don’t speak Arabic.

So, she took me down an old dirt trail.
And she pulled up to a side shanty
And she threw open the door and I hit the floor.

Cause her brother and her father shouted…
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
They pulled out their AKs so I could see

And they said…
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
So I grabbed her little sister, and pulled her in front of me.

As the bullets began to fly
The blood sprayed from between her eyes
And then I laughed maniacally

Then I hid behind the TV
And I locked and loaded my M-16
And I blew those little f*ckers to eternity.

And I said…
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
They should have known they were f*ckin’ with a Marine.

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

Dude, fuck off with that racist "derka derka" bullshit and your fucking Team America puppets. Why don't you call them towelheads and Hajjis while you're at it?

Excuse me, can I decide what is and isn't offensive to me? Is that possible? Can I be afforded that luxury? Him saying "derka derka," doesn't offend me and I am Muslim, Arab and from the desert. Not to mention, I have the same quote, in full on my profile. Thank you.

[Robocommie]

Excuse me, can I decide what is and isn't offensive to me? Is that possible? Can I be afforded that luxury? Him saying "derka derka," doesn't offend me and I am Muslim, Arab and from the desert. Not to mention, I have the same quote, in full on my profile. Thank you.

Oh no shit, I didn't realize your background gives you the authority to just decide what's offensive. Just because it's not fucked up to you doesn't mean it's not fucked up to anyone else, man.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Dude, fuck off with that racist "derka derka" bullshit and your fucking Team America puppets. Why don't you call them towelheads and Hajjis while you're at it?

Quit being so fucking butthurt over a picture, it's a picture. Did I offend you? Fuck off then, it is a joke. If you don't like it then don't laugh. Or tell a better one yourself. "Derka derka" is racist? I don't think so, If you do that is your problem.

Like I said earlier, I did not mean any harm.

If you want to view it as racist, then do so. However know that it wasn't meant to be racist.
If you actually think I am a racist that takes the time to post and converse on a leftist forum full of left-wing, non-racist, and internationalist ideas, then you are mistaken.

Clearly this picture proves my incessant hate with all middle-eastern people and I am obviously a huge bigot. /Sarcasm

Really guys, get off your high-horses and lighten the fuck up.

[Robocommie]

Quit being so fucking butthurt over a picture, it's a picture. Did I offend you? Fuck off then, it is a joke. If you don't like it then don't laugh. Or tell a better one yourself. "Derka derka" is racist? I don't think so, If you do that is your problem.

Like I said earlier, I did not mean any harm.

If you want to view it as racist, then do so. However know that it wasn't meant to be racist.
If you actually think I am a racist that takes the time to post and converse on a leftist forum full of left-wing, non-racist, and internationalist ideas, then you are mistaken.

Clearly this picture proves my incessant hate with all middle-eastern people and I am obviously a huge bigot. /Sarcasm

Really guys, get off your high-horses and lighten the fuck up.

"Lighten the fuck up, it's just a joke, I'm not a racist, I can't believe you'd consider me to be a racist, since I'm clearly not, fuck off if you can't take a joke"

Shit, I have never heard motherfuckers say this shit while being racist before.

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

Oh no shit, I didn't realize you being Muslim and an Arab automatically gives you the authority to decide what is and isn't offensive for all Muslim Arabs and people from the desert. My bad.

That isn't the meaning behind my post, I am just throwing my two cents here. I am more offended by members here saying the takbir inappropriately and as a one-liner post within the context of this thread than I am someone saying a phrase that I have used myself. The phrase can be offensive in some contexts like say for example, some redneck asshole is trying to mock me or how I talk then yeah, I'd be offended however I don't see what he said as being that offensive to me on the face of it. After thinking about it though, I don't really like the idea of him saying it in the manner that he did given the subject matter of the thread, no.

[Robocommie]

That isn't the meaning behind my post, I am just throwing my two cents here. I am more offended by members here saying the takbir inappropriately and as a one-liner post within the context of this thread than I am someone saying a phrase that I have used myself. The phrase can be offensive in some contexts like say for example, some redneck asshole is trying to mock me or how I talk then yeah, I'd be offended however I don't see what he said as being that offensive to me on the face of it. After thinking about it though, I don't really like the idea of him saying it in the manner that he did given the subject matter of the thread, no.

That's all I'm saying man. There's a big difference between you saying it, or you not being bothered by someone saying it, and him saying it like it's a totally cool thing to do.

I'm really okay with being seen as overly rigid on this one. Islamaphobia and dehumanization of Islamic-majority cultures in general being such a real thing these days.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Sorry I started a fucking flame-war over this.

However, like i said: take it how you want. If you think it is racist think so, at this point I don't give a shit.

[Franz Fanonipants]

You're fucking racist.

You should probably spend some time thinking about what it is that makes you want to be involved with a (lol) "left-wing, internationalist" set of ideas.

Because you're fucking racist.

[The Jay]

Sorry I started a fucking flame-war over this.

However, like i said: take it how you want. If you think it is racist think so, at this point I don't give a shit.

I don't think you're a racist and anyone that doesn't know that that movie was a parody of imperialism is a moron. That said, a mod'll prob tell you to take it off soon.

[Hivemind]

HURR DURR YOU'RE RACIST!

You guys get so worked up over words that you yourselves give meaning to, and get massively butthurt over something so fucking trivial, grow some fucking balls (let me guess, that makes me sexist :laugh:), and realize that words and language are social constructs, and you only give certain words power over others by acting like they're worth more than a bunch of sounds coming out of a sentient animal's mouth. In this case it's even less than that, not even remotely trying to offend anyone of another race, Jesus Christ!

