Steve Jobs, Capitalist Scum

[Klaatu]

Steve Jobs, Capitalist Scum

Steve Jobs Biography Reveals He Told Obama, 'You're Headed For A One-Term Presidency'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/20/steve-jobs-biography-obama_n_1022786.html


"Jobs also criticized America's education system, saying it was "crippled by union work rules," noted Isaacson. "Until the teachers' unions were broken, there was almost no hope for education reform." Jobs proposed allowing principals to hire and fire teachers based on merit, that schools stay open until 6 p.m. and that they be open 11 months a year."

[The Jay]

How is year long school and long school hours a bad thing?

[Veovis]

How is year long school and long school hours a bad thing?

Kids wouldn't be able to participate in sports or other extracurricular activities. Plus, less time to do homework.

As for a longer year, I don't really have any objections to it.

[xub3rn00dlex]

If anything, maybe the school year should be open all year, but available to those who want to attend it, rather than forcing everyone to attend?

[Jose Gracchus]

I do. Revolutionary socialists do not react to the social and economic crises of capital by demanding that the children of the working-class be more thoroughly institutionalized and regulated constantly by the bourgeois state. The goal here is to deal with the economic disarray and social disintegration by further implementing the logic of the Marine Corps barracks throughout society, and particularly among the unruly youth.

Are youth unemployed because of insufficient 'discipline', 'lazy' and 'poor' teachers, and insufficient 'work ethic' and 'sacrifice' by children? Are you a far rightist, or a revolutionary communist?

[Lynx]

When you have long winters like we do in Canada, a summer break is a necessity for both children and adults. Besides, too much time in school is wasted learning useless crap.

[Klaatu]

How is year long school and long school hours a bad thing?

Sorry but I am not against kids getting a better education!

I am against Jobs (and others') call to "bust teacher unions"

Unions built this country, not capitalists!

[The Jay]

I do. Revolutionary socialists do not react to the social and economic crises of capital by demanding that the children of the working-class be more thoroughly institutionalized and regulated constantly by the bourgeois state. The goal here is to deal with the economic disarray and social disintegration by further implementing the logic of the Marine Corps barracks throughout society, and particularly among the unruly youth.

Are youth unemployed because of insufficient 'discipline', 'lazy' and 'poor' teachers, and insufficient 'work ethic' and 'sacrifice' by children? Are you a far rightist, or a revolutionary communist?

Are you questioning my politics because I think kids should know more math?

[Yuppie Grinder]

How is year long school and long school hours a bad thing?

Children need childhoods.

[tfb]

Steve Jobs the dropout wants kids to go to school constantly...

Anyway, xub3rn00dlex, I think that it would be bad to have a school that's open during the summer, but only for students who want to go. Once the kids start being able legally to work, the poor kids will work the summers while the rich kids are in school.

[The Dark Side of the Moon]

How is year long school and long school hours a bad thing?

Your obviously not in school.
So, what's wrong with longer work hours, less vacation etc

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Your obviously not in school.
So, what's wrong with longer work hours, less vacation etc

The longer hours are ridiculous (until six), if anything school should start later (early start presumably to drill for later work life), but there's also the fact that the U.S. school year is very short compared to most of the world (180 days or something as opposed to 220-240 in most of the world). I'd think that it might be a good thing if there were more but shorter school days. I know I preferred that when I went to school (I refused to come before 10).

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

How is year long school and long school hours a bad thing?
It's an attempt to further institutionalize working class children and prepare them for work within the capitalist system.

[阿部高和]

Steve Jobs, Capitalist Scum

Steve Jobs Biography Reveals He Told Obama, 'You're Headed For A One-Term Presidency



how does that make him capitalist scum (I mean he was, but for criticising Obama...)?

[Klaatu]

how does that make him capitalist scum (I mean he was, but for criticising Obama...)?

I was drunk when I wrote that. (it is a bit unprofessional :D)

My raw nerve is hit when someone says "tear down teacher unions" especially when that person (A) has never worked in a union and (B) has never stood in front of a classroom. In other words, Jobs knows nothing about unions nor teaching. Therefore his opinion is unqualified.
He is just repeating what he hears on Fox News and Tea Party rhetoric. (Who are also unqualified to make such statements)

[MustCrushCapitalism]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc.#Labor_practices

*whistles innocently*

[xub3rn00dlex]

Keeping kids in schook till 6 is fucking absurd considering many kids have to travel once they hit jr. High and hs ( i personally traveled over an hour in each direction dailyto get to hs ). I agree that kids want to work over summers, but instead of more curriculum why not teach the kids job skills?

