Snoop Dogg needs his money for fried chicken

[blackandyellow]

:blink:"Immigration officials should all be warned he needs all that cash for fried chicken. For a skinny bloke, he really puts it away."

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/3876180/Snoop-Doog-is-collared-for-cash.html

:mellow:

wow

[Commissar Rykov]

Wow that was racist as fuck.

[tir1944]

Why?

[Commissar Rykov]

Why?
Why what?

[tir1944]

Why what?
Why is it racist i mean?
Sorry i'm not a Westerner so i don't understand some western references etc...

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

No serious British person should ever do anything but avoid The Sun. That paper's role in the Hillsborough disaster should be enough to condemn it to the dustbin of history.

The article is racist.

Snoop Dogg, however, is a fucking vile idiot.

I love Fried Chicken.

That's the extent of my non-chronologically arranged thoughts on this topic.

[Commissar Rykov]

Why is it racist i mean?
Sorry i'm not a Westerner so i don't understand some western references etc...
That is what I wanted to make sure about I didn't know if you were saying why did they do the article of if you were confused by the reference as I assumed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_African_Americans

[khad]

Why is it racist i mean?
Sorry i'm not a Westerner so i don't understand some western references etc...

From wiki:

Since the American Civil War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War), traditional slave foods like fried chicken, watermelon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon), and chitterlings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chitterlings) have suffered a strong association with African American stereotypes and blackface (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface) minstrelsy.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] This was commercialized for the first half of the 20th century by restaurants like Sambo's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambo%27s) and Coon Chicken Inn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coon_Chicken_Inn), which selected exaggerated depictions of blacks as mascots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mascot), implying quality by their association with the stereotype.

[Princess Luna]

Wait what??????? Did I just misread that?
*wipes glasses off*
I don't care how racist the editors or staff is, no one can be stupid enough to print something like that in a mainstream (I.E. non-far-right) newspaper. They must have heard the saying "any publicity is good publicity" and took it seriously...

[Ocean Seal]

All I had to look at were the stories that they were diligently covering on the right to know the quality of the paper."Harper Beckam is up for the sup".

[Zostrianos]

What else do you expect from a right-wing tabloid rag like the Sun?

[Manic Impressive]

Personally I had no idea that there are racist historical connections between african american slaves and fried chicken. You got to remember our history isn't your history and things don't have quite the same implications here as they do there. Like for instance how many Americans know about the connection of racism and marmalade?
But yeah the article is still racist without the historical connotations and fuck the sun newspaper for ever, oh and fuck snoop dogg too, fucking royalist arse licking scum.

[black magick hustla]

Snoop Dogg, however, is a fucking vile idiot.


how is he an idiot? there is this ridiculous agression in this forum against mainstream hip hop icons. he is just some motherfucker with tons of money and acts like any other dude in this class society with tons of money. honestly, the way people talk about hip hop culture here makes me think that the forum is a tad bit racist

[Tim Cornelis]

how is he an idiot? there is this ridiculous agression in this forum against mainstream hip hop icons. he is just some motherfucker with tons of money and acts like any other dude in this class society with tons of money.

He's a member of the racist anti-semitic Nation of Islam.


honestly, the way people talk about hip hop culture here makes me think that the forum is a tad bit racist

Implying hip hop is necessarily a black subculture :/

[Manic Impressive]

how is he an idiot? there is this ridiculous agression in this forum against mainstream hip hop icons. he is just some motherfucker with tons of money and acts like any other dude in this class society with tons of money. honestly, the way people talk about hip hop culture here makes me think that the forum is a tad bit racist
http://shesomajor.com/2010/12/02/snoop-dogg-commissioned-by-the-royal-family-for-prince-williams-wedding/

http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/royal_family/Prince+Harry-55096.html

Royalist scum fuck him and anyone else who cow tows to the royal family and the establishment. If I were a black man I might be inclined to imply that he was my fathers brother named thomas, but I'm not so I won't

[RedAnarchist]

It's a Murdoch-owned (that should tell you everything) shitstain of a newspaper that is basically an attempt by News International to have some sort of working-class Daily Mail.

[blackandyellow]

I know the Sun will regularly post some stupid story about immigration, or Muslim terrorists. But this seems way over the top to what they usually write. Is it possible the writers did not understand the full connotations? Or that the writer did, but his editers did not? Also much of their readership who are middle aged and live in middle England (i.e. they have no idea about black culture, or rather the stereotypes of it), probably will not get the reference either. This all seems really strange.

