Comrades, this needs to be addressed:

[Rafiq]

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/303983_2597473455571_1216774922_33173161_102053904 7_n.jpg

Discuss...

[Rafiq]

The video could be fake too..

[Le Rouge]

Please explain what it is. thanks

[tfb]

Oh my god! You're right! Gaddafi is in BOTH of those pictures! :scared:

[tir1944]

Gadafi's over with,that's a fact.
Photoshop con.-theories don't make much sense.
It's a surprise he lasted this long anyway!

But god preserve the Libyan people...if Gadafi was bad,these guys are going to be 10 times worse...

[Rafiq]

Please explain what it is. thanks

The picture is a fake.

They edited his face in the supposed picture of him being "dead" and colored it and such.

Look at the pictures. Look at the resemblance.

[Rafiq]

Gadafi's over with,that's a fact.
Photoshop con.-theories don't make much sense.
It's a surprise he lasted this long anyway!

But god preserve the Libyan people...if Gadafi was bad,these guys are going to be 10 times worse...

But the picture is fake

[Rafiq]

Even look at the nose and the mouth of the pictures, where the face is positioned. So obviously fake.

[tfb]

http://vimeo.com/6747788

Obama never actually met any of these people! He has the same face in every picture!

[aristos]

But this is just a framegrab from a video.
Unless the video was composited as well...

[Tim Cornelis]

http://www.powned.tv/images/fotos/MuammarKaddafi1_gr.jpg

Doesn't seem fake, comradski.

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[The CPSU Chairman]

Rafiq is right, that's clearly fake.

Does this mean he might not be dead after all, or is there other evidence of his death besides that photo?

[robbo203]

Why the hell does this matter. What's with this "great man" fetish. Thousands of nameless and ordinary Joe Bloggs lost their lives in this and other conflicts with not a mention anywhere. Stop playing by the agenda set by the capitalist media which makes a great song and dance about the happenings of our political leaders, celebrities and whatnot as if the world revolves around them. They only seem to stand tall because we perversely seek to remain on our knees and this leader obsession is yet another instance of that.

[Rafiq]

I didn't say I fucking liked Gadaffi, robo.


And Goti, that's the video, which is entirely different from this obviously fake picture that was put on this forum.

analyse the picture and pay close attention to it.

Oh, I'm such a crazy fucking conspiracy theorist.

You don't think the Bourgeoisie manipulates photos? Had it been Stalin who did that we would all believe it, but when the Bourgeoisie does it it's suddenly a conspiracy theory because Democracy would never lie to us!

[robbo203]

I didn't say I fucking liked Gadaffi, robo.


And Goti, that's the video, which is entirely different from this obviously fake picture that was put on this forum.

analyse the picture and pay close attention to it.

Oh, I'm such a crazy fucking conspiracy theorist.

You don't think the Bourgeoisie manipulates photos? Had it been Stalin who did that we would all believe it, but when the Bourgeoisie does it it's suddenly a conspiracy theory because Democracy would never lie to us!

Not the point. Fake or no fake why make such a big deal out of it? Thats the point I was trying to convey

[Rafiq]

Not the point. Fake or no fake why make such a big deal out of it? Thats the point I was trying to convey

because it should be a warning that we aren't cynical enough of the media on this situation

We can't just blindly accept things because of pictures or videos.

[tir1944]

And what if the Third(and second) picture is the one that's actually been PS-ed? There's lots of trolls on the Net...

[Rafiq]

And what if the Third(and second) picture is the one that's actually been PS-ed? There's lots of trolls on the Net...

They are photo shopped...

Gadaffis face was cut out from one of his moments when he looked like a slobbering idiot (as usual)

Then they pasted it on a picture of some injured man

Then they shit all over his face with blood.

It's not hard?

[Rafiq]

Oh my god! You're right! Gaddafi is in BOTH of those pictures! :scared:

Are you some kind of Idiot?

If you can't see this was photoshopped you have vision issues.

[Tim Cornelis]

They are photo shopped...

Gadaffis face was cut out from one of his moments when he looked like a slobbering idiot (as usual)

Then they pasted it on a picture of some injured man

Then they shit all over his face with blood.

