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Robocommie
19th October 2011, 05:58
http://www.salon.com/2011/10/18/voting_not_ows_will_save_america/singleton/


Voting, not OWS, will change America


A low progressive turnout in 2010 got us into this mess. We can't let that happen again

By Frank Viviano, New America Media


Take a close and objective look at the angry demonstrators now gathered on Wall Street, and at similar protest encampments burgeoning from San Francisco to Madrid. What you see is not simply a vast expression of rage at the crisis enveloping the world of democracy.

The demonstrations also frame a fundamental contradiction – a profound source of strength that has been transformed into a disabling weakness.

They deserve enormous credit for drawing a global spotlight to the perpetrators of that crisis: a sinister cabal of financial scamsters and right-wing politicians, backed by the dubiously “grass-roots” electorate of the Tea Party. What almost no one, on the right or left alike, wants to talk about is that the cabal was empowered by the very people who are now denouncing it.

Progressives, out of a mixture of political correctness and embarrassment, carefully avoid the subject. The Republicans are delighted at the silence, because it masks what should be fatal weaknesses in their own position.

It may not be pleasant to hear, but a massive Democratic voter cop-out in last year’s elections is what put the reactionary right in the driver’s seat, creating the disastrous logjam in Congress, and bringing to a dead halt the hyperactive first two years of the Obama administration.

Cop-out at the Polls

In 2008, more than 65 million Americans cast Democratic votes in congressional races, a 13 million-vote edge over the Republicans. In 2010, the Democratic vote plummeted to an abysmal 35 million, 6 million less than the GOP, which took decisive power in the House and paralyzed the Senate.

We think we know this story. But the truth is, we haven’t begun to absorb its full details and implications yet:

•The number of voters under 24 who bothered to go to the polls in 2010 dropped by a stupefying 60 percent, and those between 24 and 29 by almost 50 percent. Altogether, the participation of young people – who had been overwhelmingly pro-Obama in 2008 – declined by 11 million votes.
•Among over-65-year-olds, the core of the Tea Party movement, the voting numbers barely changed, from 17.6 million in 2008 to 17.5 million in 2010.
•The African-American vote fell by 40 percent, and the Hispanic vote by almost 30 percent.
•Among the mostly white voters who earn more than $200,000 per year, the turnout fell by a scant 5 percent, from 7 million to 6.5 million.
•Voting by those with annual incomes under $30,000 dropped by 33 percent, more than six times the figure for the affluent.

In effect, the abstainers turned a potential Democratic landslide into a full-scale collapse – with nightmarish consequences for civil rights, for the U.S. and world economies, and for social programs that range across the board from healthcare and educational funding to employment programs, pension benefits and the sagging national infrastructure.

It was a dream come true for the radical right, the sworn enemies of all public services. Their vote, measured at exit polls asking whether government was too intrusive, scarcely changed between the two elections, dropping from 50 million to 47 million.

At the same time, the number of voters believing that government should do more for its citizens – the central plank of the progressive platform – sunk from 60 million to 32 million, a staggering 47 percent slide.

These are astronomical, game-changing numbers. It makes no sense to argue that the Democratic voting collapse was a matter of demoralization. Decisions on whether to go to the polls were made by the early autumn of 2010, just 20 months into an Obama administration that had pushed through what many analysts regard as the most ambitious legislative agenda in modern U.S. history.

Half a century ago, Martin Luther King and Cesar Chavez understood that genuine change could only be achieved through long-term, patient struggle – and that the prize, in King’s famous words, was full access to the nation’s key institutions, notably the ballot box and the governing seats it fills.

The leaders and foot soldiers of the civil rights era fought with unflagging commitment, and King himself was martyred, in a two-decade campaign for the voting privileges that 2010 abstainers dismissed as unworthy of an hour’s time on a single Tuesday in November. The Wall Street demonstrators are now debating an even broader boycott of the 2012 presidential election.

Yet if two-thirds of the 28 million progressive stay-at-homes had gone to the polls last year, the U.S. Congress today would be in the hands of a solid Democratic majority beholden to liberal votes.

