Battlefield 3 vs. Modern Warfare 3

[Reznov]

Simple enough, which one will you be getting?

I personally am getting Battlefield 3 as I can't stand Microsoft (I'd have to get xbox live, get my xbox back up working, buy CoD and now there is an "Elite" service that costs 50 bucks! I don't care if I get all the DLC, I could buy another game!)

That and I am a PC gamer at heart, and supporting Battlefield 3 is directly supporting the PC as a lead platform.

Unlike CoD which is obviously pursing a much more Xbox 360 approach (Seriously, even if you do have Elite Service and are on PS3, you have to wait a month? PC is basically non-existent to the CoD team.

I side with BF3! What about you?

(In defense of MW3 Yes, the plot is very fun. However I would never buy the game outright, I'll probably get the "Extended trail version" for PC or buy it from a friend for a lot cheaper when he gets bored with it, as honestly that is the only thing worth playing, and even that is usually a one time thing. The multiplayer is the same shitty Comabt Arms updated for xbox. I have no idea how so many people can play such absolute trash.)

It's apart of my anti-Capitalist/anti-Microsoft fight! :laugh:

[ВАЛТЕР]

BF3 preordered for PC, then I found out my video card is shit. Grrrrr:cursing:

So I'm going to get it for my PS3 now. :/

[Die Rote Fahne]

Ill be getting both...for xbox....

[Rusty Shackleford]

Neither, you fools!


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[xub3rn00dlex]

Piracy solves your problems hahaha, try before you buy. I'm going to be getting bf3 because after playing the beta i realized it blows mw3 out of the fuckig water with the physics and realism. Oh, and giant maps full of shrubbery = snipers wet dream.

[Rusty Shackleford]

what i liked about BF3 (ive always been a fan of the battlefield series since BF1942) is YOU CAN TAKE THE FUCKING SCOPES OFF OF 'SNIPER' RIFLES!

i was kicking so much ass with a scopeless SVD. seriously.

[Nox]

The facts:

- Call of Duty is shit.
- Console gaming is shit (especially FPS console gaming)
- The only two decent FPS ever to be released on consoles are PC games (Battlefield Series & Crysis Series)
- PC gaming is the way forward
- Counter Strike: Source owns both of those games hands down
- Battlefield 3 > MW3

[Rusty Shackleford]

I recently got Red Orchestra and i realllly wish i got it years ago when i heard about it. i thought it was going to be cheesy (the videos i saw there were green and yellow tracers which i thought were coming from all guns, turned out only from MGs.) I fucking love it. best FPS ive played in a while. now, i wantd RO2. but i have a shit computer.

[Aloysius]

BF3 looks really fucking good. I'd get for PC but my comp. sucks ass.
I'd like to get both for 360, though, if only because I'm tired of the games I have now.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Me playing the beta:

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[Spets]

BF3 for me, I'm tired of CoD, all you do is run around shooting while in BF3 you can actually use tactics and stuff. Skyrim looks great too.

[piet11111]

BF3 looks great ...... if only it was on steam.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Cod series is pretty much an e-peen ruler. You can one man the whole game, while bf3 places emphasis on teamwork and tactics.

Also, i hate when people discredit consoles and console gaming. Not all of us are well off enough to own a brand new puter for 1337 gaming. Consoles are cheaper, and you don't have to upgrade them every 6 months to keep up with new techs. Pc gaming will never die, we all know that. But to say console gaming sucks is pure horseshit, it's a matter of preference.

[piet11111]

Cod series is pretty much an e-peen ruler. You can one man the whole game, while bf3 places emphasis on teamwork and tactics.

Also, i hate when people discredit consoles and console gaming. Not all of us are well off enough to own a brand new puter for 1337 gaming. Consoles are cheaper, and you don't have to upgrade them every 6 months to keep up with new techs. Pc gaming will never die, we all know that. But to say console gaming sucks is pure horseshit, it's a matter of preference.

Well since consoles are holding down pc gaming i haven't had to do any upgrades except my videocard in 3 years.
Multi platform development is holding down system requirements on pc.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Well since consoles are holding down pc gaming i haven't had to do any upgrades except my videocard in 3 years.
Multi platform development is holding down system requirements on pc.

I doubt this alone is holding back pc gaming. Look, high end computers are not cheap. You can get a decent one for $1500 and for more you oviously ge better. The thing is, the current state of the economic climate calls for cheaper alternatives. When you can get a refurbished xbox for a little over $100 now a days, you can see why the incentive would lean towards spending the $100 or so and have a system that will last a minimum of 4 years without becoming obsolete.

[piet11111]

I doubt this alone is holding back pc gaming. Look, high end computers are not cheap. You can get a decent one for $1500 and for more you oviously ge better. The thing is, the current state of the economic climate calls for cheaper alternatives. When you can get a refurbished xbox for a little over $100 now a days, you can see why the incentive would lean towards spending the $100 or so and have a system that will last a minimum of 4 years without becoming obsolete.

Except the games i pirated more then tip the financial scales way in favor of the PC and i get to pirate movies and tv series and whatever you use a pc for besides that.

A 400 euro videocard is not very expensive if you manage to play dozens of AAA games on full detail for 0 euro's.
I have a Q6600 processor (2,4 ghz quad core) and 8GB of DDR2 ram and a ati radion HD5870 and there is nothing i can not play at highest details.

[Reznov]

I doubt this alone is holding back pc gaming. Look, high end computers are not cheap. You can get a decent one for $1500 and for more you oviously ge better. The thing is, the current state of the economic climate calls for cheaper alternatives. When you can get a refurbished xbox for a little over $100 now a days, you can see why the incentive would lean towards spending the $100 or so and have a system that will last a minimum of 4 years without becoming obsolete.