[ВАЛТЕР]

This is my first post, out of 466 that somebody has had a problem with, but whatever. From this one post you can conclude I am a racist. You people are seriously fucking stupid.

This has obviously become some kind of vendetta against me for something that was unintentional and taken out of context. Never had a complaint about being racist before, but I guess there's a first time for everything.

Considering my mothers side of the family is Bosnian Muslim, and my fathers Bosnian Serb I'm pretty sure I know what discrimination is and is not. You people need to loosen up.

[Franz Fanonipants]

If you think someone is "butthurt" because you're using racist fucking talking points, you should probably quit the Leftist club.

I'm not offended by racist bullshit, I just am smart enough to know what it is.

[Le Socialiste]

"As long as they include private property and allow the free market in I don't care what they do."

- My dumbass uncle. :glare:

[Sam_b]

The amount of Islamohpbic and quasi-racist shit in this thread is staggering. Not surprising it comes from white people with orientalist attitudes towards places they don't really know.

[Franz Fanonipants]

I don't think you're a racist and anyone that doesn't know that that movie was a parody of imperialism is a moron. That said, a mod'll prob tell you to take it off soon.

"The way that blacks act on BET is pure shame."

Get the fuck out dude.

[Robocommie]

Since the fuck when did Revleft start taking Libertarian crib notes on race and racist language? "Doesn't apply to me, it's just a joke, they're just words"

Fucking A, man.

[RedSonRising]

"As long as they include private property and allow the free market in I don't care what they do."

- My dumbass uncle. :glare:


That's probably the worst summation of a political/ideological stance I've ever heard. I feel for you comrade.

[Le Socialiste]

You guys get so worked up over words that you yourselves give meaning to, and get massively butthurt over something so fucking trivial, grow some fucking balls (let me guess, that makes me sexist :laugh:)

Kinda, yeah. :rolleyes:

[Hexen]

grow some fucking balls (let me guess, that makes me sexist :laugh:)

Yes it does because your associating strength & bravery with male gentiles while society vice versaly in the other hand associate female gentiles as cowardliness. This is one form of misogyny that has been inbred in our society.

[Robocommie]

I don't think you're a racist and anyone that doesn't know that that movie was a parody of imperialism is a moron. That said, a mod'll prob tell you to take it off soon.

Yeah, Trey Parker and Matt Stone are anti-imperialist luminaries, using racist puppets to masterfully weave a story about the follies of casting Muslims in a negative light. :rolleyes:

[Franz Fanonipants]

Since the fuck when did Revleft start taking Libertarian crib notes on race and racist language? "Doesn't apply to me, it's just a joke, they're just words"

Fucking A, man.

I blame the Amazing Atheist or w/e

[ВАЛТЕР]

I have been accused of being a racist, and an Islamophobe, with half of my family being Muslim. And with myself attending anti-nato protests and speaking with Libyan students in Belgrade about the situation in Libya during the conflict. I am obviously a class-A Islamophobe, racist, nazi, fascist somehow. :rolleyes:

This thread has literally degraded itself into nothing. "hurr durr I'm offended even though I know nothing about the posters background and life I'm going to accuse him of being a racist."

[Robocommie]

I have been accused of being a racist, and an Islamophobe, with half of my family being Muslim. And with myself attending anti-nato protests and speaking with Libyan students in Belgrade about the situation in Libya during the conflict. I am obviously a class-A Islamophobe, racist, nazi, fascist somehow. :rolleyes:

This thread has literally degraded itself into nothing. "hurr durr I'm offended even though I know nothing about the posters background and life I'm going to accuse him of being a racist."

Your background doesn't mean shit dude, this is the internet. I can claim to be a Rabbi, doesn't mean I get to spout off anti-Semitic slurs because I clearly don't hate Jews, since after all, I'm a Rabbi.

[Sam_b]

Excuse me, can I decide what is and isn't offensive to me? Is that possible? Can I be afforded that luxury? Him saying "derka derka," doesn't offend me and I am Muslim, Arab and from the desert.

So only Arabs and Muslims are permitted to be offended by Islamophobic statements?

[Franz Fanonipants]

Comrade, I don't care if you personally befriended Muhammad via Soviet-powered time machine.

You're fucking racist.

And if not actively racist, just kind of dumb.

[RedGrunt]

Honestly, the picture and comments may have been uncalled for but the reaction became equally shit. Just trash this crap.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Comrade, I don't care if you personally befriended Muhammad via Soviet-powered time machine.

You're fucking racist.

And if not actively racist, just kind of dumb.

You people are so fucking arrogant and think you are somehow better than everyone. You are a piece of shit that is wasting his time accusing a person of being a racist because of ONE post, that EVERYBODY else took as a joke, except for you few shining beacons of light, that will lead us to a perfect world.

YOU ARE OVER-ANALYZING A JOKE.

[Seth]

Can we talk about the topic, that being Sharia Law in the new Libyan regime in case anyone forgot?

[Franz Fanonipants]

YOU ARE OVER-ANALYZING A JOKE.

a funnier joke would be rad next time. alhamduillah or islam is the light or something.

unfortunately, you chose some dumb shit to bust out.

[Franz Fanonipants]

Can we talk about the topic, that being Sharia Law in the new Libyan regime in case anyone forgot?

