Telepathy works but where is scientific evidence?

[medistud6]

1. Vinko Rajic is talking about in his videos on YouTube that he can use telepathy all the time and 100% correct on few kilometer.
Uri Geller could give evidence for telepathy at Stanford University.

2. At Edinburgh University, experts conducted controlled experiments to see if telepathy is possible.
The Edinburgh University Koestler Lab could never confirm if telepathy works but they never did any experiment on Vinko Rajic
or Uri Geller, maybe they do not want to find that what are they looking for.


3. James Randi offer 1000000$ for any paranormal evidence, but Vinko and Uri can use telepathy or maybe NOT?

4. CIA's "remote viewing" , "Stargate Project", the ability to psychically "see" events, sites,
or information from a great distance.
Actually there is not evidence that this would be possible. Telepathic people like Vinko Rajic never know who is
sending to them. Human brains have not any number and is maybe impossible to know from which head you are receiving and to
which head you are sending. Theoretical this is impossible to localize someone on very long distance and connect it.

5. Grigori Rasputin , "the Mad Monk". There is evidence that he could use paranormal mind control.
Rasputin's influence over the royal family was used against him and the Romanovs by politicians and journalists who
wanted to weaken the integrity of the dynasty, force the Tsar to give up his absolute political power and separate the
Russian Orthodox Church from the state.
On November 19, 1916, Purishkevich made a rousing speech in the Duma, in which he stated,
"The tsar's ministers who have been turned into marionettes, marionettes whose threads have been taken firmly in hand by Rasputin
and the Empress Alexandra Fyodorovna , the evil genius of Russia and the tsaritsa .

6. What is Schizophrenia? Schneider's symptoms of the first rank:

- Audible thoughts
- Voices heard arguing
- Voices heard commenting on one’s actions
- The experience of influences playing on the body
- Thought withdrawal and other interference with thought
- Diffusion of thought
- Delusional perception
- Feelings, impulses and volitional acts experienced as the work or influence of others

Using telepathy you can create most of "Schneider's symptoms of the first rank" on Vinko Rajic.


Why they do not do research on Vinko Rajic or on some other telepath and publish that?
Also telepathy is possible???????????

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

1. Vinko Rajic is talking about in his videos on YouTube that he can use telepathy all the time and 100% correct on few kilometer.
Uri Geller could give evidence for telepathy at Stanford University.


Uri Geller is a charlatan, and it was not "Stanford University" that did those flawed tests. This Vinko Rajic too sounds like one of those nutbars.


5. Grigori Rasputin , "the Mad Monk". There is evidence that he could use paranormal mind control. Well to delusional wackjobs there's proof of everything from invisible atmospheric alien beings, orgasmic energies and feminising drinking water, that doesn't count for shit. I heard his penis was enormous.


Using telepathy you can create most of "Schneider's symptoms of the first rank" on Vinko Rajic.Most likely this Vinko Rajic character, who from your first paragraph appears to be some wacko on YouTube (a lot of those little crazies wanting their fifteen minutes of fame for telepathy, for using dowsing rods, whatever) is either manufacturing some rather bad lies or, maybe, he really has schizophrenia. Perhaps he should stop spewing nonsense on YouTube and hopefully be able to get some help managing his issues.

[Rooster]

What is/are the source(s) for all of these? :confused:

[The Jay]

It doesn't work and since I don't believe in magic I don't think that'll change.

[Decolonize The Left]

Also telepathy is possible???????????

Also, no.

- August

[LaHaine]

There is no such thing as magic or telepathy. Anyone who says they are a genuine telepathic is either lying or are so deluded that they believe it is actually real.

[Revolution starts with U]

I think a better way to ask it is:

Where is the scientific evidence that telepathy works?

... or any evidence at all for that matter.