Wrong. I brought an individual Gate Way tower on sale for 300 bucks, spent 70 bucks on a new GPU and some ram sticks (About 400-500 depending on where you get the parts, i.e. newegg.com, the same price as the consoles were when they first came out and wa la, I am set to play BF3 and other higher end PC Games.

So yeah, just because you know next to nothing about Computers and tech, doesn't mean it isn't affordable or cost anywhere 1,500 dollars (Seriously? I can tell you have no idea about computers and how much individual parts actually cost, because if it did cost that much, I doubt many people would be playing PC gaming.)

Not to mention that its actually saved me money a ton of money. I can't tell you how many pc games I have gotten for "free", be they older or newer games, I've saved a ton.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Except the games i pirated more then tip the financial scales way in favor of the PC and i get to pirate movies and tv series and whatever you use a pc for besides that.

A 400 euro videocard is not very expensive if you manage to play dozens of AAA games on full detail for 0 euro's.
I have a Q6600 processor (2,4 ghz quad core) and 8GB of DDR2 ram and a ati radion HD5870 and there is nothing i can not play at highest details.

Except the games I pirated more than tip the financial scales way in favor of xbox, as do the pirated movies and tv series I also watch on my xbox. You cannot include piracy when making your debate because a) both are piratable and b) piracy is very minor when you compare it to the general pc and xbox population.


Wrong. I brought an individual Gate Way tower on sale for 300 bucks, spent 70 bucks on a new GPU and some ram sticks (About 400-500 depending on where you get the parts, i.e. newegg.com, the same price as the consoles were when they first came out and wa la, I am set to play BF3 and other higher end PC Games.

Fair enough. I can go out and buy a pc today for around 300-400 bucks too, and play battlefield 3. However, the graphics and frame-rate will be LOWER than the ones on the xbox.



So yeah, just because you know next to nothing about Computers and tech, doesn't mean it isn't affordable or cost anywhere 1,500 dollars (Seriously? I can tell you have no idea about computers and how much individual parts actually cost, because if it did cost that much, I doubt many people would be playing PC gaming.)

Not to mention that its actually saved me money a ton of money. I can't tell you how many pc games I have gotten for "free", be they older or newer games, I've saved a ton.

I actually do know what I'm talking about, because I built gaming rigs before for others as well as my self. $1500 to $1800 IS the total assembly cost for a pretty fucking decent rig that will run Crysis 1 and 2 on high settings for everything. It might not max out, but you will still manage to get a 60 fps gameplay on. Again, the "free video game" factor does not apply, because I can tell you how many I've gotten for free, yet others have not. Piracy is not as rampant amongst the general population as the media would have you believe lol.

[MarxSchmarx]

BF3 preordered for PC, then I found out my video card is shit. Grrrrr:cursing:

So I'm going to get it for my PS3 now. :/

What do you use for your graphics card?

[Tablo]

Battlefield 3. I haven't enjoyed a COD game since COD2. Also, fuck xbox.

[MarxSchmarx]

I doubt this alone is holding back pc gaming. Look, high end computers are not cheap. You can get a decent one for $1500 and for more you oviously ge better. The thing is, the current state of the economic climate calls for cheaper alternatives. When you can get a refurbished xbox for a little over $100 now a days, you can see why the incentive would lean towards spending the $100 or so and have a system that will last a minimum of 4 years without becoming obsolete.

With 99.99% of the games out there, the issue isn't so much hardware anymore (with the possible exception of the GPUs) but whether the games can take advantage of multi-core environments. Unfortunately a lot of the calculations they do (again, apart from the graphics engines) cannot be readily parallelized. This was the problem with multicored consoles that designers didn't feel they needed the complexity.

Right now the market demands ever more realistic and amazing graphics, not ever more complex game play. The limitations are no longer the costly components of a computer, namely the processor and the ram. It will take developers likely several more years (if ever) before they really push the processor/ram side of things to the limit where they will hit a brick wall. I don't see this changing very much any time soon; if anything, I wonder if there will be a day when we will have two graphics cards in games, one for number crunching and another for display. Already NVidia among others have tried to have a two GPUs in one model which I think will further drive down the costs of hardware investments. Unfortunately, I think the console market is too saturated and too inflexible to allow for this, that the innovations will have to come on the PC side of things and the latest and best games will stay on the PC end (although not necessarily the expensive end) for some time in order to accomodate the rapidly moving GPU environment.

[piet11111]

Except the games I pirated more than tip the financial scales way in favor of xbox, as do the pirated movies and tv series I also watch on my xbox.

Wow and all that only using your XBOX ?
I didn't know they could be used to illegally download all of that. :laugh:


You cannot include piracy when making your debate because a) both are piratable and b) piracy is very minor when you compare it to the general pc and xbox population.

I was arguing cost effectiveness from my position and i get a hell of a lot more value for the money i spend on my PC then on any console.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Wow and all that only using your XBOX ?
I didn't know they could be used to illegally download all of that. :laugh:
haha fair enough. I use a MBA so any gaming on it is out of the question, but i could technically use the pc i have in the basement ( same one i use for flashing) which cost about 250$ for downlaoding and burning games.

i should note however that afaik, if you have a jail broken ps3 you can actually download torrents on to it. I don't know whether or not this is also available on a jtagged xbox.


I was arguing cost effectiveness from my position and i get a hell of a lot more value for the money i spend on my PC then on any console.

Fair enough. Again i don' think piracy should be used when comparing financials because the majority doesn't do it. I do see your point though. I'm definitely going to be assembling a rig for the diablo 3 release, but sadly most of my buddies are on consoles rather than pcs. In the end it is always a matter if preference, hardcore gamers will own both a high end pc and console systems, while the more casual gamer might own both, but the pc will not be near the specs you or i might have.

