Unbe-fucking-lieveable footage, girl run over, nobody cares

[Tim Cornelis]

Disgusting and unbelievable footage.

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[Luisrah]

That is so sad. I can't even believe it...

[Rusty Shackleford]

i want to vomit.

[DarkPast]

What to say... utterly disgusting :crying:

Could anyone translate what the guy is saying later on?

[ВАЛТЕР]

bystander effect?

[Zealot]

Arggghhhh I'm so fucking outraged!

I'd have to attribute it to the Bystander Effect, as ВАЛТЕР said

[Queercommie Girl]

This kind of thing is getting more common in our neoliberal capitalist world. Neoliberal capitalism is based on the principle of ruthless "dog-eat-dog" competition on every level, from the national to the individual, and in every sphere of life, from employment and business to romantic and sexual relationships, and humans are seen as machines, wild animals, or even worse, as livestock.

[Tim Cornelis]

This is not bystander effect because "the greater the number of bystanders, the less likely it is that any one of them will help", yet there was only one person passing each time.

In China it has occurred that people who aid victims of whatever crime or accident are blamed by the victim. A Shangai newspaper reported as a possible cause.

Though this is irrelevant, it's tragic.


This kind of thing is getting more common in our neoliberal capitalist world. Neoliberal capitalism is based on the principle of ruthless "dog-eat-dog" competition on every level, from the national to the individual, and in every sphere of life, from employment and business to romantic and sexual relationships, and humans are seen as machines, wild animals, or even worse, as livestock.

Really? You are going to turn this into a political excuse and argument against neoliberalism? I could forgive you for that if it was accurate--but it's not. This has nothing to do with neoliberalism.

[VirgJans12]

Are you sure this is real, and not edited? That the girl was really a cat or something? I can't imagine that many people just leaving a wounded little girl there like that.

[Zealot]

In China it has occurred that people who aid victims of whatever crime or accident are blamed by the victim. A Shangai newspaper reported as a possible cause.
True, we non-americans have the same idea about America with people getting sued left and right....can someone confirm this?

[Queercommie Girl]

In China it has occurred that people who aid victims of whatever crime or accident are blamed by the victim. A Shangai newspaper reported as a possible cause.


There are also literal fakes as well, not just in China, but in many other parts of the world - people who pretend to be victims to extract money from the people who help them. I once tried to help an African woman I met online with her problem, and she asked for money - it turned out in the end that she is a complete fake.

[Queercommie Girl]

Really? You are going to turn this into a political excuse and argument against neoliberalism? I could forgive you for that if it was accurate--but it's not. This has nothing to do with neoliberalism.


I don't know what you are talking about. A socialist should always be opposed to neoliberal capitalism anyway, and it can be statistically proven that human relations in many ways have worsened under neoliberal capitalism. In China for instance, this kind of thing would never have happened before the 1980s.

[Queercommie Girl]

Are you sure this is real, and not edited? That the girl was really a cat or something? I can't imagine that many people just leaving a wounded little girl there like that.

While I cannot prove the authenticity of this particular video clip, I don't think this is a fake because I know similar things have happened in China and elsewhere in the world.

Just because something may seem to be untrue intuitively, doesn't mean it is.

[Nox]

bystander effect?

I do think this may have been an extreme case of the bystander effect.

By the way, did anyone else notice that the girl's goot was severed and lying in the middle of the road?

[Tim Cornelis]

I don't know what you are talking about. A socialist should always be opposed to neoliberal capitalism anyway, and it can be statistically proven that human relations in many ways have worsened under neoliberal capitalism.

Oh really?

"Neoliberal capitalism is forcing me to compete in the labour market. 'Oh look, a girl bleeding to death, I'm going to walk past by her because capitalism corrupted me'".

It's bullshit. I don't know what caused these people to walk past her, but blaming neoliberalism is infantile and ridiculous. It's a cheap shot that's not even accurate.

Please explain how competition, however ruthless, leads to apathy towards the life of a little girl? It's a non-sequitur!


In China for instance, this kind of thing would never have happened before the 1980s.

Right, in a period where those in power executed people without trials, ruled China in a totalitarian fashion, unleashed civil disorder in order to purge dissidents, and generally an anti-social environment people would not do this, but now in another anti-social environment all of a sudden they don't care?

[Queercommie Girl]

Oh really?

"Neoliberal capitalism is forcing me to compete in the labour market. 'Oh look, a girl bleeding to death, I'm going to walk past by her because capitalism corrupted me'".


No but frankly people who are ultra-busy every second of their lives wouldn't have as much incentive to waste valuable time of their lives (and perhaps money too) to help a stranger.

After all, from a purely materialistic perspective, nothing is lost by the person who simply ignores the victim at all.

Most mainland Chinese people today are atheists. There are no material or moral incentives to help others. There is no such thing as "instinctive morality" that just exists in the abstract. We don't help other people because we are literally compelled to do so by some kind of quasi-mystical moral force that exists in us. People decide what to do and what not to do based on rational reasoning.

