ANTIFA demonstration(Helsinki, Finland)

[Dimmu]

A finnish nazi group called finnish resistance movement which is an offshot to the swedish resistance movement organised an "international" seminar for the members of Casapound Italia and Frei Nationale Strukture from Germany.

They were supposed to meet at a location in Helsinki and later take public transporation to the place of the seminar. As you can see on the pics only couple of people arrived for their meeting and there were actually more journalists then the nazis.

At the same with two days notice we organized an antifa protest which got around 200+ people, which is quite a lot for a demonstration in Finland.

Later on we managed to get the location of both the nazi seminar and the gig which they they attented in the evening.


Some pics(Antifa protest)

http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/uutiset/kotimaa/mielenosoitukset/tempaukset/1241571-max555x555.jpg

http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/uutiset/kotimaa/mielenosoitukset/tempaukset/1241568_555x333.jpg

http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/uutiset/kotimaa/mielenosoitukset/tempaukset/1241569_555x333.jpg

http://yle.fi/ecepic/archive/00442/Mielenosoitus_antif_442451b.jpg

http://s.omakaupunki.hs.fi/news/images/uploads/_50827_myphoto1.540x405.jpg

http://s.omakaupunki.hs.fi/news/images/uploads/1305547759916.540x405.jpg

Nazis
http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/uutiset/kotimaa/mielenosoitukset/tempaukset/1241572_555x333.jpg

http://s.omakaupunki.hs.fi/news/images/uploads/1319280122-86f5bf7-1.540x405.jpg

http://s.omakaupunki.hs.fi/news/images/uploads/1319279915-0b2ffff-1.540x405.jpg

[Revolutionair]

Looks like all 7 nazi's were present... :laugh:

[Smyg]

Nice work, great to see active antifascism in Finland! Not often we hear from you. :D

[Dimmu]

Nice work, great to see active antifascism in Finland! Not often we hear from you. :D

Yeah, Finland never really had an active ANTIFA groups since there were not organized nazi's to fight.

[Anarchist Skinhead]

did any of them get a slap? :)

[Smyg]

Yeah, Finland never really had an active ANTIFA groups since there were not organized nazi's to fight.

Let's hope that doesn't change, shall we? :D

Always happy to hear stuff from Finland, our old neighbour has always seemed a bit dry on political news.

[Dimmu]

did any of them get a slap? :)

Hey,

While there were many people who were interested in confronting the nazis we decided against it for one simple reason.


At the moment the political environment in Finland is very "conservative". When we announced the demonstration right-wingers were hoping that this demonstration would lead to violence so they could later blame us, this would lead to a catastrophic political defeat for us especially in the times when finnish police is doing everything in their power to break up the Helsinki anarchist/autonomous groups.

Also we wanted to include a broad spectrum of people into the demonstration and we succeeded doing just that by announcing that the demonstration would be non-violent.

[Anarchist Skinhead]

fair enough, you should always use best tactics to the moment.

And I suppose you can always have a "interview" with them after hours ;)

[aty]

"The resistance movement" with Casa Pound? Klas Lund will not be happy at their finnish comrades.

"The resistance movement" is strictly Hitlerist.

[Dimmu]

"The resistance movement" with Casa Pound? Klas Lund will not be happy at their finnish comrades.

"The resistance movement" is strictly Hitlerist.

Thats what we are discussing... We all know how swedish resistance movements views on these "right autonomousits". So its kinda interesting why these two orgs were invited here to Finland.

[thälmann]

should be notes that most of the german autonomous nationalists are also clearly hitlerist in their ideology. its just a clothing/music thing mostly. although there exists some kind of "left" strasserist wing...

[aty]

should be notes that most of the german autonomous nationalists are also clearly hitlerist in their ideology. its just a clothing/music thing mostly. although there exists some kind of "left" strasserist wing...
"Swedish resistance movement" is like the nazi-movements stalinists. Strict hierarchy and no one but "the organization" is true nationalsocialists...
They cant even cooperate with the old Nationalsocialist Front that is renamed Peoples Front.