[BE_]

I probably wont buy any of them. I played the BF3 beta on the pc. It was pretty fun, but I don't want to spend money on that because I am saving money for music stuff. I was (and still am) a huge fan of bad company 2, but music stuff is more important than video games to me. My PC is actually capable of running both of them since I built my own, LIKE A TRUE REVOLUTIONARY:thumbup1:

[Metacomet]

Neither

All my money will be taken by

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[Sgetti12]

COD, the beta for BF3 was to bad for me to go on and buy the game itself. No matter how much they fix, if the beta's bad, there is no way im trusting the game with 60 bucks.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Nag the beta was not supposed to be perfect. its a beta for a reason. Usually, they are meant to be played to help find all the problems in the engine and fix them.

You cant script something and expect it to work just because it looks good. that script has to be used by many people who, just by playing or using it, find cracks in it.

[ВАЛТЕР]

What do you use for your graphics card?

I have a shitty Nvidia 9500 GT

in an awesome i7 Comp.

Fucking lame...:(

I don't have the money to buy a new graphics card either :(

[Tablo]

I have a shitty Nvidia 9500 GT

in an awesome i7 Comp.

Fucking lame...:(

I don't have the money to buy a new graphics card either :(
You're better off than I am. I got an 8800 GT with a Core 2 Duo processor. I wish I could afford a new pc. :(

[ВАЛТЕР]

You're better off than I am. I got an 8800 GT with a Core 2 Duo processor. I wish I could afford a new pc. :(

Times like this I hope for a riot, so I can snag a few nice shiny things that I wouldn't otherwise have.:D

Does this make me a bad person?

[Tablo]

Times like this I hope for a riot, so I can snag a few nice shiny things that I wouldn't otherwise have.:D

Does this make me a bad person?
No, I've had the fantasy numerous times of raiding a best buy during a riot. Would be so great. :lol:

[Rusty Shackleford]

Ive got a 256mb 8600 and its decent at best.


Man how i wish i had a 512mb 8800

[Tablo]

Ive got a 256mb 8600 and its decent at best.


Man how i wish i had a 512mb 8800
If I ever get a new computer I would gladly send you mine.

[Sgetti12]

Nag the beta was not supposed to be perfect. its a beta for a reason. Usually, they are meant to be played to help find all the problems in the engine and fix them.

You cant script something and expect it to work just because it looks good. that script has to be used by many people who, just by playing or using it, find cracks in it.

Will I know a beta's a beta. But so many games that had released beta much longer before release, had much better beta's. To me, EA spent more time on marketing and smashing activision than by making the game better. Yes it was beautiful, however it offered nothing new to the fps genre, when thats all it advertised.

[xub3rn00dlex]

No, I've had the fantasy numerous times of raiding a best buy during a riot. Would be so great. :lol:

You're not alone, I dream that one day we can riot me a brand new masheen!


Times like this I hope for a riot, so I can snag a few nice shiny things that I wouldn't otherwise have.:D

Does this make me a bad person?

Makes you a hero if you ask me! Wish I knew where you're from, we could form a raiding party! :laugh:

P.S: I've got my list at the ready if OWS riots!

[Magón]

You nerds.

My roommate is looking to get Battlefield 3 though. I've never played the game, or a Battlefield, but he says it's the best, and I never really did care for Call of Duty games.

[Rusty Shackleford]

If I ever get a new computer I would gladly send you mine.
If i get this warehouse job tomorrow, i wont have to worry about it too much longer :lol:

[Sturmovik]

Modern Warfare 3 for the PS3.

Played the Battlefield 3 beta and it felt too much like Bad Company 2, which I liked, but I couldn't stick with it. Didn't even have team communications, you can only talk with your 3 other squadmates. That's a dealbreaker for me, I like to slouch on the couch talking with my friends while playing a video game.

[Yugo45]

BF3 since I heard one level will be in my home city :lol:

[Sgetti12]

Modern Warfare 3 for the PS3.

Played the Battlefield 3 beta and it felt too much like Bad Company 2, which I liked, but I couldn't stick with it. Didn't even have team communications, you can only talk with your 3 other squadmates. That's a dealbreaker for me, I like to slouch on the couch talking with my friends while playing a video game.

It did, I picked it up yesterday, and it was ok, better than the better, however, it did not offer anything new gameplay wise which has not been in any other bf game. And its to balanced in my opinion. It doesnt let you show any skill by whooping ass with under powered weapons against over powered. Good game, but I'm probably sticking with MW3 in a few days.

[Leonid Brozhnev]

Got the full game yesterday and now my weekend is going to be very unproductive...


It doesnt let you show any skill by whooping ass with under powered weapons against over powered.

Try killing people with the Repair Tool :thumbup1:

[Magón]

My roommate got Battlefield 3. He doesn't stop talking about it, so tonight I'm going to have to try it myself. I watched him play a bit of it before work, and the tank combat is kind of cool looking.

[tir1944]

Correct me if i'm wrong,but you need a rather expensive PC to be able to run these games,right?

[Die Rote Fahne]

Correct me if i'm wrong,but you need a rather expensive PC to be able to run these games,right?

Yeah. High end computer is a must.

But, you can always get a console.

[Tablo]

Correct me if i'm wrong,but you need a rather expensive PC to be able to run these games,right?
Depends what you mean by high-end. Mid-range gaming pcs would be able to handle these games. With processors now being universally powerful and plenty of RAM being so cheap on new pcs, most computers would simply need a graphics card upgrade to play high-end games. If you want to play on max graphical settings then you will need a 1k+ pc.

[Leonid Brozhnev]

A PC tower to run this game is going to cost you at least £400. That's the cheapest rig I could find that would run BF3 decently. You could potentially run it on a PC for under £300 but it would take some upgrading and at the end of they day its ultimate not worth it.