I believe that the rollout and deployment of such will probably not be very complete. Of course, the capacity does exist for it to go full-blown, xenophobic, baby-eating Shariah law but I doubt it'll happen.

Theoretically, Gaddafi ruled via Islamic Law as well, right?

[Seth]

I believe that the rollout and deployment of such will probably not be very complete.


Eh, what?


Theoretically, Gaddafi ruled via Islamic Law as well, right?

I thought he was secular for most of his rule.

[OHumanista]

The amount of angry people ranting against imaginary racism of a comrade and totally derailing the thread is absurd.
Also to those who defend Sharia law and call anyone else a know nothing white western I ask you. Where is the equality and democracy in enshrining a single religion to the detriment of secularism and all other creeds?

You're free to have your faith but if you want to mix it with politics and law and force it down other people's throats I am against you.

[Le Socialiste]

I'm getting tired of watching threads devolve into matters not directly linked to the OP(s). While some really bad statements were made, this argument would be best suited someplace else (or carried on in private). Otherwise, everyone just gets to witness another thread go to shit. :crying:

[ВАЛТЕР]

a funnier joke would be rad next time. alhamduillah or islam is the light or something.

unfortunately, you chose some dumb shit to bust out.

Then say that. Tell me my joke isn't funny and add your own, or don't.
Don't immediately jump to conclusions and claim I am a racist because of a single post.

At this point, everything I say has been replied with something along the lines of: "That's something a racist denying he is a racist would say."

Seriously, correct me. Explain to me why you didn't find the joke funny if you don't like it. Nobody is forcing you to laugh, others liked the post, you didn't. That's okay, but you don't have to jump to accusations of racism in response to a single post.

[Franz Fanonipants]

I thought he was secular for most of his rule.

I don't think that's the case. I'm pretty sure that Gaddafi was a very publicly devout man, and his government claimed to function on Islamic principles.

[Robocommie]

You people are so fucking arrogant and think you are somehow better than everyone. You are a piece of shit that is wasting his time accusing a person of being a racist because of ONE post, that EVERYBODY else took as a joke, except for you few shining beacons of light, that will lead us to a perfect world.

So what's the argument? Everyone who agrees with you is fine with it, so everyone who doesn't agree with you are just arrogant who thinks we're better than everyone?



YOU ARE OVER-ANALYZING A JOKE.

For fuck's sakes dude, just because you were joking doesn't mean people aren't going to be mad at you. What the fuck world do you live in where jokes don't ever push people too far?

[Franz Fanonipants]

Also to those who defend Sharia law and call anyone else a know nothing white western I ask you. Where is the equality and democracy in enshrining a single religion to the detriment of secularism and all other creeds?

Fuck democracy and equality.

E: That said, what you all should really be concerned w/is Imperialism and not the way that religion allegedly interacts with the state in a colonized state.

Almost like this crazy anti-Shariah fury is kind of besides the point. Implemented by a side that has an abiding interest in pushing class issues to the back of discourse.

[Franz Fanonipants]

That's okay, but you don't have to jump to accusations of racism in response to a single post.

Bro if you're going to take it to a singularly unfunny place then you've already decided to fuck up the discourse enough to be corrected.

The asshole who comes into a thread about police brutality and posts an image of Cartman in his "Respect mah authoritah" outfit deserves to be called on his bullshit.

You've been called on it, refuckinglax and get the fuck out of the thread if all you're going to do is whine about how you're considered a racist for posting stupid, racist bullshit.

[ВАЛТЕР]

So what's the argument? Everyone who agrees with you is fine with it, so everyone who doesn't agree with you are just arrogant who thinks we're better than everyone?



For fuck's sakes dude, just because you were joking doesn't mean people aren't going to be mad at you. What the fuck world do you live in where jokes don't ever push people too far?

I live in the Balkans, where people don't take jokes to heart and don't get offended over humor...Anybody who gets mad at a joke is an idiot and deserves to be mocked, that is the consensus here. I have never gotten angry over a joke because if you do you are immedietly in for it even more. There are MILLIONS of "Bosnians are stupid" jokes which Bosnians themselves laugh at, make up themselves, and tell. Same goes for "Montenegrins are lazy" jokes, "Slovenians are cheap", etc etc.

Here if you get mad over a joke everybody assumes you are socially inept and tears you apart with ridicule.
Maybe the cultural differences were lost here on you guys, but know that no harm was meant.

[Robocommie]

The cultural differences thing goes both ways here chief, which is why you don't just say and do whatever you want and then get mad at other people for not being cool with it. If you think we should be sensitive to the fact that no harm was meant, you should probably be sensitive to the fact that offense was taken. That's part of being an adult. It's not just putting the responsibility off on people who get mad. That's dumb. Don't expect everywhere you go to react to things the same way they will in the Balkans - assuming your personal experiences are genuinely universally true there.

Anyway, whatever, I've spent too much time on this as it is. Deal with this however, Revleft.

[Franz Fanonipants]

oh god seriously guys

anyways, this thread is based on a lot of islamophobic bullshit. gadaffi was an "islamist" and this imperialist puppet government will be "islamist." anything else is liberal terror at the implementation of ideas.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Bro if you're going to take it to a singularly unfunny place then you've already decided to fuck up the discourse enough to be corrected.

The asshole who comes into a thread about police brutality and posts an image of Cartman in his "Respect mah authoritah" outfit deserves to be called on his bullshit.

You've been called on it, refuckinglax and get the fuck out of the thread if all you're going to do is whine about how you're considered a racist for posting stupid, racist bullshit.

