World government

[rundontwalk]

I don't know why, but I'm really interested in forming a sort of highly devolved, global federation. The main benefits I see from a one world government would be the effective elimination of 3rd World countries, the effective abolishment of war, an end to nuclear weapons, etc. It'd also help to create a sense of unified human identity.

Anyway, if I'm not mistaken under global communism there would also be some form of global ''government'', albeit one not composed of state actors.

So I was wondering if you think the implementation of this hypothetical global federation would help in the implementation of communism, and would you support such a thing?

(I just noticed there were already a few threads on the subject from a few years back, so sorry bout that. But I hope this can be a new discussion on the topic.)

[Hivemind]

Depends on how it becomes formed, because it can easily go really wrong, really fast. Eg: if all capitalistic countries were to unite into one single entity, it won't suddenly become something great. A unified army, a unified police force and unified mass media will instantly prevent or thrwart any sort of uprisings, because if someone somewhere decides to revolt, the entire world, which would be one "country" would have its laws defied, and all that stuff.

I'd venture to say that it's not a very good idea in general.

[rundontwalk]

Depends on how it becomes formed, because it can easily go really wrong, really fast. Eg: if all capitalistic countries were to unite into one single entity, it won't suddenly become something great. A unified army, a unified police force and unified mass media will instantly prevent or thrwart any sort of uprisings, because if someone somewhere decides to revolt, the entire world, which would be one "country" would have its laws defied, and all that stuff.

I'd venture to say that it's not a very good idea in general.
I think that military-wise you could have militias for each state, sort of like the National Guard in the US. I certainly wouldn't support a global standing army.

Police could (and should) also be localized on a state by state basis.

And measures could be taken to break up the media conglomerates, etc.

[rundontwalk]

I'd basically organize it like this:

local-->state-->region-->global

With regions being used to solve conflicts between states, and the global government used to resolve conflicts between regions.

[Zealot]

no...just no. People are too divided for that to ever happen. Extremists already try to overthrow their governments who still have theocratic laws ingrained, so what do you think will happen with a secular world government? And if anyone like hitler managed to get power, think of Nazi Germany on a global scale. Terrible. And Communists don't want states so I don't see how it would help.

[rundontwalk]

no...just no. People are too divided for that to ever happen. Extremists already try to overthrow their governments who still have theocratic laws ingrained, so what do you think will happen with a secular world government? And if anyone like hitler managed to get power, think of Nazi Germany on a global scale. Terrible. And Communists don't want states so I don't see how it would help.
Well, hypothetically speaking, it'd be a voluntary association of course so if Saudi Arabia doesn't want to have a secular government it doesn't have to have one. And to try and prevent a dictatorship I would probably make the global government itself one without an executive branch*. Only legislative and judicial.

I thought maybe it could help mainly because if you created a global identity it could only make world revolution easier.


* I realize that the Hitler situation was a bit different.

[GPDP]

A socialist/communist world government would likely have little to no resemblance to the current bourgeois implementation of government as we currently conceive of it. I would not expect it to have any actual power beyond providing a platform for political and economic coordination between regions. In other words, it wouldn't be much of a government at all.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Out of the rubble of the sold society arises the socialist world republic.

[Hexen]

A "World Government" is impossible and it only exists in the minds of paranoid conspiracy theorists.

What we do have however is global capitalism which eversince the fall of the Soviet Union it basically allowed Capitalism to spread like a disease throughout the world with no other superpower to hold it back which is what we're witnessing now and it's also what the "New World Order" really means (The Capitalist system gone global).

[Q]

I completely support a world state, even if it could happen under capitalism as it would give us a common enemy to fight against. But I think world unification is quite impossible under capitalism due to two reasons: 1. because of the state system hierarchy, like the third world countries, and 2. because the capitalists exactly fear such a unification of the people for exactly the same reason communists desire it.

As communism is a global social form, as capitalism already laid out that playing ground, communists fight against all forms of divisions and for a united (thus global) working class movement. To begin with, communists ought to fight for continental unification. I for example support a European Democratic Republic (that is, where the people are sovereign, as opposed to current day "republican" states).

I personally don't support a federation unless absolutely necessary due to national questions for example. I don't think we should just take the current state system and staple them together in one big "federation". In contrast, we should transcend the state system and reach new forms.

As a last point: Genuine unity can only happen if it is voluntary, the working class all over have to desire it. This is where "patient work" comes into play as communist party-movements have to build their own culture and theory based on such ideas, in order to let them find readily access to the whole society.

[Nox]

inb4 someone says the Jews and communists are already doing that to take all our rights away

sarcasm

[KurtFF8]

In all honesty, the question of a world socialist government is so abstract right now given the current state of capital domination of the Earth that I'm not sure what valuable analysis could come of it at the moment.

Even during the Cold War, when socialist (or whatever other tendencies would call the Soviet bloc) were a world power it was still quite an abstract question.

It's similar to questions like "well how would blue tee shirts be made under socialism!" in my opinion.

[Threetune]

I don't know why, but I'm really interested in forming a sort of highly devolved, global federation. The main benefits I see from a one world government would be the effective elimination of 3rd World countries, the effective abolishment of war, an end to nuclear weapons, etc. It'd also help to create a sense of unified human identity.



Anyway, if I'm not mistaken under global communism there would also be some form of global ''government'', albeit one not composed of state actors.

So I was wondering if you think the implementation of this hypothetical global federation would help in the implementation of communism, and would you support such a thing?




You are entirely correct to put the question which will also be forming in the thinking of hundreds of millions of people as a superior perspective to the existing diabolical capitalist global order. This will continue to get debated because it is what is wanted and needed by the working classes internationally.

I’ll try and contribute some more soon if that’s OK.

[Void]

Out of the rubble of the sold society arises the socialist world republic.

These words which are correct made me remember this:

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Music: Der heimliche Aufmarsch
East German song sung by Ernst Busch

[ColonelCossack]

Why do we need a government at all?

Kinda weird coming from an M-L...

[Rusty Shackleford]

government can exist without the state. the opposite is not true though.

[LewisQ]

It's similar to questions like "well how would blue tee shirts be made under socialism!" in my opinion.

That's a trick question, though; only red t-shirts will be permitted under socialism.

[The Jay]

government can exist without the state. the opposite is not true though.

How's that? I don't quite get it.

[Thirsty Crow]

How's that? I don't quite get it.
Government or governance is an abstract term signifying any formalized structures of the decision making process with respect to issues that concern all of the members of a group, community, or society, whereas the notion of a state is historical in that it refers to particular organizations of governance based on the social formation of class societies.

[Rafiq]

I think a lot of us here need to differentiate what seems pleasant and what is actually probable. I don't see a world "federation" or government arising as a topic for a while. I don't even see why we should be discussing it right now, to be quite honest, as I would say it would say such topics are irrelevant.

[not your usual suspect]

A world government is just another oppression. We don't fight for world government, but no government. We don't want the EU, with more power centralized, but some concessions made to the workers, like open borders, when it's convenient. We want no power, and no borders. World government is a distraction. The only thing it would be good for is making the line "the frontline is everywhere" more true. If people are united, then they can unite to oppose the oppressors.