And if you can understand Chinese and actually listens to what the man at the end of the video clip said, then you would see that the connection I've drawn here is partly based on empirical observation. It's fucking idiotic of you to draw absolute conclusions when you don't have the empirical information yet. Typical BS argument from abstract principles rather than empirical evidence. According to present-day public opinion in China, many ordinary citizens blame neoliberal capitalism for a multitudes of China's problems, including social problems. While a lot of this may not be objectively accurate, the democratic opinion of the masses cannot be ignored.



It's bullshit. I don't know what caused these people to walk past her, but blaming neoliberalism is infantile and ridiculous. It's a cheap shot that's not even accurate.
Why the fuck are you defending capitalism in anyway at all? What is your incentive in the first place? Oh, capitalism is bad but we still must fight it with "honour"? :rolleyes:

Don't know about you, but I'm the kind of person with no "honour" of this kind. Sometimes it's politically productive to deliberately spread negative propaganda about capitalism to raise the profile of socialism in people's consciousness, even if it is somewhat exaggerated.

I've never really had a thing for purely abstract "truth" or "honour". After all, in case you haven't noticed, the bourgeois spreads negative propaganda about the left all the time.

BTW, congratulations, because you've just called the significant proportion of Chinese citizens "infantile", :rolleyes: because as I said, the general public opinion in China at the moment is that neoliberal capitalism is partly to blame for the social problems in China today, and democratic mass opinion matters.

Stop drawing conclusions when you know shit about the situation on the ground in China.



Please explain how competition, however ruthless, leads to apathy towards the life of a little girl? It's a non-sequitur!
Please explain why humans should "naturally" have sympathy for others in the first place, when there are no material or moral incentives to do so. I don't believe in abstract "human nature" or "intuitive ethics". There are only political ethics, no "natural ethics". Ethics is a matter of rational reasoning, not intuition.



Right, in a period where those in power executed people without trials, ruled China in a totalitarian fashion, unleashed civil disorder in order to purge dissidents, and generally an anti-social environment people would not do this, but now in another anti-social environment all of a sudden they don't care?
Do you deny that the economic base of neoliberal capitalism can have an effect on people's cultural superstructure? And your point about Maoist China is partly based on Western propaganda too, but I'm not going to argue it with you here. At any rate, there is a big difference between some corrupt bureaucrats misusing their powers and moral degradation in the general populace.

BTW, what you said about "suing those who help victims" does happen occasionally, but is economically linked with neoliberalism too. Before the 1990s, there would have been no opportunity for anyone to sue in this kind of way.

[Queercommie Girl]

Another issue: (Not related to the discussion/debate so far)

As bad as this incident is, it's also pretty fucking outrageous to see the comments of some people on YouTube. Insulting Chinese people as a whole over this incident? What fucking racist scum these people are.

See:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqVYUzHc5L8&feature=player_embedded

china is a miserable fucking shithole of a place, filled with worthless inhuman scum.

It's China. The Chinese hate kids. I'm surprised she went undrowned long enough to be run over in the first place.

Mainland Chinese, listen UP, if you guyz still dun help each others, become more selfish, u ll regret when next victim is you!!!

chinese people are total scumbags, & also extremely cold people. they are also extremely brutal to animals! they cut off sharks fins, and then throw the body back in the water, as if it was able to swim or something. chinese people are the only human beings i hate, and this pretty much seals the deal. fuckin low lives!!!! their food sucks too! if we were to ever war with these people, i'd be the first to sign the fuck up.

What can u do? Chinamen brains are full of chemical, moral ethical can't kicks in anymore

Chinese Attitude: I despise children. I am glad I never was one. If there were no children on the planet the world would be a better place

I wish these racist scumbags are shot en masse. Fucking racist scum.

[Catmatic Leftist]

its not majority of chinese are bad, just like a minority of eurasians are bad, u cant blame them all because of 1 problem. and besides its the governments thats the 1 to blame, they shape the laws and how their citizens behave. in china u could get sued for not minding your own business, and so this law can be seen in effect in this video..

Is this true? If so, that explains a lot. That's just fucked up.

[PhoenixAsh]

2-year-old female child ran over by car, 18 passersby ignore her
Synopsis: October 13th afternoon around 5:30, a car accident occurred at the Guangfo Hardware Market in Huangqi of Foshan. A van hit a 2-year-old little girl and then fled. No passersby reached out to help and then another car ran over her. Over the span of 7 minutes, a total of 17 people passing by failed to extend a hand or call the police, up until the 19th person, a garbage scavenger ayi [older woman], who lifted her up after discovering her but the little girl in her arms was like a noodle, immediately collapsing back onto the ground. The trash scavenger ayi called for help, and the little girl’s mother, who was in the vicinity, immediately rushed over and rushed her to the hospital.