You are the ones "whining" about how "racist" I am. Isn't it easier for you to shut up and give me the benefit of the doubt seeing as this is my first "racist" post than to jump all over me like a pack of hyenas?

[ВАЛТЕР]

The cultural differences thing goes both ways here chief, which is why you don't just say and do whatever you want and then get mad at other people for not being cool with it. Not everyone agrees with you, they're mostly just mad this thread got derailed. If you think we should be sensitive to the fact that no harm was meant, you should probably be sensitive to the fact that offense was taken. That's part of being an adult. It's not just putting the responsibility off on people who get mad. That's dumb.

Anyway, whatever, I've spent too much time on this as it is. Deal with this however, Revleft.

I already stated I meant no harm. You need to quit being achild about it by taking everyhting so personally. YOU derailed the thread with telling me"

"Dude, fuck off with that racist "derka derka" bullshit and your fucking Team America puppets. Why don't you call them towelheads and Hajjis while you're at it?"

"Fuck off"?" No YOU fuck off" is going to be my response every time. There is a nice way to do things and an asshole way to do things. You chose the asshole course of action.

[Robocommie]

oh god seriously guys

anyways, this thread is based on a lot of islamophobic bullshit. gadaffi was an "islamist" and this imperialist puppet government will be "islamist." anything else is liberal terror at the implementation of ideas.

Well, I would like to point out that this is the NTC chief saying it'll be a government guided primarily by sharia law which frankly, may very well be 1) bullshit meant to win points with the Islamist factions in Libyan politics and 2) the voice of a minority group which is speaking for the whole. I mean who knows, maybe next week this guy will be dead in a ditch and the new NTC chief will be talking about restoring the glorious monarchy and instituting "western democracy and justice."

[Franz Fanonipants]

Well, I would like to point out that this is the NTC chief saying it'll be a government guided primarily by sharia law which frankly, may very well be 1) bullshit meant to win points with the Islamist factions in Libyan politics and 2) the voice of a minority group which is speaking for the whole. I mean who knows, maybe next week this guy will be dead in a ditch and the new NTC chief will be talking about restoring the glorious monarchy and instituting "western democracy and justice."

well u see it is a war of ideas and

[Seth]

I think Valter's comment was dumb, but stop derailing the thread. jesus.

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

So only Arabs and Muslims are permitted to be offended by Islamophobic statements?

No, I suppose not, again, I was just throwing in my two pence here and stating how I personally took it. When writing that I was irritated by members flipping out and saying you're racist for saying it when I myself have used it. I do think I should have a say in matters pertaining to myself or groups that I am a part of, yes. Context does matter and I don't really like how it was used but I was more offended with the members who said the takbir, that's what's most offensive to me in this thread. That's directly insulting and offensive.


Also to those who defend Sharia law and call anyone else a know nothing white western I ask you. Where is the equality and democracy in enshrining a single religion to the detriment of secularism and all other creeds?

I don't see how the shari'a would hinder or prevent any of the above.


You're free to have your faith but if you want to mix it with politics and law and force it down other people's throats I am against you.

This is not the shari'a.

[Robocommie]

I think Valter's comment was dumb, but stop derailing the thread. jesus.

I don't get the mentality behind this. Should we just not say something when people make dumb comments? And what thread, exactly, is there to derail? People started making dumb comments on the very first page, and from then on it was mostly reactions to the comments and defenses of the comments.

[Franz Fanonipants]

I think Valter's comment was dumb, but stop derailing the thread. jesus.

The points to keep the thread going have already been made dude.

Worrying about Shari'a law is hopelessly liberal. What do you think?

[Robocommie]

Context does matter and I don't really like how it was used but I was more offended with the members who said the takbir, that's what's most offensive to me in this thread. That's directly insulting and offensive.

Fwiw, I'm with you on that.

[Franz Fanonipants]

I don't get the mentality behind this. Should we just not say something when people make dumb comments? And what thread, exactly, is there to derail? People started making dumb comments on the very first page, and from then on it was mostly reactions to the comments and defenses of the comments.

The thing is that dude isn't going to admit he did something stupid. Hence the "No it is you who is the whiner" rhetoric.

So onto making fun of comrades who are worried about shari'a more than they are capital.

[Franz Fanonipants]

i for one am very concerned w/the advancement of islamic law in the democratic west.

[ВАЛТЕР]

For what it is worth, I may have offended somebody with my post, it wasn't meant to be offensive. I chose a picture of a puppet because I thought it was funny, and a better option then picking an actual person.

If you are mad, be mad I really don't care. If you have a problem tell me what your problem is. Don't accuse me of racism from a single post. You chose to argue with me over an irrelevant post that was meant to mock the so called "freedom fighters". You chose to call me a "fucking racist" implying I meant that post with some kind of malice.

Maybe the post was offensive, but racist it was not meant to be. I'll say it again, there is a nice way to tell someone you find something inappropriate, or offensive, maybe my post was not appropriate but it does not warrant accusing me of being a "fucking racist".

If you took offense, know that I did not mean for you to and I did not mean any harm.

If you actually believe I am a racist, then you need to rethink what it takes to call somebody a racist, because that is a serious accusation to throw around.

[Magón]

Now I definitely know I'm going to miss Gaddafi's UN Speeches.

VvOo5LK22sg
:crying::crying::crying:

[Os Cangaceiros]

The amount of angry people ranting against imaginary racism of a comrade and totally derailing the thread is absurd.
Also to those who defend Sharia law and call anyone else a know nothing white western I ask you. Where is the equality and democracy in enshrining a single religion to the detriment of secularism and all other creeds?