My current PC was a b-graded ex-display model, it was £500 3 years ago... it didn't come with an operating system but the guys left the Vista Serial Number sticker on the back of the case so I actually got a free legal copy of Windows along with it. I've since upgraded to the 'extended trial version' of Win7 Ultimate, which is easy as hell to get you hands on and saves you a good £60-£100 on top of your initial system costs.

[Rusty Shackleford]

BF3 is alright. Seems to be a bit laggy. other than that the SKS is pretty fun.

[Nikolay]

MW3 all the way.:cool:

[Magón]

After an hour or so of trying to get the hang of it, I finally did so with the tank combat. I can say, after being bored with the continuous foot soldier combat, the tank combat is far the best. Not too into the flying, but the tank combat is the shit.

Come the revolution, I'm getting myself a tank. :cool:

[Le Rouge]

I side with Arma 2

[Agent Equality]

MW3 all the way.:cool:

I should negative rep you right now for that :D

[The Dark Side of the Moon]

Oh yes, because microsoft is so much worse than sony:rolleyes:

[Nikolay]

I should negative rep you right now for that :D

I guess BF3 does have some stuff that is better then MW3 (I like how you can drive vehicles and destroy buildings :D), but MW3 could beat BF3 any day, like in the revenue it'll produce for Activision. ;]

[Pretty Flaco]

me and my bro went out and bought bf3 and it's definitely fun to play! :)

my only gripe is that the destructibility is WAY less than bad company 2. it was so much fun to blow the shit out of buildings in bad company 2...

[Nicolai]

Neither. CoD nor Battlefield is something out of the extraordinary, and the single-player mission makes me feel a bit sick of how reactionary and all the patriotism in them (at least for the CoD series). Whilist, I do admit I enjoy the multilayer (zombie mode is tha shit), but otherwise it's not worth my money.

And why get new FPS', when you can pwn in Quake fUcI<1/\/g ]|[, n00bies >:D

Rocket Jump ftw.

[Geiseric]

Kinda unrealted, but I got an old xbox fps called half life 2, its tha bomb

[Pretty Flaco]

Kinda unrealted, but I got an old xbox fps called half life 2, its tha bomb

that's completely unrelated. haha

[Hexen]

There is one thing in common about those games: Their both US propaganda.

[Spets]

I made a clan for BF3 on the PS3 I named it after a user on here, because it was a pretty badass, you can join if you want I don't give a fuck. It's called RevolutionStartsWithU, and the tag is RevU. :thumbup1:

[Commissar Rykov]

There is one thing in common about those games: Their both US propaganda.
I don't know Bad Company tends to take the piss out of the US Military since your group deserts in order to do whatever the fuck they want. I still think the best level was driving the T-80 across the golf course to kill a general.:lol:

[tobbinator]

I don't know Bad Company tends to take the piss out of the US Military since your group deserts in order to do whatever the fuck they want. I still think the best level was driving the T-80 across the golf course to kill a general.:lol:
Best. FPS mission. Ever.

[Decommissioner]

Battlefield 3. Honestly, I mainly enjoy CoD games for the single player experience, which I can enjoy MW3 after borrowing a copy for a day. BF3 style multiplayer is most fun to me. I remember playing a lot of modern warfare multiplayer, but I had the most fun playing BF1942 and BF2 back in the day. I like the big epic maps, teamplay, and vehicles, it opens up more room for diverse and fun strategies (whereas CoD always felt like run and gun lone wolf style gameplay).

[piet11111]

I wish origin would be ditched if they do not use steam then no sale to me.

How is the anti air in bf3 ? i loved playing an anti air role in bf2 where i could just imagine all those people patiently waiting for a plane to spawn only to have me waiting for them to shoot them down.

Best way to do that was just standing next to one of those stinger chairs that would show up on their map as empty until you got in one then it would be removed from their map and moving from chair to chair so they would not know where you would be waiting.
I got all the AA medals in gold.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Stop talking about BF3 :(:crying:

I have the game here next to me but I can't play it because I need a new graphics card. I love BF games and have been a fan of them since BF1942. However, I can't play it til I scrape some money together for it. :(

[Kosakk]

I used to like CoD, CoD4MW was the first FPS I played online (did play BF2 as well, but not as much as CoD4).
But things changed alot with MW2, it wasn't fun anymore.

Now it's BF3 for all it's worth. I might buy MW3, just to try it.

Is Elite gonna cost money, btw?

[The Insurrection]

Both of these games reinforce capitalist and imperialist jingoism and allow you to play an agent of the most violent reactionary forces in the world.

Why do you people have enjoyment playing these games?

[Jimmie Higgins]

Why do you people have enjoyment playing these games?Because you were never around to police our personal lives for us.;)

[The Insurrection]

Because you were never around to police our personal lives for us.;)

Well yeah, obviously...That doesn't really address why so called communists etc take enjoyment playing soldiers in violently reactionary imperialist armies and killing "foreigners". I think my question is perfectly reasonable.

[Die Rote Fahne]

Well yeah, obviously...That doesn't really address why so called communists etc take enjoyment playing soldiers in violently reactionary imperialist armies and killing "foreigners". I think my question is perfectly reasonable.

The same reason we get a kick out of playing a lumpenprole who murders, steals, runs drugs, etc etc. the same reason we enjoy playing RPGs with pro-monarchist characters, the same reason we play a forum game as a capitalist or fascist rebel, or play as a nazi in a video game.

Why is it questionable? It's a video game. It isn't real. So long as someone can distinguish that obviously this wouldn't be right in reality, then there isn't a problem.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Well yeah, obviously...That doesn't really address why so called communists etc take enjoyment playing soldiers in violently reactionary imperialist armies and killing "foreigners". I think my question is perfectly reasonable.Because they can tell the difference between reality and fiction..?

I don't know, I don't play video games, but I enjoy a well-done spy movie or novel without having illusions in the CIA or MI5.