The news report video above has been viewed nearly 700k times on popular Chinese video-sharing website Youku since it was uploaded 17 hours ago and currently has over 6200 comments spanning 210 pages. This story is also spreading on China’s popular microblogging service Sina Weibo in addition to receiving a lot of views and comments on China’s major internet news portals and communities.

In addition to showing the little girl, Yue Yuem being run over twice and many of the bystanders who didn’t stop to help her, it also shows that Yue Yue is currently in the hospital in critical condition. Police have already found the second driver but have yet to find the first driver as they were unable to read the first van’s license plate and are calling upon witnesses for help. Yue Yue’s parents are also shown.

[Catmatic Leftist]

...and now the anti-communist red scare bullshit comes in the comments...

Thanks a lot china communist party
Oh youtube, how can you be so predictable.

And I just threw up at the racist comments.

[PhoenixAsh]

that guy is the dad for the poor girl, he said some1 gave him a call and asked him for his bank account number because he wants to bank in some money to him, the dad refused and thanked the anonymous guy, and the anonymous guy told him that he is actually the driver(1st or 2nd, didnt mention). The father said he went into rage and asked him to go surrender, but the driver refused to do so and said if you need money i can give you but i will not surrender.

[tir1944]

Truly despicable.
Shows the moral degradation of the capitalist society in "PR" China.
It's no accident that the 19th passer-by was a migrant worker street-sweeper who came over from rural areas where the Poison the so called "CPC" unleashed isn't that strong,yet.
Despicable.
Makes you sick in the stomach.
Also google "Nanjing Judge" case.
In China you can be sued for helping! And it should be the other way around...

[Commissar Rykov]

This was beyond disturbing and really made me sick. How the hell do you leave a little girl dying on the street like that? Also how the fuck do you run her over after she has already been hit? Fucking hell.

[piet11111]

Reminds me of a bourgeois woman in china ramming her mercedes into a picketline because "they where in her way".

[Queercommie Girl]

This kind of thing though really teaches the people that there is no such thing as "abstract morality". Given the right socio-economic conditions, human beings are literally capable of anything imaginable, no matter how "evil".

[Yugo45]

What the fuck....

I really hoped this was fake and done by some sick fuck seeking youtube views, but appereantly, many legit (well, as legit as western news can get) news sources reported about this as well...

[Bronco]

Both the van drivers have been arrested now I believe

[Game Girl]

Oh god...I can't stop crying...That poor child...

Why didn't anyone help her?? What the hell is wrong with those people?!

[$lim_$weezy]

I don't really know what to say...

Fuck.

[Leonid Brozhnev]

Whoa, that is one of the most disturbing things I've seen in a while. To be ran over is one thing, but to be left by bystanders and then be ran over again is just fucked up.

[tfb]

Did she die?

[PhoenixAsh]

two people defriended me after I posted this on FB. Saying I ruined their morning.

[PhoenixAsh]

Ok...some more info.

In 2006 there was an infamous and widely reported case in China. A man who had helped an elderly woman who fell over to hospital was sued by her for her medical expenses as she claimed that he had pushed her. The man denied. In his verdict the judge said that...and I paraphrase..."common sense dictates that if he had done a good deed it would be more than likely that he had first committed a wrong deed and therefore it was entirely logical that he had pushed the woman. If he hadn't pushed her it would not have been logical for him to have brought her to hospital."

His fine was a small fortune in medical expenses....and I belive some jail time (but I am not sure on that)


This judgment was widely reported and in polls held after the case 80% of respondends stated they would no longer involve themselves in the lives of others even if their lives were threatenend seeing as this could get them in terrible trouble.

Several similar cases afterwards happened....which strengthened the fear of people to help.

This is why nobody cares about the girl. They are simply to afraid to get involved.



edit: Nanjing judge. the guy was named Peng Yu. \



Also....


The China Daily website said local media reported Yueyue could now take weak breaths with the help of a ventilator and her heart beat and blood pressure were stable.
However the hospital's head of neurosurgery said Yueyue is likely to be in a vegetative state if she survives.
Chen Xianmei, a 58-year-old rubbish collector who helped the girl, was awarded 10,000 yuan (about $1500).
A company has also offered her a job with a stable income, as well as offering donations to the girl's family.

[Queercommie Girl]

^

As I said, some of it is due to the legal system in China today.

Also, it's interesting that ultimately it was a dirt poor working class person that helped the girl, whereas the petit-bourgeois small traders just ran away. (Foshan has a huge number of small traders, many of them selling shoddy products, the drivers of the vehicles and some of the people who passed by are probably from this layer of society)

[Game Girl]

Did she die?

The world has been kept updated on her status...It's been announced that she's clinically brain dead.

[Yugo45]

She died today..

[Game Girl]

She died today..

I just heard...It's truly heartbreaking..That poor child...