Suarez vs Evra

[Manic Impressive]

An alleged racial slur has embroiled two of England's top football clubs. During a October 14, 2011 match between Liverpool and Manchester United, Liverpool's Luis Suarez of using a racial slur against Patrick Evra, a French football of African descent.

What Did Suarez Say to Evra?

According to Evra, Suarez called him a "nigger" at least "10 times.

Suarez has adamantly denied the accusation, writing on his Facebook page: "I'm upset by the acusations of racism. I can only say that I have always respected and respect everybody. We are all the same. I go to the field with the maximum illusion of a little child who enjoys what he does, not to create conflicts." The Luis Suarez-Patrice Evra controversy pits two of the world's biggest football clubs in a game of he-said/he-said.

United coach Alex Ferguson has expressed support outrage at Suarez's alleged comments while Liverpool says they believe the Uruguayan international's claim that he did not use the "N"-word in reference to Evra.

A report in the Daily Mail notes that there doesn't appear to be any Luis Suarez video footage that backs Evra's claims. The Man U-Liverpool match was one of the biggest of the season and there would have been several cameras covering the game from every angle. If Suarez had used a racial slur, it likely would have been captured by cameras.
The paper also notes that the referee did not hear any racial insults. If he had, the offending player would have been issued a red card.

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Liverpool have accepted Suárez's version of events and, given the potential repercussions for their striker if Evra's allegations are proven, believe the France international should have a disciplinary case to answer if allegations of this magnitude are dropped.

In 2008 Evra was at the centre of accusations that he was racially abused by a groundsman at Chelsea while warming down. But an FA hearing into the allegation – which was made by a Manchester United employee – found that it was not proven. Evra was subsequently banned for four games and fined £15,000 for his part in the post-match altercation with the groundsman. The controversy comes at a particularly bad time given that Saturday's match launched Kick It Out's three-week "One Game, One Community" action programme, with players from both sides wearing anti-racism T-shirts, and every manager through the leagues wearing one of the organisation's badges.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/oct/16/liverpool-patrice-evra-luis-suarez?newsfeed=true

Thoughts?

[RedAnarchist]

As a Liverpool fan, I was watching the match on television, and I have to say, Evra did looked pissed off at Suarez a few times. Suarez is a known and admitted cheat who once bit someone whilst playing in the Dutch league, but I don't know if he is a racist or not. If he is, then he deserves a long ban and I know many fans will not want him to continue playing in the Premiership.

[Manic Impressive]

true that. I didn't realise he bit someone....that's kind of funny....but also not. I found the call for Evra to be punished if the accusation is not proven a little strange and worrying. Just because something isn't proven doesn't mean the person making the accusation should be punished, it's a little strange that Liverpool would call for that.

[pax et aequalitas]

Yeah he bit someone and did a whole load of other stuff as well aas far as I can recall. I don't watch sports really, but I sometimes read sports-stuff in the newspaper and he was surprisingly often in there with some kind of controversy.

[Wanted Man]

It is no secret that Suárez is a bit of a bastard; or rather, he's simply an extremely competitive kind of player. In the Dutch league, an opponent once mentioned in an interview how Suárez would constantly taunt and insult him during the game. We also all know about his tendency to dive, the handball against Ghana, the biting incident, his fights with teammates, the little middle finger to Feyenoord, etc.

Of course, another fact that everyone knows is that every manager would dream to have a player like that who wants to win at all costs, who keeps going and going no matter the circumstances. All these negative characteristics of his only exist when you're a supporter of the opposing side.

Is he a racist? It seems typical of him to say all sorts of things to opponents to disorient them, but I don't know if "nigger" is one of them. If they can't prove it, then what exactly do they expect to achieve?


As a Liverpool fan, I was watching the match on television, and I have to say, Evra did looked pissed off at Suarez a few times. Suarez is a known and admitted cheat who once bit someone whilst playing in the Dutch league, but I don't know if he is a racist or not. If he is, then he deserves a long ban and I know many fans will not want him to continue playing in the Premiership.

Really? I'm willing to bet that the vast majority won't care.

[RedAnarchist]

Really? I'm willing to bet that the vast majority won't care.

I think it depends. Some will definitely care.

[Devrim]

Really? I'm willing to bet that the vast majority won't care.

I think that Suárez should receive a lengthy ban. However, this is purely based on my dislike of Liverpool Football Club, the fact that he is certainly their most effective attacking player, and the amusement I would get from listening to Dalglish trying to justify why he spent £35M on a donkey.

It has nothing at all to do with politics.

Devrim

[RedAnarchist]

I think that Suárez should receive a lengthy ban. However, this is purely based on my dislike of Liverpool Football Club, the fact that he is certainly their most effective attacking player, and the amusement I would get from listening to Dalglish trying to justify why he spent £35M on a donkey.

It has nothing at all to do with politics.

Devrim

It was Carroll that cost that much, Suarez cost about £22m. Either way, both amounts are obscene.

Why do you dislike Liverpool?

[Devrim]

It was Carroll that cost that much, Suarez cost about £22m. Either way, both amounts are obscene.

That is what I meant. If Suárez is banned Carroll might have to play, and we would see how limited a player he is.


Why do you dislike Liverpool?

I was a LMTB holder at Old Trafford in the 1970s and 80s*, and for part of that time I lived in one of the slum overspill towns in Cheshire, which was mostly populated by scousers.

Devrim

*Actually I still am technically, but a friend of mine uses it and pays for it.

[Wanted Man]

I think it depends. Some will definitely care.

Of course some will care, but will it matter? I'm sure there are some people still writing angry letters to daily newspapers everyday about how English football is full of players who have been convicted of assault, have thrown darts at youth players, been charged with racially-motivated violence, have pursued gagging orders to prevent news media from publicising their infidelities, have kicked and punched fans (and still proclaiming it as a great moment years after), etc. etc., but what difference does it make? Many of them are crowd favourites to this day.

Without endorsing any of these things, it's safe enough to say that none of them are reason enough to "not want him to continue playing in the Premiership", and the same will go for Suárez, even if he might get a match ban for some time.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Well, there's no point guessing, none of us know what was/wasn't said.

Both of them strike me as nasty pieces of work, so I don't know what to believe and, actually, I really don't give a fuck. I imagine it's not as clear cut as either of them are making out.