[MustCrushCapitalism]

Keeping kids in schook till 6 is fucking absurd considering many kids have to travel once they hit jr. High and hs ( i personally traveled over an hour in each direction dailyto get to hs ). I agree that kids want to work over summers, but instead of more curriculum why not teach the kids job skills?
Schools (in the US, at least) do need some big changes... there's learning things... but there's not real learning. It's hard to explain what I mean.

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

Are youth unemployed because of insufficient 'discipline', 'lazy' and 'poor' teachers, and insufficient 'work ethic' and 'sacrifice' by children? Are you a far rightist, or a revolutionary communist?

And yet, those schools that ostentiably give people disapline, have good teachers, and give children a good work ethic and the ability to sacrifice are the ones which children graduating from seem to do the best.

How do you square your idea that such things do not affect employment prospects for kids, with the idea that children from private schools, for example, tend to do a lot better?

[tir1944]

I don't think longer school hours is an issue.
The real question is not how much time do they spend in school,but HOW do they spend that time.
IMO the Left should campaign for school programs to improve:starting from Creationism and other issues like "America single-handedly winning the WW2" etc...

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

And yet, those schools that ostentiably give people disapline, have good teachers, and give children a good work ethic and the ability to sacrifice are the ones which children graduating from seem to do the best.
So, if someone isn't doing well by bourgeois standards, it's because they're lazy and undisciplined? Please clarify that, because that's how I'm reading what you wrote, and I want to give you the benefit of the doubt.

[∞]

but instead of more curriculum why not teach the kids job skills?

Because its education and gaining knowledge. Not preparing for the cubicle of life. School is already too much like work.

[ZeroNowhere]

And yet, those schools that ostentiably give people disapline, have good teachers, and give children a good work ethic and the ability to sacrifice are the ones which children graduating from seem to do the best.

How do you square your idea that such things do not affect employment prospects for kids, with the idea that children from private schools, for example, tend to do a lot better?
Oh, I don't know, who tends to go to private schools? Of course, in the UK, such successful institutions are also the ones which most regularly churn out prominent politicians, so one figures that they can't be that effective.

[Dogs On Acid]

Children are naturally curious. They should be taught to use the internet as soon as possible.

The web is a wonderful source of education and development, without forcing them to sit down and pay attention.

[Rafiq]

We do not need longer school hours or more months a year. Even shorter school would be fine.

What we need is a better quality of education that we receive within those hours.

[Rafiq]

Children are naturally curious. They should be taught to use the internet as soon as possible.

The web is a wonderful source of education and development, without forcing them to sit down and pay attention.

I learn from the Internet more than I do from school. Everything we learn I already know

[∞]

Children are naturally curious. They should be taught to use the internet as soon as possible.

The web is a wonderful source of education and development, without forcing them to sit down and pay attention.

I can see it now...meme-based education.

[Dogs On Acid]

I learn from the Internet more than I do from school. Everything we learn I already know

No shit.

The internet allows for a free and interactive learning experience, that allows you the freedom of taking your own time grasping concepts, and following your own route.

The modern school system has already been proven over and over again as inefficient.

Children have energy, the want to learn, and they want to have fun. Put these to concepts together and you have success.

[Mitja]

Kids wouldn't be able to participate in sports or other extracurricular activities. Plus, less time to do homework.

As for a longer year, I don't really have any objections to it.

steve just wanted to make an super army of apple geniuses but failed.

p.s: a cartoon named futurama is making fun out of apple
watch?v=EaHUpWuqNHY

SouthPark (more brutal)
southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s15e01-humancentipad

[Rafiq]

No shit.

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No need to be hostile

[Dogs On Acid]

No need to be hostile

Wasn't being hostile man, I was acknowledging you.

[Hexen]

So, if someone isn't doing well by bourgeois standards, it's because they're lazy and undisciplined? Please clarify that, because that's how I'm reading what you wrote, and I want to give you the benefit of the doubt.

It's analogous to this (i.e. Jobs is actually saying "Work Faster!"):

http://www.stueysplace.ca/img/slaveswhip.jpg

This is capitalism in a nutshell.

[GatesofLenin]

Steve Jobs could've setup Apple factories assembling all Ipod - Ipad devices here in north america and paid it's workers well and still show a profit. Shame he dealt with companies in China that abuse their workers.

[Hexen]

Steve Jobs could've setup Apple factories assembling all Ipod - Ipad devices here in north america and paid it's workers well and still show a profit. Shame he dealt with companies in China that abuse their workers.

Because to a capitalist mind such as Jobs, they are to be used, abused, and disposed of while they scream "Next!".

