My American nationalist, laissez faire capitalist teacher explains Communism

[MustCrushCapitalism]

Alright, guys, get ready for a laugh. My Global Studies teacher is an American Nationalist Capitalist, and her lesson on economic systems was just so damn awful, that I just need to vent to some of you.

Here's a summary of the systems she mentioned. The funny thing is that some of the parts where you'll think, he's exaggerating, I'm not exaggerating. Most of this is straight from the notes. I don't know if this is supposed to be a class or the Glenn Beck show half of the time.
Capitalism
Capitalism is a totally, completely fair system in which all power is given to the people. It is synonymous with democracy and choice and we should all support it. America is capitalist. America is good. Therefore, capitalism is good.
Socialism
Socialism is the system of countries such as Canada, Italy, and China. Our current President, Barack Obama, is a Socialist. Socialism is best described as a mix of Communism and Capitalism, and has been the system of many freedom-lacking nations.
Communism
Communism is a system in which the people have no choice in economic decisions. Rather than being democratically chosen, children who are observed to be Communists at a young age are made leaders and central planners, who make all decisions for the country undemocratically. Cuba, Vietnam, and North Korea are examples of Communist nations. Communism is synonymous with dictatorship and is evil and we must stop it.

tl;dr? American teachers are ****ing idiotic.

[Libertador]

tl;dr? American teachers are ****g retarded. This statement is offensive to both people with mental deficiencies and teachers.

Get the fuck off your horse.

[tir1944]

Why are such idiots allowed to teach children?
No wonder the Am. ed. system is fucked up...


This statement is offensive to both people with mental deficiencies and teachers.
No it isn't.It's a colloquial expression,and apllies exclusively to American teachers/teachers the OP had experiences with.

[Libertador]

No it isn't.It's a colloquial expression,and apllies exclusively to American teachers/teachers the OP had experiences with.

So I suppose it's completely acceptable to use any expression as long as its a colloquialism.

So calling people niggers and faggots is just fine? Calling a rocky outcrop a 'nigger-head' is perfectly acceptable?

[tir1944]

So I suppose it's completely acceptable to use any expression as long as its a colloquialism.
No,because these are widely recognized as racist and sexist slurs.
I don't see what's the difference between calling someone a "retard","moron" or an "idiot".And yet the latter two are widely used on this forum.

[MustCrushCapitalism]

No,because these are widely recognized as racist and sexist slurs.
I don't see what's the difference between calling someone a "retard","moron" or an "idiot".And yet the latter two are widely used on this forum.
^This.

Moron and idiot were both psychological terms, as was "retard", although the latter gives more emphasis. Besides that, this is such a miniscule issue.

[Libertador]

No,because these are widely recognized as racist and sexist slurs.
I don't see what's the difference between calling someone a "retard","moron" or an "idiot".And yet the latter two are widely used on this forum.I don't see the logic in saying that just because enough people accept something that makes it acceptable.

Idiot originally denoted someone who wasn't interesting in democracy and was concerned solely with private affairs.

[Le Socialiste]

I'm gonna have to side with Libertador on this. That said, however, your teacher sounds fucked up. I just hope most students will be able to identify the ridiculousness of "America is capitalist. America is good. Therefore, capitalism is good." :rolleyes:

[rundontwalk]

My macroeconomics professor is sort of like this, though he has a bit more of a nuanced view of capitalism in that he at least recognizes it's flawed (to some extent) and needs some rather stringent regulation on the part of the government.

I think things will slowly get better as the baby boomers die off, since the people replacing them won't have the kind of Cold War paranoia ingrained in them.

[MustCrushCapitalism]

I'm gonna have to side with Libertador on this. I just hope most students will be able to identify the ridiculousness of "America is capitalist. America is good. Therefore, capitalism is good." :rolleyes:

Wasn't word for word as that, but it was very, very, very propaganda-like, beyond that, the majority of students seemed to be in favor of capitalism as a result.

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Also, removing the word "retarded" from the original post, if it offends anyone, although I didn't imagine it would.