I might also enjoy Renaissance art without supporting aristocrats or believing in Jesus and Angels and shit. I do, in fact, like Shakespeare without supporting monarchy and the movie Goodfellas without supporting sexist, racist gang members.

[The Insurrection]

The same reason we get a kick out of playing a lumpenprole who murders, steals, runs drugs, etc etc. the same reason we enjoy playing RPGs with pro-monarchist characters, the same reason we play a forum game as a capitalist or fascist rebel, or play as a nazi in a video game.

Which is what? I'm asking you what the reason is...


Why is it questionable? It's a video game. It isn't real. So long as someone can distinguish that obviously this wouldn't be right in reality, then there isn't a problem.

So because you're not actually a special forces soldier that makes it OK to play games glorifying them?

It's questionable because the issues raised in these games are real. They are the tragic and brutal reality of the world. These forces maintain systems of exploitation and oppression and often do so violently. I don't understand why you would take enjoyment from pretending to be one of them...

[The Insurrection]

Because they can tell the difference between reality and fiction..?

If you really understand reality then I don't see how you can take enjoyment from pretending to be an agent of reactionary, considering what that means for millions of working class people.


I might also enjoy DaVinci's paintings without supporting aristocrats or believing in Jesus and Angels and shit.

There is a vast difference between being entertained by something that isn't real and then taking enjoyment from something that is not only real, it's incredibly brutal and tragic and also something you're supposed to oppose...

[Jimmie Higgins]

It's questionable because the issues raised in these games are real. They are the tragic and brutal reality of the world. These forces maintain systems of exploitation and oppression and often do so violently. I don't understand why you would take enjoyment from pretending to be one of them...At some point along the way, the clothes you are wearing and the computer you are typing required exploitation... so why do you use things - possibly enjoy products - that resulted from exploitation... get off the computer and git neekked now!

Moralism is a slippery-slope and not radical at all.

[The Insurrection]

At some point along the way, the clothes you are wearing and the computer you are typing required exploitation... so why do you use things - possibly enjoy products - that resulted from exploitation... get off the computer and git neekked now!

Erm. I'm sorry, that's just a ludicrous attempt to undermine what I'm saying.

I have to wear clothes for a multitude of reasons. I can't avoid capitalist exploitation if I want to survive. You choose to play these games and can quite easily avoid them by not playing them. But if you want to present some reason why you have to get enjoyment from playing an agent of reactionary forces then present it. Stop trying to strawman my criticisms.


Moralism is a slippery-slope and not radical at all.

I'm not being moralistic on any level. I am simply questioning why you find enjoyment from playing these games. Something you've so far failed to actually answer. Perhaps there's an answer inside your defensive attitude.

[Jimmie Higgins]

I'm not being moralistic on any level. I am simply questioning why you find enjoyment from playing these games. Something you've so far failed to actually answer. Perhaps there's an answer inside your defensive attitude.

Like I said, I don't play video-games much. Actually I enjoy playing Civilization on the computer where you are basically in the position of a monarch. Is it because I secretly want to be a monarch..? No if that were the case, I'd want to be playing a game where I have slaves feeding me and pleasuring me sexually all day like a real fucking monarch, not all this strategy bullshit. No, I enjoy it because it is a puzzle and it is dynamic and a diversion in a life where I spend most of my day in a brain-dead job. I also listen to music which sometimes has pretty repugnant gangster-type themes. I also like playing monopoly... does that mean I want to hold a real estate monopoly and privatize the rail system and win a beauty contest? Well, not the real-estate and rail-road thing anyway.

So yeah, it seems a little moralistic to me to complain about workers finding an entertaining diversion - especially when those workers are anti-imperialists who are grown-ups and know the difference between entertainment and reality.

We live in a capitalist system and we can not get away from cop TV shows or war toys and video games. Culture is a reflection of the society we live in and sometimes - since they have a monopoly on the technology and hiring of talent - they actually produce something that is well made, beautiful, or just a fun and addictive game. Like I said about church art - the feudal system meant that every artist was painting a nobleman or some religious scene... should people not enjoy the artistry or skill if they are against monarchy or don't believe christian stories?

[The Insurrection]

Like I said, I don't play video-games much. Actually I enjoy playing Civilization on the computer where you are basically in the position of a monarch. Is it because I secretly want to be a monarch..? No if that were the case, I'd want to be playing a game where I have slaves feeding me and pleasuring me sexually all day like a real fucking monarch, not all this strategy bullshit. No, I enjoy it because it is a puzzle and it is dynamic and a diversion in a life where I spend most of my day in a brain-dead job. I also listen to music which sometimes has pretty repugnant gangster-type themes. I also like playing monopoly... does that mean I want to hold a real estate monopoly and privatize the rail system and win a beauty contest? Well, not the real-estate and rail-road thing anyway.

So you think I'm questioning your motives because I think you want to be a special forces operative? That's not why I'm questioning you. Although, why you would want to play monopoly is beyond me. It's so incredibly dull.

But you've not answered my question again. OK, I accept it's a distraction, but why do you play these sort of games to be distracted? Surely there are other, more productive, interesting and less capitalist propaganda-esque things you can do, rather than staring at a TV screen pretending to be an agent of capital, going around shooting people in games that glorify imperialism and jingoism. I mean, you want to create an alternative to capitalism, so why don't you find alternative methods of entertainment.

But whatever. If you want to play these games, fine. It's ultimately your choice. But I don't think those choices are beyond criticism or questioning, whether you're a worker or not.


So yeah, it seems a little moralistic to me to complain about workers finding an entertaining diversion - especially when those workers are anti-imperialists who are grown-ups and know the difference between entertainment and reality.But why is it entertaining...