[GatesofLenin]

Because to a capitalist mind such as Jobs, they are to be used, abused, and disposed of while they scream "Next!".

So true, profits before human life. :thumbdown:

[The Stalinator]

We do not need longer school hours or more months a year. Even shorter school would be fine.

What we need is a better quality of education that we receive within those hours.

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Children need to be free. Children need to have time to learn on their own. Children need to enjoy themselves, children need time to have no stress.

One of the hardest things about school for some kids is listening to unengaging, dragged-out and pointless lessons for hours on end.

Good curriculum + engaging classes + manageable class times = happy students who love to learn and don't see school as a chore. The less homework, the better, as well. IMO kids should only have to do homework if they didn't finish work in class.

If you keep someone in a shitty class for longer every year, it's just going to make them hate learning more and it'll make school seem more miserable. I know this from experience. Kids, as privileged as they seem, don't have it so good.

[Yuppie Grinder]

Homework isn't an issue. Kids need to be taught how to organize their shit and not lose stuff.

[Agent Ducky]

I'm at school 8 until 5 (I go to an arts high school) and a lot of kids commute pretty far. We have excellent education quality but it really puts a strain on the kids. People talk about longer school hours but I'm under the impression from personal experience that it's probably not the best idea to have kids in school longer than their parents are working.

[OHumanista]

Good grief if I had to be in school even more hours when I was a student I'd go nuts and start biting people like a rabid dog.
Using the internet I learned at very least a billion times what I learned in school. I barely learned anything there aside from reading and writing.
Plus 90% of the teachers I had were terrible. At least in the area of human sciences I ALWAYS knew much much more then they did(and english which I learned all by myself with ZERO outside help).

[Agent Ducky]

Homework isn't an issue. Kids need to be taught how to organize their shit and not lose stuff.
And homework does such a good job of that, doesn't it?

11 years of doing homework and I still have not ceased being a disorganized wreck or showed any sign of breaking my perpetual cycle of losing stuff. We need a better technique.

[∞]

Schools focus too much on organization. I know too many brilliant minds who suffer because of this. Its not fair. Its not good to be punishing people so severely for being absent minded. The entire system is fucked up because of this. Their only goal is to teach all this organization to create a population smart enough to run the machines but too dumb to think critically. I mean I can't even fucking remember when any of my teachers tried to teach the beauty of their subject. No, its ,plan, organize, schedule. Which is fine to some extent , but your entire grade should not depend on it.

[Dogs On Acid]

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[jaki cold]

How is year long school and long school hours a bad thing?

Because it's more time that the government gets to kidnap and indoctrinate your child, for the sole purpose of social control? :confused:

[aristos]

Well, if we were talking about a socialist society long school hours would not be a bad thing, but then school in a socialist society would not resemble today's schools in any shape or form (rather be a holistic learning experience).

[Void]

Steve Jobs.. we meet in hell... Buddhism is not going to save your ass from hell-fire

[Ocean Seal]

How is year long school and long school hours a bad thing?
Because it's a teacher's job that we're talking about. How is less vacation time and more working hours bad.

[Robocommie]

I think what we should be looking at is quality, over quantity of education. Stop treating schools like they're god-damn mills - and of course, the obligatory reworking of a criminally unfair funding system.

[Hexen]

So true, profits before human life. :thumbdown:

Capitalists and Cancerous Parasites are synonyms. Profits and the very concept of currency (money, etc) are designed to only care about themselves and a excuse for their irresponsible selfish behavior (like the "human nature" claim they and our (or should I say their) society always retorts to).

[Craig_J]

I don't think calling Jobs "scum" would do either the socialist/ communist ideologys many favours if someone netural was to look at this thread by chance.

I may not agree with the views of capitalists and I can find my self enraged with some of the things they say but still, I have to respect their views to some extent and argue against them with reasonable discussions rather than labeling them as "scum".

Remember, don't hate the man hate the system!

[∞]

Remember, don't hate the man hate the system!

This is actually very important thing that leftists should consider. Leftists need to understand the man is following the laws in his own rite and the system is the issue.

[Klaatu]

I don't think calling Jobs "scum" would do either the socialist/ communist ideologys many favours if someone netural was to look at this thread by chance.

I may not agree with the views of capitalists and I can find my self enraged with some of the things they say but still, I have to respect their views to some extent and argue against them with reasonable discussions rather than labeling them as "scum".

Remember, don't hate the man hate the system!
I agree that calling Jobs "scum" was inappropriate; I should have called him a:

"Capitalist Exploiter-Slave-Holder who uses others' ideas to enrich himself and take all of the credit for himself."