They even spraypaint "Hell Lund" to their leader Klas Lund. :lol:

When the autonomous nazi-movement came to Sweden they had a bitter fight with them that have resulted in countless murder attempts with both guns and knifes, break-ins, fights, hacking etc.

[Ravachol]

"Swedish resistance movement" is like the nazi-movements stalinists. Strict hierarchy and no one but "the organization" is true nationalsocialists...
They cant even cooperate with the old Nationalsocialist Front that is renamed Peoples Front.

They even spraypaint "Hell Lund" to their leader Klas Lund. :lol:

When the autonomous nazi-movement came to Sweden they had a bitter fight with them that have resulted in countless murder attempts with both guns and knifes, break-ins, fights, hacking etc.

Why the hell is the Swedish nazi movement so violent? I mean, there's the occasional brawl here in the Netherlands and in Belgium involving a couple of smackings but shootings are unheard of. I get the image the Swedish nazi movement (especially SMR) is very violent, what's the cause of this level of militancy?



should be notes that most of the german autonomous nationalists are also clearly hitlerist in their ideology. its just a clothing/music thing mostly. although there exists some kind of "left" strasserist wing...

I thought most 'autonome nationalisten' were clearly Strasserist (or NazBol in the case of the miniscule Netzwerk Sozialistischer Nation) and the 'Freie Kameradschaften' were more often Hitlerist, though they seem to overlap at times.

[Искра]

I spoke with members of SAC who used to shoot at Nazi's and they said that Nazi movement is not as strong as it was in 80's/90's where you could expect them with guns on ever picket, demonstration etc.

[Dimmu]

I spoke with members of SAC who used to shoot at Nazi's and they said that Nazi movement is not as strong as it was in 80's/90's where you could expect them with guns on ever picket, demonstration etc.

Well, the split between the autonomists and neo-nazis made them weaker at least in Sweden, but at the same time they got more violent.

In Finland the FRM(finnish resistance movement) was responsible for beating up a right-wing politician who took picture of them in the town of Oulu and throwing a tear-gas grenade at Pride Parade in Helsinki 2010.

[aty]

Why the hell is the Swedish nazi movement so violent? I mean, there's the occasional brawl here in the Netherlands and in Belgium involving a couple of smackings but shootings are unheard of. I get the image the Swedish nazi movement (especially SMR) is very violent, what's the cause of this level of militancy?

It is hard to say but the nazi-scene and antifa/anarchist-scene in Sweden developed during the 90s-crisis in Sweden when our economy looked like Greece, almost. We had a collapse in capitalism at the same time as communism collapsed. And also a high level of immigrants that some people blamed.

Many nazis were convinced of that the race-war had come, especially after the laserman went around shooting immigrants. Some nazis then organized themselves as paramilitary groups, coming from the military service and had no jobs. Many military weapons-barracks were robbed and a high number of military equipment went out in the swedish nazi-scene.

The first paramilitary group was VAM (White Aryan Resistance) that had the goal to start a war against the swedish government. They did some bankrobberies and a robbery against a police station. The leader was Klas Lund, now leader of SMR. Some of these went to Croatia and fought in the civil war.

And then it just continued and escalated in 1999 with NRA(National Republican Army) when they killed two policemen, anarcho-syndicalist Björn Söderberg, almost killed some journalists and a police in carbombs etc.

But they are not close today to what they once was. The split between the more autonomous and the hitlerist was deep. SMR is still there but I think they will be gone soon as more and more of the leading members have left the movement in the last year. And at the same time as this split the antifa-movement in Sweden got more violent then ever before and could actually physically confront the nazis at any time, the nazis had to get togheter 50+ people just to be able to hand out leaflets.

[Smyg]

The level of Nazi violence during the 90's was just... horrible. When I was a kid, a homosexual man was stabbed to death by Neo-Nazis in my town, and the janitor at my school was savaged by a gang of them. I've had friends being assaulted, although not as badly. Bad memories. Thankfully, they're rather pathetic nowadays compared to then, although the violence continues on an individual level.