Infinite

[kid communist]

I've been looking at Bioshock Infinite,and there's something I don't get;one of the enemy groups is a socialist group called the Vox Populi.:scared:They look like Red/Anarchist Skinheads,so I'm wondering if they end up being silenced by the right-wingers,or if their's a twist at the end,and they topple the fascists,and the whole thing was just to piss us leftists off,'cuz so far it's been working!:cursing:I sure hope it doesn't end up being a libertarian thing,and trying to create peace between the proletarian,who are exploited the living shit out of,and the capital-
-ists,who have never cared about the people they exploit,haven't been caring about the people they exploit,and never will care about the people they exploit!I am offended that they would put people who want to end hate,and inequality,a-
-nd corporate greed as the villians,and the people who want to spread racism,
and sexism,and homophobia,and poverty as the heroes.I know it's just a video game,but still,you don't fuck with us!

[RedAnarchist]

Bioshock is influenced by the ideas of Ayn Rand, apparently - it may even be based on her ideas.

[Smyg]

At least one of the creators is an objectivist, if I don't misremember.

[#FF0000]

Bioshock is influenced by the ideas of Ayn Rand, apparently - it may even be based on her ideas.

Er... The entire game was one huge testament to why Ayn Rand is the biggest dummy.

And Vox Populi aren't really the enemy. If I remember, your chracter is trying to get this one woman out of Columbia, and so you're more or less caught up in the middle of this civil war/revolution.

You do play a former Pinkerton agent, though.

Y'all cry too hard. Honestly. Stop it.

[Smyg]

This is an OI thread about video games. Stop making sense. :lol:

[kid communist]

Bioshock is influenced by the ideas of Ayn Rand, apparently - it may even be based on her ideas.
Well,that would explain it.

[RGacky3]

Its a video game, it does'nt matter.

But yeah, BioShock is ripping into Ayn Rands ideas, if you pay attention.

[#FF0000]

Well,that would explain it.

That is not true. Have you ever even played Bioshock?


But yeah, BioShock is ripping into Ayn Rands ideas, if you pay attention.

You hardly even have to pay attention with a villain named Andrew Ryan.

[Revolution starts with U]

Game Informer called it "obviously making fun of libertarians" or something like that...

[khad]

Eh, the second game is a screed against communism (and feminism). You'd be an idiot not to see it.

The main villain for Bioshock 2:
http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/Sofia_Lamb


Lamb began spreading her altruistic ideals, hoping to enlighten the citizens through ethical psychiatry and create a true utopia. Her unconventional techniques involved free therapy sessions for the poor citizens in Pauper's Drop, poker games in which she intentionally lost to spread wealth to those who needed it, and the creation of an artistic commune at her personal property in Dionysus Park. After the birth of her daughter, Eleanor Lamb, she made certain that Eleanor would be the perfect vessel to continue furthering her goals. She attempted to keep her daughter isolated from other children and privately tutored her, hoping to raise a genius-level intellect.

Andrew Ryan noticed Lamb's growing influence with the citizens of Rapture and began to regret bringing her in. Her ideology of altruism largely clashed with his own, and Ryan saw her as a corrupting influence in his paradise. He agreed to a series of public debates with her, hoping to defuse her support by showing how foolish her reasoning was. The topics of these debates ranged from religious rights to the very nature of reality. These debates did not have the intended effect, and only strengthened the faith of Lamb's followers. Lamb's followers even became bold enough to shape a religion around her ideals, referring to themselves as "The Rapture Family" and treating her philosophical book Unity and Metamorphosis as a religious document.

Eventually Lamb became so much of a threat to Ryan that he resorted to less ethical means to have her brought down. Augustus Sinclair's firm, Sinclair Solutions, was given the task of planting a spy in Sofia Lamb's inner circle to find any crime for which she could be jailed. The spy, Stanley Poole, eventually gathered enough evidence for Ryan to make his move, arresting Lamb and placing her in Persephone Penal Colony, along with many of her followers. However, before she was taken away Sofia entrusted her daughter Eleanor into the care of Grace Holloway. Once she was gone, Ryan erased all public record of her existence, making her disappear just as he had done for many other public dissidents. Most of the upper class sections of Rapture soon forgot about her, but in Pauper's Drop her following was still strong.

...

Lamb comes into conflict with Subject Delta when he finds himself revived by a Vita-Chamber, beginning his search for his original Little Sister: Eleanor Lamb. She serves great importance to The Rapture Family, prompting Sofia's actions against Delta.

Throughout most of the game, Lamb stays in frequent contact with Delta over his radio, often attempting to taunt or intimidate him from continuing further while also espousing her beliefs and philosophy; rather similar to Andrew Ryan's messages for Jack during the first half of the original game. Through various Audio Diaries and records, it becomes clear that Lamb has an iron grip over Rapture and murders all who attempt to flee. In addition, the audio-diaries also show that Lamb was obsessed with using ADAM and Rapture's splicing technology to transform Eleanor into a "Utopian" or "the People's Daughter" based on Fontaine's creation and indoctrination of Jack.

Here's a hint for everyone:

Don't expect socialist messages out of capitalist media.

[Commissar Rykov]

Bioshock 1 was a slam against Objectivism. Bioshock 2 was a slam against communism as khad said. I stopped caring about Bioshock after 2 as it just seems they are picking random ideologies to take the piss out of.

[Revolution starts with U]

Well the developer said he had a "worthless liberal arts degree. So I read a lot of Ayn Rand, Orwell, and all the dystopian/utopian novels of the 20th century." He seems to be your standard non-doctrinaire anti-authoritarian.

On the other hand in Civ 2, Communism is a beast government style. (But in 3 fundamentalism is :rolleyes:)

[Commissar Rykov]

Well the developer said he had a "worthless liberal arts degree. So I read a lot of Ayn Rand, Orwell, and all the dystopian/utopian novels of the 20th century." He seems to be your standard non-doctrinaire anti-authoritarian.

On the other hand in Civ 2, Communism is a beast government style. (But in 3 fundamentalism is :rolleyes:)
In Civ 2 in the Civipedia article it was obvious that someone was a communist who helped make the game it was a little beyond obvious.:lol:

[#FF0000]

Bioshock 2 wasn't made by the same team that made Bioshock 1, btw. They were already working on Infinite by then.

[Rafiq]

Can you all shut up about Bioshock 2? It wasn't a slam against communism at all, it was a slam at the "Other" side of Libertariainsim. Bio-shock 2 was a slam against a different form of Utopianism. both Utopian Socialism and Utopian Free Market-ism are equally dumb.

[ComradeMan]

Political indoctrination through computer games..... :rolleyes:

What have we come to? :lol:

[Revolution starts with U]

Political indocrination has been a part of games at least since the Royal family were the best cards.

[ComradeMan]

Political indocrination has been a part of games at least since the Royal family were the best cards.

Not if you play briscola.... ;) Ace then Three trumps all. :lol:

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Political indocrination has been a part of games at least since the Royal family were the best cards.
Would the game of Spades be considered suit-supremacist?