I want to make it clear that I think the writer's tone is insipidly naive and shows a slavishness to conventional, old school liberal thought that I think is wholly unproductive. Nevertheless, this is one of the most crucial points that must be fought over for OWS. A lot of liberals, from the centre-left to the most progressive left-wing varieties, want to see the rage being expressed by the OWS movement translated into votes for progressive candidates. The argument is that by not doing so, it hands all of the real influence - much of the access of which has been fought for by previous generations of activists - over to the right by default.

Here's my question, which I hope will start a good and thought provoking discussion on Revleft. Given that the far left typically sees voting as a further endorsement of a corrupt system and giving in to playing by the rules set down by the bourgeoisie, what are the best tactics for the energies of OWS to turn to instead?

Also, what is the best way to confront this liberal argument that it is votes, not demonstrations and other militant tactics, that will bring progressive change to America?

Keep in mind that I am not referring to socialist revolution in this case. I think we all understand why votes cannot accomplish that. Instead, I am referring to what limited gains the working class could possibly gain through reformism, with an eye towards building confidence and class consciousness.

socialistjustin
19th October 2011, 09:12
The best way to argue against this claim is to point out the lack of progressive change after Obama was elected. Remember, most liberals and young people thought that it truly was morning in America after they elected him and they got screwed with a shit healthcare bill, new wars, cuts to social programs and a rising unemployment rate. Voting worked real well then.

Franz Fanonipants
19th October 2011, 18:23
I usually counter it by attempting to connect the inability for democratic process to really exist alongside capital. Usually you can get the average American to agree that, shit yeah, there's too much private money in what's presumably a question of public leadership.

The Idler
19th October 2011, 18:42
Maybe the revolution will involve voting?

Lucretia
19th October 2011, 20:11
http://www.salon.com/2011/10/18/voting_not_ows_will_save_america/singleton/



I want to make it clear that I think the writer's tone is insipidly naive and shows a slavishness to conventional, old school liberal thought that I think is wholly unproductive. Nevertheless, this is one of the most crucial points that must be fought over for OWS. A lot of liberals, from the centre-left to the most progressive left-wing varieties, want to see the rage being expressed by the OWS movement translated into votes for progressive candidates. The argument is that by not doing so, it hands all of the real influence - much of the access of which has been fought for by previous generations of activists - over to the right by default.

Here's my question, which I hope will start a good and thought provoking discussion on Revleft. Given that the far left typically sees voting as a further endorsement of a corrupt system and giving in to playing by the rules set down by the bourgeoisie, what are the best tactics for the energies of OWS to turn to instead?

Also, what is the best way to confront this liberal argument that it is votes, not demonstrations and other militant tactics, that will bring progressive change to America?

Keep in mind that I am not referring to socialist revolution in this case. I think we all understand why votes cannot accomplish that. Instead, I am referring to what limited gains the working class could possibly gain through reformism, with an eye towards building confidence and class consciousness.

The problem isn't with voting per se, its with the illusion that voting will change a damn thing that matters to these protesters. Most of you are probably to young to remember this, but the same arguments about how the protestors are just apolitical kids acting up are literally, word for word in many cases, the exact same arguments that were made about SDS and radical left grassroots activists during the 1960s.

Influence is channeled through the state, but it does not originate with the state. This is the key point Marx made with his metaphor of base and superstructure. The second you begin to try to acquire influence by simply jumping into electoral politics, without addressing the class forces that shape electoral politics from the outside, you've already lost.

Os Cangaceiros
19th October 2011, 20:30
Here's my question, which I hope will start a good and thought provoking discussion on Revleft. Given that the far left typically sees voting as a further endorsement of a corrupt system and giving in to playing by the rules set down by the bourgeoisie, what are the best tactics for the energies of OWS to turn to instead?

I think that the goal of the "occupy movement" should be to lay the most basic of foundations towards an international solidarity network for workers and the youth. To make struggle transcend borders, and make people see the commonality they share with others based on their economic conditions.

