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tradeunionsupporter
18th October 2011, 01:44
As a Person who does not believe in any Afterlife or Heaven after Death after this Life. I think we as People as Humans should try to make this life Heaven a Heaven on Earth in my view Heaven and Hell are states of mind in this life on this Planet Earth many Religions teach no Afterlife but do teach Heaven is a state of mind.


What is Atheism?

“Your petitioners are atheists and they define their beliefs as follows. An atheist loves his fellow man instead of god. An atheist believes that heaven is something for which we should work now – here on earth for all men together to enjoy.

http://www.atheists.org/atheism


Q: What do you think happens to you when you die?
A: Just in case there are any misconceptions about this, most serious atheists don't believe in reincarnation or spirits any more than we believe in hell. What defines "you" is what you think and feel, and how you interact with the universe. When this stops happening, you're not you anymore. So you simply stop existing.
If this idea scares you, think about all the millions of years that passed before you were born. Do you remember it? Was that scary? Interestingly enough, the fate that Christians find so inconceivable -- complete nonexistence -- is regarded by Buddhists as the best possible outcome for your life ("Nirvana").
Some people take this a step further and argue this way: "The first law of thermodynamics says that matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed. Since life is a form of energy, it must go somewhere." We don't see life as a self-contained form of energy. It's more of a process that matter and energy goes through. Some people find this idea disturbing. They really want to be around forever. We all would. But realizing that you won't be around forever makes this life seem more valuable in a way. Since you only get one shot, it's important to do the best you can to be happy and make others happy before you're done.

http://www.atheist-community.org/faq/

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<H1>What do Christian Scientists believe about heaven and hell?


Not as places or as part of an afterlife, but certainly as a state of mind. Christian Science theology does not include a final judgment day. Every day each individual can make a new choice that determines the path he or she is on—a path away from God or towards Him.

http://www.quora.com/Christian-Science/What-do-Christian-Scientists-believe-about-heaven-and-hell (http://www.scienceofminduk.org/believe_faq.html)


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What does Unity teach about sin and salvation, heaven and hell? (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#sin)
Sin is our separation from God, the Good, in consciousness. Salvation is now--not something that occurs after death. It happens whenever we turn our thoughts from fear, anxiety, worry, and doubt to thoughts of love, harmony, joy, and peace. The "fall" takes place in consciousness whenever we fall into negative habits of thinking. Heaven and hell are states of consciousness, not geographical locations. We make our own heaven or hell here and now by our thoughts, words, and deeds

[URL]http://unity.org/aboutunity/whoWeAre/faq.html

tradeunionsupporter
18th October 2011, 10:58
Message to the Blackman
PROGRAM AND POSITION
CHAPTER 74
WHAT DO THE MUSLIMS WANT?

5. We believe in the resurrection of the dead -- not in physical resurrection but mental resurrection. We believe that the so-called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore, they will be resurrected first.

http://www.seventhfam.com/temple/books/black_man/blk74.htm

Message to the Blackman

CHAPTER 75
EXPLANATION OF WHAT MUSLIMS WANT AND BELIEVE

24 There is no such thing as dying and coming up out of the earth, meeting your friends and meeting those who died before you. I say, get out of such slavery teachings. It keeps you blind, deaf and dumb to reality. Get out of it, for if you depend on such, you will not believe in yourself. When you are dead, you are DEAD. I have proof of that. Do you have proof of that which you say -- they will come back? No! I say to you my friend, the mentally dead are awakening. Your slave-masters have deceived you. They want you to remain deceived.

http://www.seventhfam.com/temple/books/black_man/blk75.htm

Message to the Blackman
CHAPTER 132
THE HEREAFTER

6 The life in the hereafter is an image of the spiritual state in this life. Just think how good you feel when in the Divine Spirit for awhile. You are so happy that you don=t feel even the pain of sickness, no trouble or sorrow, and that is the way you will feel always in the next life.

http://www.seventhfam.com/temple/books/black_man/blk132.htm

ComradeMan
18th October 2011, 13:28
What exactly is the question here?

dodger
18th October 2011, 14:21
"The rich man in his castle,
The poor man at his gate,
God made them high or lowly,
And ordered their estate."

ALL THINGS BRIGHT and BEAUTIFUL !!!!!!........THE "LOST" VERSE RARELY SUNG THESE DAYS!!
One of the most important native English heresies was the idea that when a person died that was it, they died. Or in a milder form, their soul slept until humanity arose from the condition of exploitation. Either way, the English tradition of appreciating that all things die was profoundly revolutionary, and always linked to the struggle for social change, science and culture.
To say when you're dead, you're dead, challenges all religious ideas of whatever denomination. It represents the beginning of fighting for a decent collective life on earth.