It's not hard?

It's not fake. The hair of the third photo is real because it "fits" best. The hair on the first photo is different. His right eye is also slightly different.

Check out the picture I posted, it's obviously real. And you can clearly see it's the same as your supposed photoshop picture. Fact is we've seen Kadaffi captured and alive, we've seen him dead in videos. Why would they photoshop this? makes no sense

[A Revolutionary Tool]

You see Rafiq it would just be incredibly stupid for the rebels to put out a picture of him being dead or "the bourgeoisie" doing this because if he's not actually dead he can just come out and show that he's not with a video or something. Guy has the same stupid look on his face in two pictures so one must be fake? Give me a break.

[Os Cangaceiros]

If it were really fake he'd just get on his smartphone and record a message. "Wuddup *****es, it's me, Moamar. And my hair is totally not a wig, what a wretched lie those imperialist jackals have told about me."

"Oh, and I'm still alive."

[Paulappaul]

how did they fake the video?

[Savage]

fuck the petty bourgeois liberal anarchists who think weapons can take down the might of anti-imperialism. He just wants us to think that he's dead so he can start working on his debut LP with tupac.

[Delenda Carthago]

Was he alive during the video?

[Rafiq]

Maybe they have him alive and want others to thibk othereise... You guys are so fuckb closed minded

[Agathor]

Gadaffi was a notorious dictator for forty years. There are many pictures of him. It's not surprising that two of them would look slightly similar.

Also BUILDING 7

[Smyg]

The photo is might be fake, I don't know. But he's definitely dead.

[Nox]

They probably viciously executed him soon after they found him, they just faked this video to make it seem like he was injured to back up their story that he died from his injuries.

Just a thought.

[Hiero]

Maybe they have him alive and want others to thibk othereise... You guys are so fuckb closed minded

But there is video of him laying on the ground dead, his body is a dead weight like actual dead body or unconcious body.

From what I gathered between the two videos out there, they take him off the front of the truck. He is able to stand, but he is dying. So he has been critically wounnded at this point. The rebels are pulled him around. The rebels give him no chance at survival by not attending to his wounds. Then the other video has him laying on the ground with now shirt on being dragged around. Even if ther is the chance that he is alive in the last video, he looks like he is dying.

[GatesofLenin]

What was Ghaddafi's political leanings anyways? I know he was anti-west but he wasn't a marxist.

[RedSonRising]

What was Ghaddafi's political leanings anyways? I know he was anti-west but he wasn't a marxist.


He started out preaching a Pan-Arabist Left-Nationalism similar to Gamal Abdul Nasser of Egypt, came to power through a coup d'etat, then slowly went crazy and eroded what coherent and applicable political foundation his party had in the first place. So he remained "anti-imperialist", but hardly did anything for the working people of the Middle East or the world besides make social service concessions with the national oil reserve revenue.


Also, the gaze and positioning of the two photos associated with each other in the OP are pointing in different directions. Just sayin'.

[danyboy27]

he is on an island with elvis and the kennedys sipping a cold drink.

[Smyg]

He's dead (http://www.reuters.com/video/2011/10/21/gaddafis-body-lies-in-misrata-market-coo?videoId=223784402&videoChannel=1). Very dead. As is his son (http://www.reuters.com/video/2011/10/21/body-of-gaddafis-son-displayed?videoId=223785002&videoChannel=117760).

[A Revolutionary Tool]

He's dead (http://www.reuters.com/video/2011/10/21/gaddafis-body-lies-in-misrata-market-coo?videoId=223784402&videoChannel=1). Very dead. As is his son (http://www.reuters.com/video/2011/10/21/body-of-gaddafis-son-displayed?videoId=223785002&videoChannel=117760).
That's not them it's their doubles!

[RadioRaheem84]

Why the hell does this matter. What's with this "great man" fetish. Thousands of nameless and ordinary Joe Bloggs lost their lives in this and other conflicts with not a mention anywhere. Stop playing by the agenda set by the capitalist media which makes a great song and dance about the happenings of our political leaders, celebrities and whatnot as if the world revolves around them. They only seem to stand tall because we perversely seek to remain on our knees and this leader obsession is yet another instance of that.