A month ago there would be no way in hell I'd think that OWS could tap into something like that, to me it seemed like a left-liberal stunt, but I admit that what they've accomplished is pretty impressive, IMO.


Also, what is the best way to confront this liberal argument that it is votes, not demonstrations and other militant tactics, that will bring progressive change to America?

Record numbers of immigrants being deported, a huge cash injection to the very people who played a large role in the crisis we're experiencing today, a nice guaranteed profit program for the insurance industry (and a nice unfunded Medicare drug subsidy for the pharmaceutical industry), and the deployment of military force in Libya, Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia, Uganda (as well as the continued occupation of Iraq & Afghanistan). Oh, and he tucked his tail in between his legs and ran when the debt ceiling debate happened. That's our wonderful hope and change president!

The idea that voting in the electoral process we have now changes anything fundamental about the country we live in (and that IS our goal) doesn't really seem worth addressing.


Half a century ago, Martin Luther King and Cesar Chavez understood that genuine change could only be achieved through long-term, patient struggle – and that the prize, in King’s famous words, was full access to the nation’s key institutions, notably the ballot box and the governing seats it fills.

The leaders and foot soldiers of the civil rights era fought with unflagging commitment, and King himself was martyred, in a two-decade campaign for the voting privileges that 2010 abstainers dismissed as unworthy of an hour’s time on a single Tuesday in November. The Wall Street demonstrators are now debating an even broader boycott of the 2012 presidential election.

Here's another civil rights figure, speaking on the supposed progressive influence of women's suffrage, which was fought tooth-and-nail for:


As if women have not sold their votes, as if women politicians cannot be bought!

bcbm
19th October 2011, 20:34
well voting got us this far...

Rafiq
19th October 2011, 20:49
Martin Luther King? Caesar Chavez? Were about as successful as my ass.

The Idler
19th October 2011, 21:23
Eugene V. Debs?

DaringMehring
19th October 2011, 22:31
The author is a partisan hack.

The midterm elections of 2010 "were what got us into this mess?" How about a reality check. The economic collapse was in 2008.

The midterm elections of 2010 brought the "hyperactive first two years" of Obama to a "dead halt?" Hyperactive in what, fighting wars?

We need to get congress in the hands of "solid liberals?" That was 2008-2010, look where we are now.

Bourgeois politicians are worthless.

the last donut of the night
20th October 2011, 00:05
yet again when liberals realize their political plans are doomed to fail, they turn to blame the masses (ie. workers) for the fact that their leaders up in washington have no problem working with the right-wing. fucking dicks

Vladimir Innit Lenin
20th October 2011, 22:41
Vote for change...by voting for the incumbent.

Awful, awful logic, and disingenuous at that.

rundontwalk
20th October 2011, 23:02
Voting in combination with direct action will change America. (There really are some good things that could come about from voting,working in, and reforming, the system, for instance the institution of multi-party democracy would give Socialists much more a voice in the halls of power.)

But for the love of God don't vote for Democrats. :D

Die Neue Zeit
21st October 2011, 06:19
Maybe the revolution will involve voting?

If it's exclusive of membership, I'm skeptical.

Commissar Rykov
21st October 2011, 06:23
I had this argument with fellows in my Occupy group and they though I was being a downer by telling them just voting for anyone who isn't an incumbent won't change shit. I still stand by that fact. The reality is nothing is really going to improve or change while capitalism and the bourgeoisie maintain their monopoly of society and the means of production. I mean sure I wish shit could be fixed by voting but reality doesn't even support that Liberal Hypothesis.

MattShizzle
22nd October 2011, 18:47
Voting for Democrats (if they win) will make things a LITTLE better than if Republicans are in but at least for now no real Leftist party has a chance. In fact, I'd believe right now in the US a far-RIGHT 3rd party would be more likely - which would really be bad.

CAleftist
22nd October 2011, 23:53
Just like it "changed" America in 2008, eh?