NSM and "Arizona Border Guard" show up to Occupy Phoenix.. Armed...

[Rusty Shackleford]

http://firesneverextinguished.blogspot.com/2011/10/national-socialist-movement-scum-show.html

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Just a heads up. these fuckers are showing up armed and in fatigues.

[ВАЛТЕР]

How many people are occupying Phoenix? Also. this group seems dangerous, and reminds me of the Brownshirts.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Im not sure how many people are there, but its appalling the amount of naivete within the Occupy movement. Fuckers need to be crushed.

[Zealot]

I was thinking we were actually getting somewhere till I found out they were nazis...lol

[PhoenixAsh]

DON'T read the comments to that article is you do not want your blood pressure to go up...

[ВАЛТЕР]

The other protestors need to disarm them and kick their asses back to 1939 Germany where they'd feel more at home.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Spread the word. Post this on your local occupation's facebook page. post it on national forums and your own facebook page.

[tir1944]

Who are these people and what do they do?
Why are they bringing weapons?

[Rusty Shackleford]

They are members of the National Socialist Movement or are members of the Arizona Border Guard which is a section of the US Border Guard which is basically the nucleus of a modern SA in the US.

They are armed because they 'patrol' the desert and shoot at immigrants. Its also a machismo thing.

They are fascistic through and through. No question about it. So what if militias are constitutionally legal. If they are fascists they should be stopped.

[tir1944]

They are armed because they 'patrol' the desert and shoot at immigrants.
WTF? :confused:
How the hell is that legal? Man the US is really fucked up...

[Le Socialiste]

Yet another reason why people need to get beyond liberal dogmatism.

"Nazis are a part of the 99% too?" What kind of bullshit is that? I don't care what they're a part of, these bastards shouldn't have platform to spew their ideas. The naivety carried by some within this movement needs to be overcome if we're to move forward.

[Metacomet]

Maybe one of the cartel's will get annoyed with them and brush them aside.

[Le Socialiste]

WTF? :confused:
How the hell is that legal? Man the US is really fucked up...

Well, the state tends to be more supportive of those who do its dirty work...so long as they don't become too much of a liability.

Edit - For instance, I'm positive that if a 'leftist/anarchist' militia showed up (armed), they'd be shut down in a blink of an eye.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Its constitutionally legal to form a militia in the United States. In some states some militias work with the police, or even replace the police in some wilderness parts.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Well you people better get to forming a revolutionary peoples militia then. :)

[SHORAS]

Hypothetically does this mean if me and my mates show up with automatic weapons bearing the red flag essentially nothing will happen re cops etc? Or is it one rule for the far right and another for the far left?

[Susurrus]

So some Nazi CoD cosplayers showed up. Why? Were they trying to fight the protestors or infiltrate them?

[Rusty Shackleford]

Hypothetically does this mean if me and my mates show up with automatic weapons bearing the red flag essentially nothing will happen re cops etc? Or is it one rule for the far right and another for the far left?
Its illegal to own a fully automatic weapon. Unless you have a FFL or other kind of license.

Second, i dont know the legality of showing up with a bunch of friends with rifles to a public demonstration in the middle of a city. You certainly cannot have them loaded and im not sure about having ammunition/loaded clips/loaded magazines on your person with the weapon it goes to.


Kind of like a car, Ammunition and firearm must be in a separate compartment.


I guess thats something worth looking up. It also varies state by state. Hell, in CA i wonder if you have to keep a flag in the breech like at ranges.

[Catmatic Leftist]

This is scary.:scared:

[Tim Cornelis]

I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. I was there and while I was being told those armed individuals were Nazi's (even if it so)-- the other's were disrespectful in regard to pointing them out and yelling names about them and their actions. They seemed very respectful to me. We are all in this world together and somehow we have to learn to get along regardless of our opinions, dogma and ideologies.

It's amazing how the irony of this is not apparent to the writer.

"They were Nazis"
"But the others were disrespectful towards them"
"We are all in this world together and somehow we have to learn to get along"

[ВАЛТЕР]

"We are all in this world together and somehow we have to learn to get along"

Or we can stick them in labor camps and not worry about the spread of nationalism and hate from the side of these small-minded individuals.

[OHumanista]

Ohh man, the US really keeps surprising me when I think it won't anymore...not really.
In any case I wonder why they are there...:sleep:

[SHORAS]

Someone should have shouted "go back to Nazi Germany" for the lols.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Its constitutionally legal to form a militia in the United States. In some states some militias work with the police, or even replace the police in some wilderness parts.