[Devrim]

I know the Sun will regularly post some stupid story about immigration, or Muslim terrorists. But this seems way over the top to what they usually write. Is it possible the writers did not understand the full connotations? Or that the writer did, but his editers did not? Also much of their readership who are middle aged and live in middle England (i.e. they have no idea about black culture, or rather the stereotypes of it), probably will not get the reference either. This all seems really strange.

I wouldn't have understood it as a racist reference, and I would imagine that quite a large majority of the readers of the Sun, and quite possibly the journalist wouldn't either.

If I had just looked at it without people saying it was racist, I would have just taken it as a reference to Americans and fast food. There is also a link on the same page to a story about him ordering food from McDonalds and Nando's (a Portugese fried chicken chain).:


SNOOP Dogg must have had enough of chomping on carrots and celery.
The rapper, who believes eating veg keeps him young, has quit the crudites now he's in London.

At a shoot for an Adidas commercial with triple jumper Phillips Idowu on Saturday, Snoop's only rider request was a £100 order of McDonald's.

That's a lot of Happy Meal toys.

A few hours later, at the Lovebox festival in the capital, Snoop had a whole Nando's restaurant put in the area he had reserved backstage so he could feast all night.

I guess the beanpole star can afford to put away a few spicy chicken wings.

Lots of things about racism are cultural, and though the writer could be making a veiled racist reference, it could be completely innocent.

If somebody were to make a reference to people blowing out candles, I would think it was a shocking thing to say whereas you might think it was a reference to a birthday party.

By the way, I think you are wrong about the demographics of the Sun's readership too.

Devrim

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

I know the Sun will regularly post some stupid story about immigration, or Muslim terrorists. But this seems way over the top to what they usually write. Is it possible the writers did not understand the full connotations? Or that the writer did, but his editers did not? Also much of their readership who are middle aged and live in middle England (i.e. they have no idea about black culture, or rather the stereotypes of it), probably will not get the reference either. This all seems really strange.

I thought most of the sun's readership were working class.

Possibly your confusing them with the more upscale mail?

[RadioRaheem84]

Why do white people in America act like they don't like fried chicken and watermelon?

I'm from Texas, I've see white country boys devour watermelon, just take it to the head!

Why are American white people always making fun of other through their food? Beaners? Rice eater?

White people love Mexican food.......

[El Louton]

It's a Murdoch-owned (that should tell you everything) shitstain of a newspaper that is basically an attempt by News International to have some sort of working-class Daily Mail.

I hate that man.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Why do white people in America act like they don't like fried chicken and watermelon?

I'm from Texas, I've see white country boys devour watermelon, just take it to the head!

Why are American white people always making fun of other through their food? Beaners? Rice eater?

White people love Mexican food.......

I never understood this either. I love asian foods, spanish foods, carribean foods, etc ... Pupusas are fucking heavenly.

[blackandyellow]

I thought most of the sun's readership were working class.

Possibly your confusing them with the more upscale mail?

middle england refers to class? i always though it refers to people from outside London or major cities.

I guess i meant middle aged people from outside London (not that plenty of people in london dont read it)


btw Devrim, what would a blowing out a candle reference mean in Turkey?

[bricolage]

I agree that it’s cultural but also geographically different within cultural areas as well as generational. So I dunno how true this is but I was under the impression the spread of chicken shops to the UK was relatively recent, I’ve had a quick look about and the first KFC was in Preston in 1965 but, for example, Morley’s didn’t start until 1985 and Chicken Cottage in 1994. In any case I don’t think it has any cultural meaning to anyone old than 30 or 40. However in my experience it is far more a ‘thing’ in London than anywhere else, I don’t just mean the countryside but I’ve met many people from say Manchester who just don’t eat chicken as fast food. So anyway I can understand why people wouldn’t see this as having racist connotations but to me and my friends it certainly would. It just seems an offensive caricature, similar to saying an Indian needs money to buy more curry or a Chinese person needs it for noodles. I dunno what the author had in mind.

[Jose Gracchus]

American white people food sucks, or is ripped off of others. They love their coloreds food but they are happy to point out that it isn't 'theirs'. They're just racists, do not try to make sense of it.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

how is he an idiot? there is this ridiculous agression in this forum against mainstream hip hop icons. he is just some motherfucker with tons of money and acts like any other dude in this class society with tons of money. honestly, the way people talk about hip hop culture here makes me think that the forum is a tad bit racist

I'm not racist. I just think he comes across as a particularly nasty piece of work, his lyrics to me just seem to play to the stereotype (And I do agree with you there is a racist stereotype) of hip hop culture.

I prefer people like Nas who deal with real issues (even though I don't agree with him on much, I respect him and he's a talented bloke), or Kano, who I can relate to.