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I think things will slowly get better as the baby boomers die off, since the people replacing them won't have the kind of Cold War paranoia ingrained in them.

I'd have to agree with that. I notice some of the younger teachers hold more left views. A friend of mine in one of the best public schools in the state happens to have a very anticapitalist history teacher.

[khad]

Actually, if you hadn't, we would have to infract you for it. Take this as a warning, though. Don't use that word or any other potentially discriminatory slur here. It won't fly, and the admins won't be amused.

Them's the forum rules.

[Caj]

Did you tell your teacher that she was wrong and correct her? That's always fun. . . .

[MustCrushCapitalism]

Did you tell your teacher that she wrong and correct her? That's always fun. . . .
Unfortunately, no. :P When I corrected her on the government of France not being a constitutional monarchy, she called me rude, so I figured I'd just sit around and chuckle for this one.

[#FF0000]

Unfortunately, no. :P When I corrected her on the government of France not being a constitutional monarchy, she called me rude, so I figured I'd just sit around and chuckle for this one.

Be rude as fuck, then.

[MustCrushCapitalism]

Be rude as fuck, then.
I'd love to be. Unfortunately, detention isn't very fun and more likely than not, the teacher would not accept being wrong.

It's a bit frustrating, but it's my inspiration to educate people about the left.

[B5C]

Alright, guys, get ready for a laugh. My Global Studies teacher is an American Nationalist Capitalist, and her lesson on economic systems was just so damn awful, that I just need to vent to some of you.

Here's a summary of the systems she mentioned. The funny thing is that some of the parts where you'll think, he's exaggerating, I'm not exaggerating. Most of this is straight from the notes. I don't know if this is supposed to be a class or the Glenn Beck show half of the time.
Capitalism
Capitalism is a totally, completely fair system in which all power is given to the people. It is synonymous with democracy and choice and we should all support it. America is capitalist. America is good. Therefore, capitalism is good.
Socialism
Socialism is the system of countries such as Canada, Italy, and China. Our current President, Barack Obama, is a Socialist. Socialism is best described as a mix of Communism and Capitalism, and has been the system of many freedom-lacking nations.
Communism
Communism is a system in which the people have no choice in economic decisions. Rather than being democratically chosen, children who are observed to be Communists at a young age are made leaders and central planners, who make all decisions for the country undemocratically. Cuba, Vietnam, and North Korea are examples of Communist nations. Communism is synonymous with dictatorship and is evil and we must stop it.

tl;dr? American teachers are ****ing idiotic.

Just curious? What school are you going to? Add for a professor being that off.

[xub3rn00dlex]

I'd love to be. Unfortunately, detention isn't very fun and more likely than not, the teacher would not accept being wrong.

It's a bit frustrating, but it's my inspiration to educate people about the left.

Lol at detention. All they do is tell you go to room A B C after class. Don't go dude, and if the teacher gets all pissy about it go to a dean/upper management and tell them unfair detention for correcting a historical falacy on their part.

[Revolution starts with U]

skip detention, get in house (in school suspension) ... its a great place to get some studying done.. unlike school :lol:

[dodger]

I feel your pain!! MY STEPSON is firm in his belief that god made the earth in 6 days, unshakeable. A science teacher. However his sister, younger, the seeds have fallen on somewhat stonier ground. I caught sight of her at back of congregation...her Spanish fan on turbo, fighting to stay conscious....she lost the battle...her eyes slowly closed....her jaw dropped...and she started dribbling. Only her new suitor could find it an attractive look. The dear lamb did express in hushed tones later....."I am having doubts!".."why?" I asked. What was the sermon about?.."Greed"..."False Prophets", Her uncle who delivered obviously doesn't listen to his own solemn words...he has spent most of his life savings on finding Japanese gold...left by retreating troops buried in the hills. Indeed we spotted him in the back of a Jeepney with his partner, a Muslim hunter, who recalls a unit camped by a stream...digging. But which bloody stream? Surely with 2 gods and scores of prophets...one would take kindly to their endeavours? PERHAPS HE WISHES TO TEST THEIR FAITH?! I should not want to live in a world where god enjoyed tormenting folk.......Daughter was looking at fossils on the computer..."FAKE!" ...."CARVED BY ATHEISTS!" I said with authority....within earshot of son. Bigotry is such good fun!
"Perlease daddy....I must finish my project".

