View Full Version : how would you organize revolution?
Red Rosa
18th October 2011, 22:09
Roughly, of course. There are things we can't predict.
eyeheartlenin
19th October 2011, 04:23
Well, the Greek workers have multiple general strikes every year, in defense of the gains they won previously, like retirement, so one clue, I would think, is that every worker, without exception, needs to be organized into a union, and the unions need to be organized into confederations, so that, in the event of a bosses' or government (or combined) attack on the workers' standard of living, the union confederations can strike together, bringing the big battalions of the proletariat out of the factories and into the streets, to shut down the society.
Obviously, at some point, there is the possibility that workers may decide to go all the way, to organize their own emancipation, via their mass organizations, which have been exemplary so far. All that is needed, given massive unionization of our class (as in Greece), is some decent leadership. I couldn't be more specific than that, without sounding dogmatic, so I think I will quit there, in hopes that someone else will answer the question in the initial post.
Tommy4ever
19th October 2011, 10:02
You can't really.
citizen of industry
19th October 2011, 10:09
Well, the Greek workers have multiple general strikes every year, in defense of the gains they won previously, like retirement, so one clue, I would think, is that every worker, without exception, needs to be organized into a union, and the unions need to be organized into confederations, so that, in the event of a bosses' or government (or combined) attack on the workers' standard of living, the union confederations can strike together, bringing the big battalions of the proletariat out of the factories and into the streets, to shut down the society.
Obviously, at some point, there is the possibility that workers may decide to go all the way, to organize their own emancipation, via their mass organizations, which have been exemplary so far. All that is needed, given massive unionization of our class (as in Greece), is some decent leadership. I couldn't be more specific than that, without sounding dogmatic, so I think I will quit there, in hopes that someone else will answer the question in the initial post.
I agree with this, but at the same time it is a big challenge in countries like the US or Japan with unionization rates down to 12% or so of the workforce, which is mainly in unorganized retail, office etc. As economic conditions worsen, I'd also allow the possibility of a mass party forming, without massive unionization of our class.
Red Rosa
19th October 2011, 13:05
You can't really.
Why?
Rusty Shackleford
19th October 2011, 16:57
By not just trying to do 'fun' protest stuff but also doing a bunch of seemingly tedious stuff as well.
Tim Cornelis
19th October 2011, 17:06
General strikes are futile if you're not going to seize factories and workplaces.
Apply the "Argentinian model" of 2001 more broadly, seize factories and workplaces while simultaneously organising popular assemblies. If this is done society-wide it will come to replace the old system.
Delenda Carthago
19th October 2011, 17:22
You need to organise the struggle bit by bit. You need to organise so your propaganda can be reached by the biggest amount of people, you need to organise your economical(union) struggle and this will find an expresion through its political tools(party maybe?). Thats the first steps.
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