Trying to hide behind this "I'm a worker" nonsense is just completely disingenuous. I'm a worker too thanks and actually being part of the working class has fuck all to do with playing these games. I'm not "complaining about workers finding entertaining diversion", I'm questioning why these games are entertaining in the first place.

It seems to me you're just trying evade my question.


We live in a capitalist system and we can not get away from cop TV shows or war toys and video games.Erm. You can. Just don't watch those shows or buy the video game. I don't understand what's confusing about that...


Culture is a reflection of the society we live in...And you seem perfectly comfortable reinforcing that.


and sometimes - since they have a monopoly on the technology and hiring of talent - they actually produce something that is well made, beautiful, or just a fun and addictive gameBut we want to change the world right? Don't you think attacking capitalist culture is part of that process?

[Kosakk]

Playing video games is my hobby.

FPS is just one type of video games. There are a ton of others.

Take "Republic" for example, where you are to overthrow a dictator through a mix of board game and strategy. It's really hard, but you have the freedom to chose the new politics of your nation. Socialism, capitalism, etc.

You can also found indie games that isn't part of the big capitalist machine.
And not every game is propaganda.

But then again, I don't care. It's entertainment. And I enjoy it.

[The Insurrection]

The mantra "I don't care" is never really a very good one. Especially for communists.

[Aspiring Humanist]

I got BF3 a few days ago
The multiplayer is mind blowing, and the campaign has some anti-establishment elements to it, (deciding to kill US soldier to protect the russian guy so you can stop the PLR or whatever the hell it was)

[Kosakk]

The mantra "I don't care" is never really a very good one. Especially for communists.

Please, get off your high horse! You sound like my mother when it comes to video games.

Am I to stop watching films too, because it doesn't suite your idea of communism?

Give me a break....

[The Insurrection]

Please, get off your high horse! You sound like my mother when it comes to video games.

I'm not on a high horse, I'm simply questioning why you take so much enjoyment out of pretending to be an agent of reaction. You'll realise, when you grow up, the choices you make are not beyond criticism.

I mean, if you were honestly that serious about your politics, you'd see that I'm raising perfectly valid question and you'd respond to it properly, instead of stamping your foot like a petulant child.

Try some self-reflection.


Am I to stop watching films too, because it doesn't suite your idea of communism?Try reading what I've said.

[tobbinator]

I don't like the idolisation of the American imperialist military in games, but that doesn't mean I can't have fun playing them.

[The Insurrection]

Yes, everyone keeps saying they have fun playing them and enjoy playing them and are entertained by them. Just nobody seems to be able to explain why...

[tobbinator]

Yes, everyone keeps saying they have fun playing them and enjoy playing them and are entertained by them. Just nobody seems to be able to explain why...
Because it allows you to do something you wouldn't normally be able to do.

And that it's an interactive way of telling a story, one which engages the viewer far more than a movie or book.

[The Insurrection]

Because it allows you to do something you wouldn't normally be able to do.

And that it's an interactive way of telling a story, one which engages the viewer far more than a movie or book.

OK. But this is where I get confused. Why would a communist want to be an agent of reaction? Why would that be engaging for a communist? I genuinely don't understand how someone who sincerely wishes to create a free world; destroy capitalism and get rid of these brutal, agents of imperialism and capialism, who violently repress workers and movements for freedom, can find enjoyment engaging with that...

Do you not find it wholly offensive and distasteful to be an American special forces operative, going around killing people in some glorification of imperailism and jingoism? These games are disgusting. I don't get why that's not enough to reject them...

[Jimmie Higgins]

Just nobody seems to be able to explain why...I'm sure it's because it's a challenge and has good production values and the latest technology which matter more in video games than in film since it is experience-based rather than story-based (in which case low production values or amateurish film-making might not harm the enjoyment of the story itself).

I enjoyed WU-Tang albums because RZA made good songs and a lot of the members are skillful in their rhymes. I certainty would not write about what they wrote about if I had those skills, but enjoying this music did not prevent me from becoming a radical nor did listening to Dead Kennedys or Public Enemy make me become a radical.

[Kosakk]

I'm not on a high horse, I'm simply questioning why you take so much enjoyment out of pretending to be an agent of reaction. You'll realise, when you grow up, the choices you make are not beyond criticism.

I mean, if you were honestly that serious about your politics, you'd see that I'm raising perfectly valid question and you'd respond to it properly, instead of stamping your foot like a petulant child.

Try some self-reflection.

Try reading what I've said.

You're not questioning, you're labelling me. That's why you're on a high horse.

Video games being propaganda? Have you actually played one?
A few years back I've might have agreed with you, about the pro-american stance in FPS. Like America's Army. But that's going away now.

In a mission in MW2 you actually kill american soldiers, who are part of a PMC.
Also, the bad guy is an American general.....
So no, it's not all imperialistic propaganda.
And the reason why you play as an American soldier in most of these games is because most people in the world are familiar with the US Army. One way or another.

So what do you want to do about it? Ban video games? Or allow only those who "portrait a socialist reality" to be released?

[The Insurrection]

You're not questioning, you're labelling me. That's why you're on a high horse.

What have I labeled you?


In a mission in MW2 you actually kill american soldiers, who are part of a PMC.
Also, the bad guy is an American general.....
So no, it's not all imperialistic propaganda.
And the reason why you play as an American soldier in most of these games is because most people in the world are familiar with the US Army. One way or another.

You think this is anti-establishment? Who saves the day? Who wins? Who dies?

If you honestly are telling me you cannot see the propagada nature of these games, then I think the fact you play these games is the least thing to worried about.


So what do you want to do about it? Ban video games? Or allow only those who "portrait a socialist reality" to be released?

You need to calm down.

[Kosakk]

You'll realise, when you grow up, the choices you make are not beyond criticism.