He's dead, but this post is just bullshit, no one is praising him as a great man.

Just because some of us are disgusted that the West has again taken over a nation using their hired Islamic fundamentalist goons, and even more repulsed by the nature in which they killed Gaddafi, doesn't mean we are licking Gaddafi's boots.

Get yer mind correct.

[Bardo]

Gaddafi is in a bunker with Hitler, JFK, Osama bin Laden, Michael Jackson and Kurt Cobain laughing at everyone who thinks he's dead.

[RadioRaheem84]

Don't forget Tupac, duh.

[Rooster]

Are you sure that's not just a photo shopped pic of Gene Simmons?

[Rafiq]

Gadaffi is dead, but the pic is 100% fake. This should be a wake up call not to be so gulible

[bcbm]

so they actually have his dead body, but decided to photoshop a picture on a lark?

[Agathor]

What was Ghaddafi's political leanings anyways? I know he was anti-west but he wasn't a marxist.

He was erratic, and certainly not consistently anti-west. He was initially a moderate nationalist: He modelled himself on Nassar. He built a network of people's councils and popular assemblies, and made sure that they had no real power. There was a program of moderate nationalisation, roughly comparable to that of Clement Atlee.

After America indicated that it was prepared to invade whatever disobedient oil-rich country it wanted, he filled his cabinet with pro-western reformists and changed from Nassar to Sadat. The nationalisations reversed, and Shell and BP signed exploration deals.

Libyans live somewhat better than most north African countries, though arguably worse than Tunisia, which is a French client state. Gadaffi was fond of money, and ransacking the national treasury became a matter of public policy. His son claimed that he was spending over a million dollars a day. Judging by the increasingly comical items being looted from his compound --golden Lamborghinis, for example -- he wasn't being hyperbolic.

Not a nice man.

[El Louton]

Guys, he's dead. No Conspiracy theories, he's dead.

[Decolonize The Left]

Now might be a good time to remember that after the US Marines supposedly killed Bin Laden, then sent his body out to sea rather than bring it back as proof of the action. I'm not saying anyone's dead or alive, or anyone lied or didn't, I'm just saying that you can't put it past our government.

That said, who cares? Whether or not he's dead is irrelevant, the material situation of Libya remains the same - now controlled by US interests.

- August

[GatesofLenin]

He started out preaching a Pan-Arabist Left-Nationalism similar to Gamal Abdul Nasser of Egypt, came to power through a coup d'etat, then slowly went crazy and eroded what coherent and applicable political foundation his party had in the first place. So he remained "anti-imperialist", but hardly did anything for the working people of the Middle East or the world besides make social service concessions with the national oil reserve revenue.


Also, the gaze and positioning of the two photos associated with each other in the OP are pointing in different directions. Just sayin'.

That's what I figured. Shame really, the guy could've been a genius and be smart and have a true democratic country but went kaput in the head.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Is it just me or does Gaddafi look like a zombie in these pictures?

[Seth]

Thats one hell of a wax dummy then.

[ZeroNowhere]

he is on an island with elvis and the kennedys sipping a cold drink.
Really? I thought I saw Elvis working at my local supermarket.

[RedGrunt]

Now might be a good time to remember that after the US Marines supposedly killed Bin Laden, then sent his body out to sea rather than bring it back as proof of the action. I'm not saying anyone's dead or alive, or anyone lied or didn't, I'm just saying that you can't put it past our government.

That said, who cares? Whether or not he's dead is irrelevant, the material situation of Libya remains the same - now controlled by US interests.

- August

You just might be onto something!

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08/06/afghan-president-31-americans-killed-in-helicopter-crash/

Cleaning house?

:laugh:

[Hiero]

Is it just me or does Gaddafi look like a zombie in these pictures?

Probally cause he is half dead, what do you think dying people look like? He had lost alot of blood making him look white and he had no energy.

[Princess Luna]

Here is a better picture of the body
WARNING GRAPHIC
http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2011/10/gaddafi_01.jpg