You're free to have your faith but if you want to mix it with politics and law and force it down other people's throats I am against you.

I'm opposed to any form of religious authority, as well, but I think there are definitely some complexities insofar as what "sharia law" is. For example, the way sharia is used in Malaysia is very different from the way Islamic law is used in Saudi Arabia. The ranting of bigots in the USA and Europe concerning the Islamopacalypse that's supposedly engulfing western civilization makes me a little bit understanding of people who get irritated by the phrase.

Islamists are enemies of the working class though, and they should be given no quarter (they certainly haven't ever given their enemies any).

[The Jay]

Get the fuck out dude.

No, you get the fuck out ;).

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

i for one am very concerned w/the advancement of islamic law in the democratic west.

What "advancement of Islamic law in the democratic West"? I also think it's kind of funny how some in the left drop everything and instantly start refering to 'Western' nations as being "democratic," and "free," whenever Islam or the shari'a or anything pertaining to Muslims is mentioned or being discussed; makes me giggle.

69wBG6ULNzQ

إِنَّا لِلّهِ وَإِنَّـا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعونَ

[Agathor]

No, it's not official. Condolences to those of you who are oddly jubilant at the idea of Libya becoming a tyranny. Jalil is not the supreme authority in the NTC. His vague rhetoric does not constitute a decree, nor even an official statement of policy. The man in charge is Ali Tarhouni, who is effectively the Prime Minister. If the people who actually run the show in Libya start talking about specific Sharia legislation that they will enforce, I will listen. Until then, hush.

It's unclear what Jalil's function in the government, if any, is. He resigned in February.

Also, there is supposed to be an election in two years. Whether it will materialize is not clear. But it's far from certain that the transitional government will become permanent.

[La Comédie Noire]

It's alright to oppose a religion having judicial and legislative powers, but it's quite another thing to consider Islam as inherently barbaric and reactionary. If people in the Middle East are to have secular democracies, they will have to make them themselves and they will not be a carbon copy of western democracies. The dichotomy between secular and religious is not so clear cut as it seems either. For instance, some of us in Europe and America live in largely secular societies yet our laws and ethics are based in Christianity. So it will be with the middle east, which has it's own history and traditions.

[Iraultzaile Ezkerreko]

I find it funny that everyone got pissed off about a comrade posting one line - admittedly in poor taste - which made fun of a language, when all the comrade who posted one-liners abusing the takbir and turning a statement of faith into an all-encompassing epithet for Islamism went un-reprimanded. Want to talk about Islamophobia? How about people equating Islam the religion with Islamism the political ideology. Seriously, you're all a bunch of hypocrites.

[Robocommie]

It's alright to oppose a religion having judicial and legislative powers, but it's quite another thing to consider Islam as inherently barbaric and reactionary. If people in the Middle East are to have secular democracies, they will have to make them themselves and they will not be a carbon copy of western democracies. The dichotomy between secular and religious is not so clear cut as it seems either. For instance, some of us in Europe and America live in largely secular societies yet our laws and ethics are based in Christianity. So it will be with the middle east, which has it's own history and traditions.

I think that's an excellent way to put it, well said. Life is seldom about clear, hard lines. Almost everything is blurred at the edges. We also have to ask ourselves, if a community council under socialism/Communism were to prefer to enact local laws and policies that were informed by their religion, would it be democratic to oppose it solely on those grounds?

[GatesofLenin]

Doesn't Sharia Law follow rules like this:

Man - Dog - Plants - Woman

Forget equal rights now.

[Ocean Seal]

Its strange, this forum. Once full of rebel supporters seems to have lost them? And the saddest thing, is that they are going to be cheering reactionary imperialists the next chance they get. I'm taking notes by the way. Don't think I'll forget.

[Robocommie]

Doesn't Sharia Law follow rules like this:

Man - Dog - Plants - Woman

Forget equal rights now.

I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that that's almost certainly bullshit.

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

I find it funny that everyone got pissed off about a comrade posting one line - admittedly in poor taste - which made fun of a language, when all the comrade who posted one-liners abusing the takbir and turning a statement of faith into an all-encompassing epithet for Islamism went un-reprimanded. Want to talk about Islamophobia? How about people equating Islam the religion with Islamism the political ideology. Seriously, you're all a bunch of hypocrites.

Exactly.


Doesn't Sharia Law follow rules like this:

Man - Dog - Plants - Woman

Forget equal rights now.

Wtf? No, this is not the shari'a, that's complete nonsense.

[Iraultzaile Ezkerreko]

Wtf? No, this is not the shari'a, that's complete nonsense.

But it's religion and we're teh commiez! Hate religion! Rawr! :rolleyes:

[freepalestine]

No, I suppose not, again, I was just throwing in my two pence here and stating how I personally took it. When writing that I was irritated by members flipping out and saying you're racist for saying it when I myself have used it. I do think I should have a say in matters pertaining to myself or groups that I am a part of, yes. Context does matter and I don't really like how it was used but I was more offended with the members who said the takbir, that's what's most offensive to me in this thread. That's directly insulting and offensive.
i partially disagree, the racism and anti arab/anti muslim bigotry is what is offensive.
i see "islamophobia" as bigotry against muslims/arabs not against islam.

many leftists are atheists,so they arent gonna make special provisions for one religion or another.
the problem is when muslims/arabs are under constant racism etc,.