[Blackscare]

Most likely this Vinko Rajic character, who from your first paragraph appears to be some wacko on YouTube (a lot of those little crazies wanting their fifteen minutes of fame for telepathy, for using dowsing rods, whatever) is either manufacturing some rather bad lies or, maybe, he really has schizophrenia. Perhaps he should stop spewing nonsense on YouTube and hopefully be able to get some help managing his issues.

I don't believe in telepathy or paranormal stuff, but I will say this. My father lived in Montana for years and talked about this dowsing rod stuff. Apparently in the phone book there are lots of ads for "water witches" as they're called. It's very common practice, someone wants a well, they call these people, hokus pokus they have a dig site which almost always has water. I'm more inclined to believe that there is some sort of physical phenomena at work than to think that it's magic, and I don't buy the idea that they're just charlatans because they don't do it for shock value or charge a lot of money, so I doubt they're just using some sort of map and pretending. It's a practical thing in some places that works, for whatever reason.

[Zostrianos]

There was a recent study published in a scientific journal that seems to indicate that precognition is possible, but replication attempts have failed:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/11/feeling-the-future-is-precognition-possible/

Most science papers don’t begin with a description of psi, those “anomalous processes of information or energy transfer” that have no material explanation. (Popular examples of psi include telepathy, clairvoyance and psychokinesis.) It’s even less common for a serious science paper, published in an elite journal, to show that psi is a real phenomenon. But that’s exactly what Daryl Bem (http://dbem.ws/) of Cornell University has demonstrated in his new paper, “Feeling the Future: Experimental Evidence for Anomalous Retroactive Influences on Cognition and Affect,” which was just published in The Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.
Bem’s experimental method was extremely straightforward. He took established psychological protocols, such as affective priming and recall facilitation, and reversed the sequence, so that the cause became the effect. For instance, he might show students a long list of words and ask them to remember as many as possible. Then, the students are told to type a selection of words which had been randomly selected from the same list. Here’s where things get really weird: the students were significantly better at recalling words that they would later type.
Or consider this experiment, which is a direct test of precognition. Bems provided the following instructions to subjects:
This is an experiment that tests for ESP. It takes about 20 minutes and is run completely by computer. First you will answer a couple of brief questions. Then, on each trial of the experiment, pictures of two curtains will appear on the screen side by side. One of them has a picture behind it; the other has a blank wall behind it. Your task is to click on the curtain that you feel has the picture behind it. The curtain will then open, permitting you to see if you selected the correct curtain. There will be 36 trials in all. Several of the pictures contain explicit erotic images (e.g., couples engaged in nonviolent but explicit consensual sexual acts). If you object to seeing such images, you should not participate in this experiment.
The location of the image was selected at random by the computer, which means that students should have correctly guessed the location of the pornography 50 percent of the time. However, it turned out that over 100 sessions, the subjects consistently performed above chance, and correctly located the porn 53.1 percent of the time. Interestingly, their hit rate on “non-erotic pictures” did not deviate from chance. (They found neutral pictures, for instance, 49.8 percent of the time.)
The power of Bem’s paper is cumulative. In total, he describes the results of nine different experiments, conducted on more than 1000 subjects. All of the experiments revealed slight yet statistically significant psi anomalies, with an average effect size of 0.21 across all experiments.
However, the real contribution of this paper isn’t even these statistically significant results. Instead, it’s Bem’s attempt to create rigorous, well-controlled tests of psi that can be replicated by independent investigators. Because here is the dirty secret of anomalous phenomena like telepathy and clairvoyance: They’ve been demonstrated dozens of times, often by reputable scientists. (Bem is an extremely well-respected psychologist, best known for his work on self-perception.) Why, then, do serious scientists dismiss the possibility of psi? Why do rational people assume that parapsychology is bullshit? Because these exciting results have consistently failed the test of replication.
And this is why Bem’s paper is so important: It provides the first testable framework for the investigation of anomalous psychological properties. Unlike most tests of psi or ESP, Bem’s research builds upon well-known experimental paradigms, and minimizes the contact between the experimenter and the subject. The data collection was automated and accurate; the paper passed peer-review. (Charles Judd, who oversaw the review process at JPSP, said: “This paper went through a series of reviews from some of our most trusted reviewers.”) Only time will tell if the data holds up. But at least time will tell us something. Bem ends the paper with a reference to Lewis Carroll:
Near the end of her encounter with the White Queen, Alice protests that “one can’t believe impossible things,” a sentiment with which the 34% of academic psychologists who consider psi to be impossible would surely agree. The White Queen famously retorted, “I daresay you haven’t had much practice. When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”
Also, Uri Geller is indeed a charlatan. He was tested a few times in the 70's, but the controls weren't rigorous. He was later exposed: whenever he was asked to bend spoons that were chosen by the testers (e.g. on the Tonight Show), his powers mysteriously failed, which seems to support the theory that he had spoons bent in advance which he then produced by sleight of hand to deceive his audience. Here is a video exposing him:

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[The Jay]

I don't believe in telepathy or paranormal stuff, but I will say this. My father lived in Montana for years and talked about this dowsing rod stuff. Apparently in the phone book there are lots of ads for "water witches" as they're called. It's very common practice, someone wants a well, they call these people, hokus pokus they have a dig site which almost always has water. I'm more inclined to believe that there is some sort of physical phenomena at work than to think that it's magic, and I don't buy the idea that they're just charlatans because they don't do it for shock value or charge a lot of money, so I doubt they're just using some sort of map and pretending. It's a practical thing in some places that works, for whatever reason.

They repeatedly fail double blind tests, so . . .

[Blackscare]

They repeatedly fail double blind tests, so . . .

Like I said, I'm not trying to point to a specific reason or cause, or whatever. All I'm saying is that there are places where they are used and that they're effective at what they do. I don't know anything else.

[Zealot]

I don't believe in telepathy or paranormal stuff, but I will say this. My father lived in Montana for years and talked about this dowsing rod stuff. Apparently in the phone book there are lots of ads for "water witches" as they're called. It's very common practice, someone wants a well, they call these people, hokus pokus they have a dig site which almost always has water. I'm more inclined to believe that there is some sort of physical phenomena at work than to think that it's magic, and I don't buy the idea that they're just charlatans because they don't do it for shock value or charge a lot of money, so I doubt they're just using some sort of map and pretending. It's a practical thing in some places that works, for whatever reason.

Countless controlled experiments have shown that dowsing is not much better than pure chance, in some it was even worse. Of course, the most simplest way to test this is having say 9 empty boxes and 1 with water in it. Let them do their dowsing a few times and we'll see what the result is. Dowsing is usually attributed to the ideomotor effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideomotor_effect) and the fact that since the majority of earth's surface is covered in water it's literally not surprising that it works some of the time.

[matevz91]

1. Vinko Rajic is talking about in his videos on YouTube that he can use telepathy all the time and 100% correct on few kilometer.
Uri Geller could give evidence for telepathy at Stanford University.

2. At Edinburgh University, experts conducted controlled experiments to see if telepathy is possible.
The Edinburgh University Koestler Lab could never confirm if telepathy works but they never did any experiment on Vinko Rajic
or Uri Geller, maybe they do not want to find that what are they looking for.


3. James Randi offer 1000000$ for any paranormal evidence, but Vinko and Uri can use telepathy or maybe NOT?

4. CIA's "remote viewing" , "Stargate Project", the ability to psychically "see" events, sites,
or information from a great distance.
Actually there is not evidence that this would be possible. Telepathic people like Vinko Rajic never know who is
sending to them. Human brains have not any number and is maybe impossible to know from which head you are receiving and to
which head you are sending. Theoretical this is impossible to localize someone on very long distance and connect it.