Stop getting so defensive, I would say the same whether Snoop Dogg was a rap artist or a rock star. If they're idiots, they're idiots. Like Pete Doherty.:thumbdown:

[blackandyellow]

Beethoven was probably either bourgeois or aristocratic as fuck (which one, i dont know), but im sure Marx got down to the 9th symthany or whatever it is called.

[bricolage]

if we based music on 'moral communism' we'd never get to listen to any dancehall so fuck that.
I think as a person snoop probably isn't that nice, I wouldn't be that interested in hanging around with him but he's still made good songs.

[MustCrushCapitalism]

*Most* music, I tend to not favor or disfavor due to political ideology, but Snoop Dogg is decent, unlike most modern rap.

And that article is so incredibly racist I don't even know what to say about it.

[Devrim]

And that article is so incredibly racist I don't even know what to say about it.

Why is it racist?

Devrim

[Manic Impressive]

Beethoven was probably either bourgeois or aristocratic as fuck (which one, i dont know), but im sure Marx got down to the 9th symthany or whatever it is called.
Marx was a fan of Wagner and if you know anything about his views on certain things it would reinforce your point ;)

[Geiseric]

OG Snoop Dogg is fuckin sick, I'm talking about like Gin and Juice. Before Rap went mainstream it was great, now it really sucks.

[Pirate Utopian]

OG Snoop Dogg is fuckin sick, I'm talking about like Gin and Juice. Before Rap went mainstream it was great, now it really sucks.

Gin and Juice was mainstream, it was in the charts and everything. #1 in the U.S. Billboard Hot Rap Singles.

What's all this shit about mainstream/underground anyway? Why dont you people like it when artists you listen to achieve success? Dont most artists want a large fanbase?

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I like some stuff Snoop Dogg has done like Gin and Juice and I'm listening to Deep Cover right now. Some of his stuff is just terribly sexist though and I can't stand listening to it.

[Zostrianos]

I love classic Snoop: Doggystyle, Doggfather....
Nowadays his music has deteriorated, and sounds the same as all the other autotune bubblegum pop you hear all over the place.

[Le Libérer]

This thread is off to chitchat.

[RadioRaheem84]

I love classic Snoop: Doggystyle, Doggfather....
Nowadays his music has deteriorated, and sounds the same as all the other autotune bubblegum pop you hear all over the place.

Snoop Dogg is cartoon character these days, selling out for whatever product that pays him right.

The guy's music is beyond whack, for shizzle.

[RHIZOMES]

No serious British person should ever do anything but avoid The Sun. That paper's role in the Hillsborough disaster should be enough to condemn it to the dustbin of history.

The article is racist.

Snoop Dogg, however, is a fucking vile idiot.

I love Fried Chicken.

That's the extent of my non-chronologically arranged thoughts on this topic.

Snoop Dogg is awesome.

http://www.shoppingblog.com/pics/snoop_dogg_count_dracula_halloween_costume.jpg

No other gangsta rapper could get away with wearing that, except Snoop Dogg. And yet what makes him a gangsta makes him hilarious too, they are intrinsically tied up.

Fuck listening to music based on what boxes they tick for your particular political dogmas.

[Pirate Utopian]

1 joint! HAHAHA! 2 joints! HAHAHA! 3 joints! HAHAHA!

[black magick hustla]

Why is it racist?

Devrim

"fried chicken" is like "watermelon", they were slave food and there is all this history of people making racist remarks about that.

[Wanted Man]

This is actually pretty fucking funny. It must be some kind of editorial fuck-up, because there is no way an editor could check this (or write it himself) and actually publish it. Either that, or they just don't know about the fried-chicken stereotype in the UK. Which would kind of surprise me considering the penetration of American pop culture in Europe.

[Manic Impressive]

Either that, or they just don't know about the fried-chicken stereotype in the UK. Which would kind of surprise me considering the penetration of American pop culture in Europe.
Well neither me or Devrim realised the relation between Fried Chicken and slave stereotypes. Watermelon, sure, but fried chicken? nope not at all. In fact the way I see it portrayed in american pop culture is as a joke that I never really got which was usually mentioned by african americans about themselves. It's like I said, how many people outside of the UK would make a connection between a racist stereotype and marmalade?

[Devrim]

It's like I said, how many people outside of the UK would make a connection between a racist stereotype and marmalade?

I would: http://home.arachsys.com/~myhome/l_80s_footballer.jpg


Watermelon, sure, but fried chicken? nope not at all.

I wouldn't get a watermelon reference at all though.