-who said takbir?

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

i disagree, the racism in anti arab/anti muslim bigotry is what is offensive.
i see "islamophobia" as bigotry against muslims/arabs not against islam.

many leftists are atheists they arent gonna make special provisions for one religion or another.
the problem is when muslims/arabs are under constant racism that should concern people.

I don't really see our disagreement akhi. I do think the "dirka dirka," shit was fairly racist given the context and subject matter of the thread but I don't think it was genuine concious racism on the part of the poster. In truth the more the more I think about it the more I dislike the comment however I still consider saying the takbir in such a manner is what's most offensive here; atleast to me. I also think this entire thread is Islamophobic, really even if the people whom have and haven't posted in this thread see it or not and it's truly astounding to me. I mean, this is Revleft and it seems some here are still holding on to the bullshit pumped into them by the Western imperialist propaganda machine.

I mean for fucks sake, did someone really just say under the shari'a that women are below men, dogs and plants?


-who said takbir?

I quoted two members who said the takbir and that was it, here are the posts again:


God is good and great!
*comemorates by shooting some unarmed people with my american rifle*


Allahu Akbar!:rolleyes::thumbdown:

[The Jay]

DG, do you think that atheists are more aggressive towards Islam than other religions? Is that what you mean by Islamophobia? Also, may I ask what brought you to Islam? PM me if you'd like :D

[~Spectre]

I was a staunch supporter of Gaddafi's fight

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[ModelHomeInvasion]

The amount of Islamohpbic and quasi-racist shit in this thread is staggering. Not surprising it comes from white people with orientalist attitudes towards places they don't really know.
http://www.revleft.com/vb/customavatars/avatar11996_6.gif

[Yazman]

http://merovee.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/cyber-jihad.jpg
Derka derka!

So much for "Democracy and freedom" as promised by NATO...

When if we ignore how potentially offensive this is to many people, this kind of post is still disruptive posting and image posts like this aren't allowed in Politics. You may post a picture if it's accompanied by significant commentary but this isn't significant.

I understand the sentiment but you shouldn't make picture posts like this, especially not ones that are arguably racist. Don't do it again or you'll be infracted.

This constitutes a warning to ВАЛТЕР.


:rolleyes::rolleyes:


http://www.revleft.com/vb/customavatars/avatar11996_6.gif



You're not allowed to make posts that simply consist of smileys or images. It's disruptive and it's spam, and it doesn't belong in Politics. Do it again and you'll be infracted.


No, you get the fuck out ;).


Bro if you're going to take it to a singularly unfunny place then you've already decided to fuck up the discourse enough to be corrected.

The asshole who comes into a thread about police brutality and posts an image of Cartman in his "Respect mah authoritah" outfit deserves to be called on his bullshit.

You've been called on it, refuckinglax and get the fuck out of the thread if all you're going to do is whine about how you're considered a racist for posting stupid, racist bullshit.

Neither of you are allowed to tell users to "get the fuck out" at any time. It's not your job to tell people not to post, or to be quiet. Not only that but you're not allowed to flame other users. You've both been warned. LiquidState: Do not respond to harassment or flames with the same.

Finally, I don't want to see any more posts in this thread of this type. This goes to everybody. Any further posts that do not make a worthwhile contribution to the topic at hand, by anybody, will result in thread closure and infraction to offending users.

I hate to do it but this thread has been rapidly devolving into flames and spam. No more of this shit, of any kind.

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

DG, do you think that atheists are more aggressive towards Islam than other religions? Is that what you mean by Islamophobia? Also, may I ask what brought you to Islam? PM me if you'd like :D

I was going to PM this but after some thinking I decided against it and I'll just say it publically.

"Nothing brought me to Islaam, I was born Muslim so I never really went to it, it just always was. I've had periods where I have strayed and questioned but I have always remained Muslim. Do I think Atheists in general are more aggressive towards Islam as opposed to other faiths? Yes, I do, I think many in the West are rabid, irrational and ignorant when it comes to Islam and Islamic culture and shit that is said about it probably wouldn't be tolerated if it were directed towards another group.

I also think that alot of the anti-Muslim shit in the West is really just veiled racism and you could easily replace the term 'Muslim' with 'Arab' and by Arab, I mean, it could apply to anyone, indiscriminately that come from the Middle-East. There also seems to be a complete double standard and lack of perspective regarding various issues. I have heard the most bizarre shit about my religion from non-Muslims and often, when in group settings, I have politely said "thank you for inquiring about my religion but I disagree," or "...but you're wrong, here is why, I will explain to you why you're wrong," and I will then be told I'm wrong and others will side with and chime in with the non-Muslim fucktard whom I've just corrected or add on to it.

Not to mention, just look at how things are framed in the West. Take FAUX news, they can get Choudray's ass (yes, I'm backbiting) on there to talk about some bullshit he's doing but they can't get any other Muslim to speak on the bloody channel ever and thus the ignorant shit they say never gets corrected and Americans go on thinking Ahmadinjad is doomsday Muslim nutter trying to get their Imam Mahdi to come via wars and bombing America.

What I meant by Islamophobia specifically in this thread is saying the takbir, dirka dirka and all that shit when it didn't really need to be said and is just ignorant, offensive and racist. All because there is talks of the NTC instituting the shari'a and shit someone found it prudent to say one of the holiest phrases in my fucking religion in a improper manner and as a joke. Islamism is political movement and Islam is not some homogenous entity.