5. Grigori Rasputin , "the Mad Monk". There is evidence that he could use paranormal mind control.
Rasputin's influence over the royal family was used against him and the Romanovs by politicians and journalists who
wanted to weaken the integrity of the dynasty, force the Tsar to give up his absolute political power and separate the
Russian Orthodox Church from the state.
On November 19, 1916, Purishkevich made a rousing speech in the Duma, in which he stated,
"The tsar's ministers who have been turned into marionettes, marionettes whose threads have been taken firmly in hand by Rasputin
and the Empress Alexandra Fyodorovna , the evil genius of Russia and the tsaritsa .

6. What is Schizophrenia? Schneider's symptoms of the first rank:

- Audible thoughts
- Voices heard arguing
- Voices heard commenting on one’s actions
- The experience of influences playing on the body
- Thought withdrawal and other interference with thought
- Diffusion of thought
- Delusional perception
- Feelings, impulses and volitional acts experienced as the work or influence of others

Using telepathy you can create most of "Schneider's symptoms of the first rank" on Vinko Rajic.


Why they do not do research on Vinko Rajic or on some other telepath and publish that?
Also telepathy is possible???????????

Before you all leave with "this all is nonsense", google: Primary quantum model of telepathy, Gao Shan, Chinese Institute of Electronics and Institute of Quantum Physics, Beijing

(Btw I have posted the link to this pdf some time ago, but nobody seems to have noticed it... hmmm?)

Anyway, I will not repeat my views on telepathy and your non-belief in it. Why don`t you all stop believe into wireless communications, if this is magic?

[The Jay]

Why don`t you all stop believe into wireless communications, if this is magic?

I can prove the existence of radio waves for you if you like. I doubt that you can do the same for telepathy. This is coming from a physics major.

[matevz91]

I can prove the existence of radio waves for you if you like. I doubt that you can do the same for telepathy. This is coming from a physics major.

Can you then prove that the work of Gao Shan and his colleagues is a hoax?

[Q]

Quick note to most posters here: Just saying "that is bullshit" and "I don't believe in magic" is not a scientific approach, despite what you may think. Luckily there are also some more scientific-minded posters around, asking questions like "What is/are the source(s) for all of these?" (rooster: peer review, first hand sources to research) and "Can you then prove that the work of Gao Shan and his colleagues is a hoax?" (matevz91: falsification).

I don't believe in telepathy myself and so far all evidense I'm familiar with points to that it doesn't exist (although I never really digged into the subject). But that is not the point. The point is that in a subforum about Sciences and Environment one should expect a little more high level discussion.

As an aside: The topic title is misleading as the OP never presents any sources for the claim that "telepathy works". Could this be edited?

[Vanguard1917]

I don't believe in telepathy myself and so far all evidense I'm familiar with points to that it doesn't exist (although I never really digged into the subject). But that is not the point. The point is that in a subforum about Sciences and Environment one should expect a little more high level discussion.

Perhaps threads about magicians should be moved elsewhere then.

[Q]

Perhaps threads about magicians should be moved elsewhere then.

Thank you for completely missing the point, dear "scientific" person.

[Kenco Smooth]

Before you all leave with "this all is nonsense", google: Primary quantum model of telepathy, Gao Shan, Chinese Institute of Electronics and Institute of Quantum Physics, Beijing

(Btw I have posted the link to this pdf some time ago, but nobody seems to have noticed it... hmmm?)

Anyway, I will not repeat my views on telepathy and your non-belief in it. Why don`t you all stop believe into wireless communications, if this is magic?

Gave the Shan article a brief skim. Not going to try and deal with the physics of it as I'd simply make my ignorance on that front painfully obvious but you realise in this article there is no proof of telepathy? Experimental models are proposed but no research into the existence or non-existence of this phenomena was done. They point to other articles which they rather boldly claim clearly show telepathy to exist but the article itself has nothing to say here.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Like I said, I'm not trying to point to a specific reason or cause, or whatever. All I'm saying is that there are places where they are used and that they're effective at what they do. I don't know anything else.

Dowsing (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dowsing) isn't what most dowsers think (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/159/does-dowsing-for-water-really-work) it is. It really breaks down to a combination of luck, wishful thinking and perhaps some practical experience.