Mortalism was a long-standing intellectual tradition in England that gained a simple expression at the time the first trade unions were born. William Blake wrote in The Everlasting Gospel, around 1810: "Thou art a man: God is no more: Thy own humanity learn to adore."

Where did it come from?
But more interestingly where did it come from in the first place? It was a humanist tradition, which stemmed from the survivors of defeated peasant rebellions of the 1380s who recognised that the struggle to improve things on this earth was the primary thing and any illusion that there was another world to fight for was daft. This was especially sharp in their minds as they had seen monarchy and Church, believers in this other world, disembowel their fellow rebels.

Around the same time, a group called the Lollards, interestingly one of the first to respect women's democratic political contributions, was also one of the first to disseminate this simple idea. Humanity, not divinity, forced its way onto the agenda through them and many other craftsmen and enlightened peasants who had endured the mud and superstition. Instead of rewards and punishments bestowed by the church, society was really controlled by the consciences of people. The Muggletonians, who arose in the aftermath of the English Civil war and were also knows as radical Puritan, in particularly, extended the logic of the death of the afterlife into all aspects of morality and behaviour. In so doing, they paved the philosophical way for English materialism.

At death the body returns to the elements, hence no such thing as heaven, purgatory, or hell. This thinking laid the basis of opposition to Catholicism, and was also essentially scientific. The Bible, once a source of external control, could then be made into poetry, an allegory, an account in reality of human beings and their beliefs, rather than a creed or a dogma.

Many woodcuts survive from the medieval period called The Dance of Death. The most famous sequence is by Holbein. What you should look out for are firstly those sequences which try and frighten you by the thought of death to make you "obey the priests and the Church or when you die you will go to hell", and on the other hand those sequences which depict death as a liberated happy character levelling the rich and undermining existing social hierarchies. One tradition stems from the feudal ruling class and its clergy; the other comes from the feudal socialist tradition.

One early expression of this thinking would be the opposition to church marriage. The most precious bond of social relations would be formed in a civil, non-religious ceremony. People came together in the eyes of friends and society not in the eyes of non-existent gods. The poor old Church of England has been seeking to recoup the ground, and donations to the offertory, ever since.

Interestingly, a sect that combined such views was called the Familists, early dissenters who arose in the mid-1550s. . Remember, throughout the period, people holding such views, were hideously tortured in the name of God. There was about a 400-year Inquisition in England, Scotland and Wales with thousands of progressive people being slaughtered for their views.

The trends called humanism, the Reformation and then the Enlightenment, were pale reflections of deep-seated and forcefully revolutionary ideas. A few fanatics apart, who really believes God created the earth and who really believes that there is a heaven and a hell?
when yer dead .....YER DEAD !!!!!!!!!!!
Though Wifey had a recurring dream....unburdening herself....her dear PA a protestant minister, long dead...had spoken to her. He told her he was drowning..humouring her , I TOLD HER TO CHECK UP ON HIM, knowing She(I) would have no peace until matter resolved! Off she went , on digging down found the remains in 'bout 3 ft of water. She jumped down and gathered up all the bones that remained...and duly took him to higher ground and reburied, interred. All bros and sisters exclaimed what good fortune Wifey 'listened' to PA... no more dreams......! He is now truly at rest. On hearing my wish was to be cremated...they asked where my ashes were to be paced. I told them to scatter the ashes from the roller coaster ride, that visits each year! Sour looks...but the teens said "WAY TO GO!!" and volunteered eagerly for the task....if I was paying. :(

Here, Mindanao, the Catholic cemeteries at All Souls...have a festive air..picnics, card games, Tanduay, singing...though the spoilsports here have banned guns and knives! Seems the dead always leave loose ends......unfinished business.

Nox
18th October 2011, 14:24
As a person who does not believe in an afterlife, what happens when you die?

I don't know, I'll wait and find out.

I don't need to know the answer to everything right now.

tradeunionsupporter
18th October 2011, 15:14
The question is would you agree that this life this world is the only Heaven we have ?

Revolution starts with U
18th October 2011, 18:44
I would agree that this world is the only meaningful heaven to people in this world.
I cannot say with absolute certainty there is no afterlife. But I can say with absolute certainty that any guess at what the afterlife is, or how to get there, is just that; a guess. It literally should have NO bearing on your decisions as a material being.