Either that, or they just don't know about the fried-chicken stereotype in the UK. Which would kind of surprise me considering the penetration of American pop culture in Europe.

I lived there for over two decades in, and I never heard it. In some ways the UK is more resilient to American culture than other European countries despite sharing a language. Maybe it is because English has effectively become the global language, which allows the UK to develop a cultural industry of its own, which would surpass what you would expect from a country that size.

Devrim

[bricolage]

Like I said I think it's quite a recent thing and nothing to do with slavery but a caricatured view of how all black people behave.

As a comparison imagine if the article was referring to an Indian person and said;

"Immigration officials should all be warned he needs all that cash for more curry. For a skinny bloke, he really puts it away."

[Devrim]

middle england refers to class? i always though it refers to people from outside London or major cities.

Generally it refers to the non-urban middle class.


btw Devrim, what would a blowing out a candle reference mean in Turkey?

It would be a reference to a minority religions sect holding incestuous sex orgies.

You hear some pretty shocking racist stuff in Turkey though, the sort of stuff that you might have heard in the UK in the 1960s or 1970s, but which is no longer in any way acceptable there.

There was an English footballer here about ten years ago, whose club chairman referred to him as a 'discoloured cannibal'. The last time I spoke to a black person was a few years ago (there really are very few in Ankara) when I was walking to work and saw a couple of young lads (from Holland, one black, one white)who were obviously tourists looking confusedly at a map. I asked them if they needed any help, and as they were going the same way as me, I walked along with them chatting for about ten minutes. In this time I heard at least a dozen people say "Yamyama bak" (look at the cannibal).

Devrim

[Devrim]

Like I said I think it's quite a recent thing and nothing to do with slavery but a caricatured view of how all black people behave.

As a comparison imagine if the article was referring to an Indian person and said;

"Immigration officials should all be warned he needs all that cash for more curry. For a skinny bloke, he really puts it away."

Yes, I would understand that straight away. I understood your point but had never come across it before.

Devrim

[bricolage]

There was an English footballer here about ten years ago, whose club chairman referred to him as a 'discoloured cannibal'.
Slightly unrelated but I remember seeing a video of Darius Vassell arriving in Ankara and there were thousands of people there letting of flares and going nuts for him. I guess that had given me the impression that footballers in general were pretty well respected/loved in Turkey.

[black magick hustla]

Like I said I think it's quite a recent thing and nothing to do with slavery but a caricatured view of how all black people behave.

As a comparison imagine if the article was referring to an Indian person and said;

"Immigration officials should all be warned he needs all that cash for more curry. For a skinny bloke, he really puts it away."

The "fried chicken" stereotype has its source in soul food. Chicken was one of the only things slaves were allowed to keep.

[black magick hustla]

but honestly, who the fuck doesn't love watermelon and fried chicken. jesus

[Manic Impressive]

I would: http://home.arachsys.com/%7Emyhome/l_80s_footballer.jpg
Well alright I knew you'd get that, being a Manc :p


I wouldn't get a watermelon reference at all though.It was very common in American films of the early 20th century.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_g9Dol3VBYD0/Sal7Jsn4OUI/AAAAAAAAAo8/WkfQHNH-6mk/s400/Scrub_Me_Mama_watermelon.jpg

And to get that image I typed racist watermelon into google images and I can see what you guys mean the amount of vile shit that came up to do with fried chicken as well

[bricolage]

but honestly, who the fuck doesn't love watermelon and fried chicken. jesus
I don't think watermelon's that great really, but I've always wanted to do that thing where you stick a bottle of rum or something in it, leave it for a day then eat alcoholic slices. Can never be bothered though.

[L.A.P.]

He's a member of the racist anti-semitic Nation of Islam.

what!? No he isn't.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Pointing out how a black american man/woman did something fucked up(or is obsessed about) for Fried Chicken is a racial stereotype.

For international posters its like pointing out an angry arab man or woman and then pointing out he is muslim. (anger, arab, islam)

pointing out a wealthy jewish person and focusing on (jewishness, wealth, hoarding)

i dont know many other local stereotypes. But this is a racial stereotype. A whole article devoted to pointing out he did something for fried chicken is playing up to, and perpetuating a racist notion.


"A russian man robbed a bank for vodka" would be an example of a hypothetical headline with the same stereotypes being played up.

[Devrim]

Pointing out how a black american man/woman did something fucked up(or is obsessed about) for Fried Chicken is a racial stereotype.

...

i dont know many other local stereotypes. But this is a racial stereotype. A whole article devoted to pointing out he did something for fried chicken is playing up to, and perpetuating a racist notion.