That's why you sound like my mom. Btw, I'm 24 years old …

[The Insurrection]

That's why you sound like my mom. Btw, I'm 24 years old …

Well. Getting all angry and accusatory because someone questioned why you play certain video games is incredibly childish.

Someone saying "oh you sound like my mother" is the kind of thing a 13 year old would say...I mean, come on dude...

[Kosakk]

What have I labeled you?

Agent of reaction? You're implying that "a true communist" wouldn't play video games because it's reactionary.


You think this is anti-establishment? Who saves the day? Who wins? Who dies?

If you honestly are telling me you cannot see the propagada nature of these games, then I think the fact you play these games is the least thing to worried about.

I see the propaganda, but I'm mature enough to see beyond it. As an adult.
It's entertainment, not solely propaganda But we've both clearly have made up our minds on this issue and there's no way it'll change.

Does everything have to be anti-establishment?


You need to calm down.

Guess my sarcasm didn't translate well in written form.
My question is still the same however: What do you wanna do about it? Ban it or ignore it?

[Kosakk]

Well. Getting all angry and accusatory because someone questioned why you play certain video games is incredibly childish.

Someone saying "oh you sound like my mother" is the kind of thing a 13 year old would say...I mean, come on dude...

You're right. Sorry!

[Vendetta]

Neither, because I've seen the same game released about 200+ times now (And I was fine with MW1 and BF2).

[piet11111]

Well. Getting all angry and accusatory because someone questioned why you play certain video games is incredibly childish.

Someone saying "oh you sound like my mother" is the kind of thing a 13 year old would say...I mean, come on dude...

Except you do put up an argument a mom would have with her son when she finds out he is playing violent videogames/watching horror movies/listening to certain kinds of music.

But you should read this as it deals with the subject using the game assault on dark athena as an example.

http://ambientchallenge.blogspot.com/2011/11/assault-and-vinager.html

[xub3rn00dlex]

You guys seriously need to calm the fuck down… it's a fucking game.

[The Insurrection]

Except you do put up an argument a mom would have with her son when she finds out he is playing violent videogames/watching horror movies/listening to certain kinds of music.

Hmm. Well. Firstly I don't have a problem with violence or horror films, nor am I suggesting that he shouldn't be entertained by them, so I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Secondly, how many mothers do you think question their children's entertainment on the basis that it's anti-communist? So...

[The Insurrection]

You guys seriously need to calm the fuck down… it's a fucking game.

I don't think anyone's suggested it's anything other than game, have they? What are you on about?

[∞]

Both of these games reinforce capitalist and imperialist jingoism and allow you to play an agent of the most violent reactionary forces in the world.

Why do you people have enjoyment playing these games?

You kind of answered your own question.

[∞]

Anyway. I set me m16 on Single-fire and shot suckas far away whilst smoking a bowl, while this song was on.

NF96g86FkbY

[xub3rn00dlex]

We gotta start posting up XBL gamertags so we can get our commie on in BF3.

[eric922]

Battlefield or Call of Duty? I pick neither. I prefer this: It's the trailer for Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword. I just couldn't get it to embed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbfVQTn4Z5Q

[Tablo]

Battlefield or Call of Duty? I pick neither. I prefer this: It's the trailer for Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword. I just couldn't get it to embed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbfVQTn4Z5Q
Very excited for the new Zelda. My only worry is that it will be too easy like that past couple games.

[Pretty Flaco]

bf3 is so fuckin good!

I can fly jets good, but I still haven't killed a single person with one. :(

[xub3rn00dlex]

bf3 is so fuckin good!

I can fly jets good, but I still haven't killed a single person with one. :(

XBL or PSN? And I agree, it's ridiculous trying to take out another jet considering they're already a few levels above. Tanks are where it's at bro.

[Pretty Flaco]

XBL or PSN? And I agree, it's ridiculous trying to take out another jet considering they're already a few levels above. Tanks are where it's at bro.

PSN. honestly i like to strap a shitload of c4 on one of the smaller cars and i go all kamikaze on tanks ;)

[xub3rn00dlex]

PSN. honestly i like to strap a shitload of c4 on one of the smaller cars and i go all kamikaze on tanks ;)

Boo. Does no one on revleft use XBL?! Here's a tip, when you want to level your vehicles but suck at using them, let someone who has a few levels in them and knows how to use them drive, then just sit along for the ride. I did this with helicopters, where I'd just sit on the minigun or chill on the side and racked in the point till I got a few items ( Flares, heat seekers etc. ) I'm pretty beast with them now.

[∞]

PSN. honestly i like to strap a shitload of c4 on one of the smaller cars and i go all kamikaze on tanks ;)

Give me your PSN

[piet11111]

PSN. honestly i like to strap a shitload of c4 on one of the smaller cars and i go all kamikaze on tanks ;)

I was busy doing that once only a tank tried to run my over and i dropped and ended up underneath the tank where he tried to turn circles to hit me with the treads.

I managed to get some detpacks on his tank but it was one of the most intense game moments i ever had in multiplayer i managed to sneak away and to blow up that tank but man it was great to walk away from that.

[The Insurrection]

You kind of answered your own question.

Why would you want to do that?

[∞]

Shooting guns, blowing stuff up. :thumbup1:

[#FF0000]

this isn't the place for it but i wanna throw it out there that skyrim will be shit

[fatpanda]

meh I'll stick with Modern Warfare 3 because for BF3 you need an extra high end pc and i love arcade style shooters (even though the story is reactionary)

Skyrim will be awesome and did anyone check out the new Uncharted 3?

[xub3rn00dlex]

this isn't the place for it but i wanna throw it out there that skyrim will be shit

Why will it be shit?!