Along with just general basic stuff of acting like this is such a big deal or would hinder democracy or whatever. Comments like "I fear the advancement of Islamic law in the West," and all that the Western nations are free and democratic nonsense that they wouldn't say otherwise unless Muslim or Arabs weren't involved. I honestly would expect this on some other forum than this.

Anytime anything related to Islam, Islamic jurisprudence, Muslims, Arabs, Mideast, anything it always seems to said directly or implied that it's inherently barbaric, archaic, and other such things and it's all tolerated, even here. There is a lot more diversity in opinions, interpretations, practices and shit in Islam that people don't take into account. It might be wise to understand what it is that you're actually opposed to and whining about before talking about it.

Left or Right, liberal or conservative, I've heard many people say "Iraq needed Saddam to keep those damn Muslims/Arabs in check, they're so crazy, maybe it's the heat, derp derp." I think the hegemonic conditioning and propaganda that hails from the crusades in the West is still very much there and opinions and impressions of Muslims and Arabs both consciously and subconsciously. The same shit you hear to do is almost mirror image of things they were saying back then. Even when Atheists or Westerners are criticizing or outright attacking Christianity they still seperate politics and religion, religious practice/traditions and cultural practices and tradions whereas in Islam and Islamic nations that doesn't happen at all.

I don't know, shits really irritating, I really could go on and on and this rant isn't specifically speaking of what has been said in this thread only but also in general on the forum and also irl. Sorry that this is long winded, I'm drunk and my thoughts are probably scattered and everywhere; I hope this makes sense."

[tir1944]

Sorry that this is long winded, I'm drunk
Drunk...Muslim...?:confused:

[Zealot]

I still consider saying the takbir in such a manner is what's most offensive here; atleast to me.

I disagree, it was simply a sarcastic imitation of the rebels in Libya who think they are bringing democracy and freedom to Libya, but I can see where you're coming from.

The rest of your rant and the following one I agree with, the amount of bigotry and ignorance in the west about middle eastern culture is quite amazing. Most atheists subject all religion to the same criticism but unfortunately the propaganda about Islam that is ingrained into some people would make it seem as if we attack muslims more than any other religious group.

But as to the original post... Are we really supposed to be surprised? I saw this coming a mile away.

[Franz Fanonipants]

The major headliners of the "New" Atheism all came out around the same time that the United States decided to kick off a global war on Islam. And they all seemed to believe that enlightened, Western secular Force was the only thing that could bring the benighted Oriental Mahometan masses into the 21st century.

So yeah, atheists have chosen Islam as a prime target.

Still, if you choose to rep atheism over understanding that society is not the result of "clashes of ideas" but rather class warfare, you are categorically unmarxist.

[teflon_john]

Drunk...Muslim...?:confused:



*gasp* i can hardly beliiiiuuurrrrrrrgghh.... -_-

[Queercommie Girl]

There is nothing unIslamic about secularism. Islam can also be secular, not just Western religions. You think the West is always against Islamism? On the contrary, they often deliberately support Islamism against secular nationalist and Arab socialist forces in order to hold the masses back even further.

There is no "holy war" against Islam by Christian crusaders. This isn't the Middle Ages anymore. The main issues in the world today are imperialism vs. oppressed nations and capitalism vs. socialism. Religious war isn't primary at all, either way.

[Franz Fanonipants]

iseul - who are you addressing?

[Queercommie Girl]

iseul - who are you addressing?

You. Although Islamophobia exists, the war between "atheism" and "Islam" and the war between "Christianity" and "Islam" etc isn't really the major issue in the world today. The main issue is imperialism vs. anti-imperialism and capitalism vs. socialism. Western imperialism will gladly use Islamist forces when it suits them to further their own geopolitical interests.

[Franz Fanonipants]

And Western Imperialism will happily use anti-Islamist, Islamophobic, and generally unmarxist "War of Ideas" narratives spouted by fuckheads like Hitchens, Dawkins, etc.

Almost like Western Imperialism controls discourse to avoid class conflict.

In essence, you're correcting me to prove me right.

[Queercommie Girl]

And Western Imperialism will happily use anti-Islamist, Islamophobic, and generally unmarxist "War of Ideas" narratives spouted by fuckheads like Hitchens, Dawkins, etc.

Almost like Western Imperialism controls discourse to avoid class conflict.

In essence, you're correcting me to prove me right.

What I'm trying to say is that secularism itself is intrinsically progressive, but secularism doesn't have to be Western. The West sometimes spreads Islamophobic propaganda that Islam is intrinsically more backward and theocratic.

Secularism would make Muslim nations more advanced and powerful and therefore better able to resist imperialism. Therefore sometimes the West would deliberately support religious fundamentalist forces in order to drag Muslim countries down again. From Arab socialism to Islamism for instance is a step backwards.

[Franz Fanonipants]

Nothing other than the overthrow of the Bourgeois is progressive.

Secularism w/out revolution is only letting the bourgeois redefine the discourse.

[Queercommie Girl]

Nothing other than the overthrow of the Bourgeois is progressive.

Secularism w/out revolution is only letting the bourgeois redefine the discourse.


A socialist state cannot be non-secular. It can be non-Western, but not non-secular. Lenin believed in religious freedom but religion must not interfere with politics or become too powerful.

Historically whenever Islamists (sometimes supported by the West) have got into power, communists have been murdered on a large scale. As a Marxist, I say I can co-operate with religious socialists, but at the same time I'm always somewhat wary of them, because our ultimate end-goal is not the same.