[M42-AEK]

cYeah I had a similar experience, except in community college, in my american government and politics class. I swear my teacher is only there because he served on the county gov, and got a bus stop installed at the school. he's always talking about how many lobbyists are in his phonebook, how he takes 20 minutes each day to write the congressman, and how his book "County Government: A guide to efficient and accountable government" (by Frank J. Coppa, You can look it up!!) still sells copies every year (because it's required class reading). anyway he said in capitalism the people can own the means of production, in communism you can't own anything. so I say "isn't it the opposite in capitalism only the few rich can own the means of production, while under communism we all own it and therefore all have access and availability to that means?" all he said to that was "no, no, mr. Fitzpatrick, you have it all backwards" and continued rambling about how he knows so and so

[ComradeMan]

Well, firstly seeing as I don't know your teacher and have never attended a lesson, I would question a few things based on what you have said without wishing to cast any aspersions on someone I don't know. Don't get mad and start calling people idiots, stay calm and question politely... ;)


Alright, guys, get ready for a laugh. My Global Studies teacher is an American Nationalist Capitalist, and her lesson on economic systems was just so damn awful, that I just need to vent to some of you.

"Global Studies" is presumably a subject that is intended to create a worldview and analyse worldwide issues, therefore to teach it through a "lense" of what you claim is American capitalist nationalism is surely biased. Sure, the "issues" can be viewed from a so-called "American capitalist nationalist" viewpoint- that is valid too- but they also should, in my opinion, be viewed from all other viewpoints too. For example there is definitely an "American capitalist interest viewpoint" on Cuba but there is also an international viewpoint, a socialist viewpoint, a communist viewpoint, an anarcho-communist viewpoint, a Cuban viewpoint, a third world viewpoint and so on... We live in a world of many viewpoints and in my opinion we cannot be objective (and this is valid for the left) if we ignore the viewpoints that perhaps we don't like.


Capitalism
Capitalism is a totally, completely fair system in which all power is given to the people. It is synonymous with democracy and choice and we should all support it. America is capitalist. America is good. Therefore, capitalism is
good.

Well the best way to debate this is to ask firstly for a definiton of "fair" and "good" and also how capitalism is defined anyway. The logic of (A)merica= (C)apitalist and (A)merica= (G)ood therefore (C)apitalism is good is not a good logical argument. Ducks are birds and ducks can swim therefore (all) birds can swim? ;) Is the second premise even self-evident?

You might also ask how democratic countries that do not follow the American model can therefore be defined as democratic if the American model is synonymous with democracy.

You could also question, perhaps, in what way "power" is devolved to the people in the US and UK systems as compared to European democratic models with greater direct democracy and multi-party systems as opposed to the basic voting for one out of a choice of two, maybe three, parties who then do what they want for 4-5 years with very little say from the person-in-the-street, i.e. the voter. I'm not saying the European models are better, you should be careful with value judgements, but if someone is making assertions then they need to explain and back them up.

Socialism
Socialism is the system of countries such as Canada, Italy, and China. Our current President, Barack Obama, is a Socialist. Socialism is best described as a mix of Communism and Capitalism, and has been the system of many freedom-lacking nations.

I didn't realise I lived in a socialist republic! This is another thing that I notice coming a lot from certain quarters in the US. Anything that isn't total laissez-faire libertarian capitalism is de facto "socialism" and "socialism" = "communism". To compare the systems, economies and politics of countries as vastly different as Canada, Italy and China and describe them as "socialist" and, therefore, "look what happens", is not really very accurate in my modest opinion.