[ClearlyChrist]

Before I Say Anything, To Keep The Fanboys Away, I'll Say That These Two Should Not Be Compared. They Are Different Games Entirely. Now, Battlefield Is Better, Undoubtedly. Better Support, Good DLC, Good Campaign, Multiplayer Is Teamwork Orientated. Battlefield Is Everything That COD Will Never Be, And Vice Versa. If You Aren't A Loud Mouth, Ten Year Old Sycophant, You'll Buy Battlefield 3. And Yes, I'm An Elitist Prick, Blow Me.

[Die Rote Fahne]

If you have BF3 for Xbox let me know...i need people to squad up with haha

[xub3rn00dlex]

If you have BF3 for Xbox let me know...i need people to squad up with haha

Guess my XBL tag! :D

[TheGodlessUtopian]

"Why do communists like playing them?"

I doubt it has anything to do with ideology but rather that in these games you can play the role of the "action hero" and survive 'action-packed' scenarios in which you experience the processing power of the latest technology,and are engaged in a thrilling plot.This gives you a moment that lets you escape from the pressures of your real life regardless of what the game's actual message is.

[Comrade J]

Before I Say Anything, To Keep The Fanboys Away, I'll Say That These Two Should Not Be Compared. They Are Different Games Entirely. Now, Battlefield Is Better, Undoubtedly. Better Support, Good DLC, Good Campaign, Multiplayer Is Teamwork Orientated. Battlefield Is Everything That COD Will Never Be, And Vice Versa. If You Aren't A Loud Mouth, Ten Year Old Sycophant, You'll Buy Battlefield 3. And Yes, I'm An Elitist Prick, Blow Me.

Why do you start each word with a capital letter?

[Catma]

Did people really just spend 2 pages arguing about FPS campaign mode storylines?

There is a reason they're vastly simplistic, imperialistic, jingoist garbage: because nobody cares about the storylines. They're a reflection of culture in that they're a lazily written, slapped-together pile of trash, so what ideas would you expect to be in them besides the most basic id-impulses that drive American popular culture?

95% of people only play these games for the multiplayer. A sizeable percentage will never play the campaign at all. In multiplayer, you aren't fighting against "foreigners" or whatever. You're trying to beat a bunch of guys from the next town over.

[∞]

^Agreed, I haven't touched the campaign.

I spent the good part of this weekend playing BF3 and enjoying it's multilayer to it's fullest. The scale and size of the maps were breath-taking. I was able to take second, pause the game, look at the map, and apply my strategy. Best part was...it worked! I ended up killing 10 people by exploiting a chokehold by their spawn, until I ran out of ammo and they killed me eventually. This is something I've tried to do with Call of Duty games but was never successful due the chaotic frenzy that it is. Now the occasional asshole engineer will shoot your back during otherwise intense firefights. (The reason I think engineers who do this are assholes is because my teammates end up killing them anyway). What about vehicles? Intense tank-battles and dogfights all-around. Much more variety of vehicles this time around. This new engine is beautiful by the way, and COD has run on the same engine since 2006. The good thing is that COD can run on 60 fps, and is known for being smooth. However when it comes to physics and lighting, BF3 is worlds ahead. I like the fact that there isn't really an auto-aim, so you really have to understand the recoil of your weapon to make sure your gun doesn't trace around the enemy. Guns can get annoying though, with both high-recoil and low damage and lower-level players have a disadvantage since they have no attachments/guns.

I give it a 9.45/10: A very good improvement on BC2, and plays much like the BF2 which was my first love.

[Sturmovik]

Played BF3 for a week till MW3 came out, and now that I have it, I feel no need to turn back. MW3 extremely fast paced and hectic, perfect after a day of work.

Unlocking stuff is as addictive as ever and camping is nonexistent.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Played BF3 for a week till MW3 came out, and now that I have it, I feel no need to turn back. MW3 extremely fast paced and hectic, perfect after a day of work.

Unlocking stuff is as addictive as ever and camping is nonexistent.

Mw3 is the same shit each new release. And while some people prefer the hectic shoot em up style, it literally eliminates sniping in the game. There is absolutely no need for it, unlike bf3 where you can kick some ass from afar.

[Die Rote Fahne]

Guess my XBL tag! :D

It's NOT xub3rn00dlex hahaha...

I shall add you. My GT is deadlycommie.

[xub3rn00dlex]

It's NOT xub3rn00dlex hahaha...

I shall add you. My GT is deadlycommie.

Haha it absolutely isn't! I might be on tonight, but i doubt it since i got an exam to study for tomorrow.

One thing i do envy about MW3 is that i usually find rooms where all but 2 people have mics, whereas in BF3 i'm happy if 2-3 people have them.

[Die Rote Fahne]

Haha it absolutely isn't! I might be on tonight, but i doubt it since i got an exam to study for tomorrow.

One thing i do envy about MW3 is that i usually find rooms where all but 2 people have mics, whereas in BF3 i'm happy if 2-3 people have them.

Haha okay... And I have a mic so no worries

[IndependentCitizen]

Got both, prefer BF3.

However, I still find myself playing Project Reality: BF2 mod more. More teamwork based, and more variable.

Playing as insurgents can be so funny with the right people :D

[Art Vandelay]

Just got bf3 and have been trying to snipe all night. I got it for xbox, my gamer tag isn't my user name but another posters here name,:laugh:. We need to get a commie squad going.

[Die Rote Fahne]

Just got bf3 and have been trying to snipe all night. I got it for xbox, my gamer tag isn't my user name but another posters here name,:laugh:. We need to get a commie squad going.

Agreed

[Aloysius]

I'm too prole to afford xbox live, so I'd probably only play the campaigns, which is all right with me.

[∞]

But the campaigns suck.

edit: Seriously though, if you're looking for a good offline game, by no fucking means get one of these games.
Try Assassin's Creed, Saints Row 3 or Skyrim. You should've gotten a Wii then. Thats what I would do if I wasn't going online. Why?

SKYWARD FUCKING SWORD