But is it a racial stereotype if neither the writer nor the audience are aware of it? I am not saying that it is impossible that the writer thought he would slip in some racist comment. After all it is the Sun.

It would, however, have to go past an editor, and overt racism doesn't play that well in the UK nowadays. It is a long time since the "If you want a nigger for a neighbour..." billboards, and things today are a little more subtle.

As I said before, if I had just read this, I would have taken it as a reference to Americans and fast food culture, especially as there was another piece that linked to it about him talking about healthy eating, but ordering from McDonalds and Nando's (a Portuguese fried chicken chain). Europeans do, surprisingly, eat fried chicken to, and certainly did so before there were black slaves in America to make any racists stereotypes about, also in fact before there were chickens in North America for them to eat either.

So do you think it is racist even if nobody is aware of the stereotype, or do you think that people have some sort of obligation to be aware of US stereotypes.

Devrim

[Invader Zim]

This is actually pretty fucking funny. It must be some kind of editorial fuck-up, because there is no way an editor could check this (or write it himself) and actually publish it. Either that, or they just don't know about the fried-chicken stereotype in the UK. Which would kind of surprise me considering the penetration of American pop culture in Europe.


Sorry, but yes we do. And even if some people do not, it is very difficult to believe that this individual - given the choice of wording - did not.

[Ravachol]

There I was thinking the whole watermelon/fried chicking thing was the result of some internet memes.... Damnit 21st century!

On the other hand the stereotype isn't used at all over here in the Netherlands, the racist stereotype of 'food connected to black people' is usually a banana which is even more offensive if you ask me...

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

But is it a racial stereotype if neither the writer nor the audience are aware of it? I am not saying that it is impossible that the writer thought he would slip in some racist comment. After all it is the Sun.

It would, however, have to go past an editor, and overt racism doesn't play that well in the UK nowadays. It is a long time since the "If you want a nigger for a neighbour..." billboards, and things today are a little more subtle.

As I said before, if I had just read this, I would have taken it as a reference to Americans and fast food culture, especially as there was another piece that linked to it about him talking about healthy eating, but ordering from McDonalds and Nando's (a Portuguese fried chicken chain). Europeans do, surprisingly, eat fried chicken to, and certainly did so before there were black slaves in America to make any racists stereotypes about, also in fact before there were chickens in North America for them to eat either.

So do you think it is racist even if nobody is aware of the stereotype, or do you think that people have some sort of obligation to be aware of US stereotypes.

Devrim

I can assure you, people here are aware of the stereotype.

[Devrim]

I can assure you, people here are aware of the stereotype.

I don't think so. Certainly I have never heard it though admittedly it is years since I was living in England. I asked a couple of people (obviously not a very representive sample) I was talking to on Skype tonight, and they had no idea. Maybe it is something that is know in certain circles.


On the other hand the stereotype isn't used at all over here in the Netherlands, the racist stereotype of 'food connected to black people' is usually a banana which is even more offensive if you ask me...

Yes, I can remember people making monkey noises and throwing bananas at football matches, never making chicken noises though.

Devrim

[blackandyellow]

I don't think so. Certainly I have never heard it though admittedly it is years since I was living in England. I asked a couple of people (obviously not a very representive sample) I was talking to on Skype tonight, and they had no idea. Maybe it is something that is know in certain circles.


It's most likley more known to younger people in places like London, who are pretty influenced by American culture. Also, in London there are loads of fried chicken shops now, where as in places outside London it seems there are only Kebab shops or if you are really unlucky, only fish and chip shops, so they are probably unaware of fried chicken even being a popular food, let alone associating it with any specific ethnicity. Most people in London I know are aware of the stereotype, infact I would be surprised if one of my peers did not know.

[Zostrianos]

The guy's music is beyond whack, for shizzle.

It wasn't always that way:
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[coda]

<< It must be some kind of editorial fuck-up, because there is no way an editor could check this (or write it himself) and actually publish it>>

here's another editorial 'fuck up',,, in full context from the book 'John Stanley's Creature Features Movie Guide' (1981)..

WILLARD (1971) "Stephen Gilbert's RATMAN'S NOTEBOOKS is book material that proved a difficult mousetrap for director Daniel Mann and scripter Gilbert Ralston to set. You'll never be suckered in by it's cheesiness. Too unbelievable in depicting how a 27-year- old failure (Bruce Davison) trains an army of 500 rats to do his evil bidding, which includes murdering his boss (Ernest Borgnine). Despite many obvious shortcomings, WILLARD had tremendous box office snap, especially with black ghetto audiences. The sequel Ben, was also a money-maker but just as mousey."