You could also counter these claims by accepting the premise but then asking how come Canada had/has one of the highest living standards in the world? You could ask why a country such as Italy, according to a few stats I found, has a higher projected life expectancy and lower infant mortality rate than the US? Or why the US, as of 2011, has a higher unemployment rate than Italy etc? Or you could talk perhaps about the more "socialistic" democracies in Europe such as the Scandinavian countries that are generally recognised to have the highest standards in Europe, and so on?

Communism
Communism is a system in which the people have no choice in economic decisions. Rather than being democratically chosen, children who are observed to be Communists at a young age are made leaders and central planners, who make all decisions for the country undemocratically. Cuba, Vietnam, and North Korea are examples of Communist nations. Communism is synonymous with dictatorship and is evil and we must stop it.

Ask you teacher what they mean by communism; communism in theory or communism as was attempted in places like the USSR etc? You could also ask your teacher what is fundamentally "undemocratic" about a system which proposes that workers have a say and control over production and the workplace compared with the current system in the Western World in which, generally, workers do not have that power outside of unions- and they are limited too. You could also ask how come Allende was democratically elected in Chile for example, being a "communist".

If communism is de facto synonymous with dictatorship, and here I presume anything that is socialist falls into that category, then how would your teacher explain non-communist dictatorships such as Hitler, Mussolini, Pinochet, Franco, Stroessner (Paraguay) and various other non-left dictators that, ironically, have been supported by the democratic US and the West?

You could also, perhaps, look at all the countries in the world that would be very low on the "democracy" scale but in no way could be called "communist" or socialist.


tl;dr? American teachers are ****ing idiotic.

Don't generalise.... ever! :cool:
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It's strange though, most of my teachers were all 60s hippies and lefties with brown trousers, long hair and beards.... :lol: or the female ones had berets..... ;)

[Bud Struggle]

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It's strange though, most of my teachers were all 60s hippies and lefties with brown trousers, long hair and beards.... :lol: or the female ones had berets..... ;)

I can't wait to see what you RevLeft Commies will become in 30 years. :D

[Smyg]

[Insane glare] Half of us will be purged. [/Insane glare]

[communard71]

So I suppose it's completely acceptable to use any expression as long as its a colloquialism.

So calling people niggers and faggots is just fine? Calling a rocky outcrop a 'nigger-head' is perfectly acceptable?

Ha! talk about being on a horse! Yo, do you always miss the point of the discussion? The kid is looking for advice on how to deal with a very real problem and you sit in judgment of his terminology?

Anyways. I would simply keep cool with the teacher and let the other kids in your class view you as the alternative perspective to the teacher. Kids are very astute and they no doubt sit with slumped shpoulders and rolling eyes.

[Thug Lessons]

Actually, if you hadn't, we would have to infract you for it. Take this as a warning, though. Don't use that word or any other potentially discriminatory slur here. It won't fly, and the admins won't be amused.

Them's the forum rules.
You should just add a wordfilter that automatically blocks those. I know you can do that. Take it from me, an restricted user.

[#FF0000]

You should just add a wordfilter that automatically blocks those.

Uh wait yeah why don't we do this?

[Robert]

I can't wait to see what you RevLeft Commies will become in 30 years. :D

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[Thug Lessons]

That's me right now, just countin' the money I made from Trot death. I'm rich y'all. Posted from my iPhone.

[khad]

You should just add a wordfilter that automatically blocks those. I know you can do that. Take it from me, an restricted user.
And I know you don't know anything.

Mods don't have access to board software. PM an admin if you think it's worth it.

[Thug Lessons]

I didn't mean you, personally, but if you say so.

[Robert]

That's me right now, just countin' the money I made from Trot death. I'm rich y'all. Posted from my iPhone.

From your iPhone? Stylish, but pricey.

A penny saved ....

[GatesofLenin]

Why are such idiots allowed to teach children?
No wonder the Am. ed. system is fucked up...


Teach the young propaganda and you hook them for life.

[hatzel]

I'm sick of hearing what people's teachers have to say about things. I also don't care what random people on Facebook believe. These are always the very worst of all the terrible threads I have the misfortune of reading. Yeah, I get it, sometimes people say things we may think are foolish, sure, but there's no need to announce it to the wholly disinterested world all the time...