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[Craig_J]

Hello, my names Craig I'm a new member to the forum. I turned 18 about 3 weeks ago and I've been a Labour party member for the last few months. I was hoping that maybe with some input from more people it could change from the centralised party it is at the moment back to the old socialist party it was. But I'm beginning to feel that no major party will ever have the balls to make a stand and do it. I've also started to wonder if my views are perhaps more communist and I've decided to join the forum to get a feel for this ideology and also find out what UK communist partys there are (if you could help me with that then please do!).

Glad to join the forum :)

[MarxSchmarx]

Hello, my names Craig I'm a new member to the forum. I turned 18 about 3 weeks ago and I've been a Labour party member for the last few months. I was hoping that maybe with some input from more people it could change from the centralised party it is at the moment back to the old socialist party it was. But I'm beginning to feel that no major party will ever have the balls to make a stand and do it. I've also started to wonder if my views are perhaps more communist and I've decided to join the forum to get a feel for this ideology and also find out what UK communist partys there are (if you could help me with that then please do!).

Glad to join the forum :)

Welcome! Many here feel Labour is a lost cause but we have a list of groups in the UK (http://www.revleft.com/vb/political-organisations-t27951/index.html and http://www.revleft.com/vb/index-revolutionary-left-t161867/index.html).

[Manic Impressive]

Hello and welcome!

We don't agree with each other about much on this forum but our opposition to reformism is one thing we all have in common. Capitalism is a system which will always go through cycles of growth and recession. Capitalists can only exist by taking value from workers labour, value that the workers have created. While reforms have done good for example the NHS or the minimum wage they will never ever fix the problems or the exploitation in capitalism. That's why as socialists we never advocate reforms but we do defend them when capitalists try to revoke them. Some within the Labour party thought that it would be possible to reach socialism through gradual reform but this has proven time and again to be absolutely false and in fact all reforms do is to force any members who are genuine about creating a better society in to capitulation and compromise with the capitalist class. Which inevitably leads to workers interests being forgotten any time there is a crisis. For this reason I would not say that Labour is a lost cause. I would say that it was never a cause to be supported in the first place.

On the formation of the Labour Party
http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialism-or-your-money-back/edwardian-times/new-force-politics

Ralph Miliband (Ed's Dad) on reformism
http://www.marxists.org/archive/miliband/1985/xx/beyondsd.htm

[OHumanista]

Welcome comrade Craig!:)
I find myself in a "rather" similar situation being in the Worker's Party of Brasil(which is the ruling party). However I must say my party is still far more leftist than Labour is today including a good number of revolutionary leftists, so I think your situation may be a LOT more complicated than mine.

Sadly I am 95% sure that the revolutionary left of my party will fail in retaking the party.But I have very strong personal reasons to help them at least at the moment.

[Caj]

Welcome to the forum.


no major party will ever have the balls to make a stand and do it.

I believe this would constitute sexist language on this forum.

[Kamos]

I believe this would constitute sexist language on this forum.

No, it wouldn't. Ironically, only the use of female sexual organs in their everyday meaning is considered sexist here.

[EvilRedGuy]

Its irrelevant what gender organs we are talking about its still sexist to one group.