[Franz Fanonipants]

A socialist state cannot be non-secular. It can be non-Western, but not non-secular. Lenin believed in religious freedom but religion must not interfere with politics or become too powerful.

I don't disagree.

But I will reiterate getting caught up with obsessing over secularism, atheism, or whatever fun distraction you have to frame class conflict in a light that is about anything but class conflict is ridiculous.

[Queercommie Girl]

But I will reiterate getting caught up with obsessing over secularism, atheism, or whatever fun distraction you have to frame class conflict in a light that is about anything but class conflict is ridiculous.

I'm not the one who is obsessing over religion and the idea that there is a big "total cultural war" against Islam by the West...

[Franz Fanonipants]

I'm not the one who is obsessing over religion and the idea that there is a big "total cultural war" against Islam by the West...

who said anything about a cultural war?

when i say war on islam i mean full on murder, bombs dropping, and other hallmarks of imperialist war.

E: i mean i guess it would be war ON a culture but

[GatesofLenin]

I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that that's almost certainly bullshit.

How about honor killings?

[GatesofLenin]

Sharia Law allows, if a family member dishonors the family, to have said person killed to preserve honor. The vast majority of honor killings are against women and girls. This is not right!

[Robocommie]

Sharia Law allows, if a family member dishonors the family, to have said person killed to preserve honor. The vast majority of honor killings are against women and girls. This is not right!

You dumbass, honor killings are not part of Sharia law. Honor killings are part of pre-Islamic tribal practices. Seriously, pull your head out of your ass, so far all you've been contributing is just ignorant, Islamophobic bullshit.

[Franz Fanonipants]

You dumbass, honor killings are not part of Sharia law. Honor killings are part of pre-Islamic tribal practices. Seriously, pull your head out of your ass, so far all you've been contributing is just ignorant, Islamophobic bullshit.

but shari'a law in eastern canada and

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

Drunk...Muslim...?:confused:

Yes, booze is haraam and yes, I still drink it anyway; not a saint mate.


Sharia Law allows, if a family member dishonors the family, to have said person killed to preserve honor. The vast majority of honor killings are against women and girls. This is not right!

Piss off with this rubbish, this is a myth and nonsense. Where in the world people get the idea that Islam permits murder is beyond me.

[Smyg]

Drunk...Muslim...?http://www.revleft.com/vb/its-official-sharia-t163201/revleft/smilies/confused1.gif
"Not turning the other cheek... Christian... ?" :D It's not like all religious people follow all the rules all the time.

[Franz Fanonipants]

"Not turning the other cheek... Christian... ?" :D It's not like all religious people follow all the rules all the time.

comrade i don't turn the other cheek most of the time but yet here i am

[RedGrunt]

Isn't Sharia Law very widely interpreted differently amongst and such? Is it definitively laid out and absolute?

[MustCrushCapitalism]

Democracy for Libya! And by democracy, we mean brutal theocratic dictatorship that offers cheap oil to the West.

:/

[RedSonRising]

Isn't Sharia Law very widely interpreted differently amongst and such? Is it definitively laid out and absolute?

It's application comes in as many forms as there are silly sectarian labels on the left.

[Grenzer]

It's disappointing, but not unexpected.

I think Gaddafi was a petty opportunist who sided with imperialists and I won't miss him, but the inherent hypocrisy in forcing a regime change like this is nauseating. If anyone expected anything other than Islamists to come in to power with the "democracy" of the 'Arab Spring' has head their head in the clouds.

One step forward.. two back.

[Seth]

Mr Abdul-Jalil went further, specifically lifting immediately, by decree, one law from Col. Gaddafi's era that he said was in conflict with Sharia - that banning polygamy.

In a blow to those who hoped to see Libya's economy integrate further into the western world, he announced that in future bank regulations would ban the charging of interest, in line with Sharia. "Interest creates disease and hatred among people," he said.

Gulf states like the United Arab Emirates, and other Muslim countries, have pioneered the development of Sharia-compliant banks which charge fees rather than interest for loans but they normally run alongside western-style banks.



In the first instance, interest on low-value loans would be waived altogether, he said.
Libya is already the most conservative state in north Africa, banning the sale of alcohol. Mr Abdul-Jalil's decision - made in advance of the introduction of any democratic process - will please the Islamists who have played a strong role in opposition to Col Gaddafi's rule and in the uprising but worry the many young liberal Libyans who, while usually observant Muslims, take their political cues from the West.




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8844819/Libyas-liberation-interim-ruler-unveils-more-radical-than-expected-plans-for-Islamic-law.html

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

Isn't Sharia Law very widely interpreted differently amongst and such? Is it definitively laid out and absolute?

There is differences in opinion on the various aspects of the shari'ah in the overall ummah (Muslim community) in it's practical application and specifics. There is four Sunni madh'habs or schools of fiqh (law) which are Hanbali, Hanafi, Shafi'i and Maliki (the one I subscribe too) and there is one school of fiqh in Shi'ism known as Ja'fari. There is indeed varying opinions and you also have to take into account indigenous cultural traditions, norms and so forth. Again you (not saying you specifically) can't just lump everything together when it comes to Islam, it's not some homogenous and or monolithic entity.

[Yazman]

I already warned y'all about flames. I've seen one or two since my warning - one more and this thread is closed.

Please keep it civil and we're all good :)

[GatesofLenin]

Democracy for Libya! And by democracy, we mean brutal theocratic dictatorship that offers cheap oil to the West.

:/

Exactly what is gonna happen unfortunetaly.