Well, yes, technically it is legal to form a militia, but the federal government has taken a keen interest in what these groups do. The populist right-wing (which encompasses the militia movement, some of the more extreme anti-tax folks, and survivalists/crazy libertarians and Constitutionalists) concern the feds a lot more than leftist groups do at this point. They and the radical environmentalists are the priority as far as domestic threats go (but of course both groups are completely overshadowed by Islamic fundamentalists). Just recently there was a sting in Fairbanks Alaska, relatively close to where I live, involving a militia organization obtaining machine guns and grenades, in (allegedly) a plan to assassinate judges/government officials.

There was an article in (IIRC) Time Magazine about a militia organization in Ohio that was training and stockpiling weapons in preparation for the Obama administration unleashing Muslim para-militaries on the population. When you have beliefs like that, combined with (in some cases) an impressive degree of weaponry and training, it definitely draws the attention of authorities.

It's kind of died off now, but I noticed for a bit it was kind of a new theme in some media coverage, the supposed growth of militias in the USA. I guess it's kind of theme with recent Democratic presidents...back in the 90's when Clinton was in office, you had some of the same kind of hysteria regarding militias and white supremacist militant groups.

[The Last Black Cowboy]

saw them bragging about this on sf....are people here completely against guns? i've been thinking about getting a couple for some time now. we live in dangerous times.

[Mindtoaster]

Comments are saying that wasn't the NSM, just the right-wing border guard thing


Also. These guys look like fucking nerds. Like I'd think they were at a stargate convention or something if it weren't for the assault rifles

[Mindtoaster]

Who are these people and what do they do?
Why are they bringing weapons?

Militias. They're like the National Guard, except fat

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Comments are saying that wasn't the NSM, just the right-wing border guard thing

The right-wing border guard thing=Nazis having fun getting to shoot at immigrants.

Not every single one is part of the NSM but many of them are and as the article says some of those people were identified as NSM members.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Comments are saying that wasn't the NSM, just the right-wing border guard thing


Also. These guys look like fucking nerds. Like I'd think they were at a stargate convention or something if it weren't for the assault rifles


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[Princess Luna]

Comments are saying that wasn't the NSM, just the right-wing border guard thing


Also. These guys look like fucking nerds. Like I'd think they were at a stargate convention or something if it weren't for the assault rifles
Please don't insult nerds, by comparing us with these morons. Being a nerd requires some intelligence, members of the so called "Arizona Border Guard" don't qualify to say the least.......

[Commissar Rykov]

I would say I am surprised but it is Arizona and the American Southwest seems to create these kinds of crazies it might be all the sun. I know a recent occupy group that has cropped up locally has some nutbar blaming the Jews for ruining the economy. Which makes me question whether I should even attend their events since it is such a small group.

[Jimmie Higgins]

When people said the tea-party were fascists, I would say, well for them to really be fascists, we'd have to have a worker's movement in the US for them to intimidate and try and crush. Well now there is more of a movement for fascists to try and smash, so we need to be on alert. There will be increasing right-wing push-back from Wisconsin and this occupy movement so that's a prime reason to make arguments about both the cops and the right-wing with folks we are meeting through the occupation actions and other things popping up right now.


Hypothetically does this mean if me and my mates show up with automatic weapons bearing the red flag essentially nothing will happen re cops etc? Or is it one rule for the far right and another for the far left?Hypothetically laws are supposed to be applied equally, but in reality they are not. Armed Black Panthers got the right wing (and Regan no less) to support strict gun control laws.

[GatesofLenin]

Another group of US-sponsored murderers, so what's new?

[KurtFF8]

So some Nazi CoD cosplayers showed up. Why? Were they trying to fight the protestors or infiltrate them?

This is crucial. If anyone was present or can find out about this, this is the important question.

Them being there to influence the occupy movement is quite different from them trying to counter it, and I'm afraid the article does not make it very clear.

[Rusty Shackleford]

If i can make it to my local occupation im going to give a speech at the open forum on anti-fascism.

[agnixie]

Aren't the AZ antifa mostly armed too?

[Rusty Shackleford]

Aren't the AZ antifa mostly armed too?
i never knew there was an AZ antifa.

antifascist organizing in AZ is mostly done by the latino community organizations (Brown Berets, Dreamers, MECHA, etc.) The PSL and ANSWER Coalition are also active in Phoenix.

[agnixie]

i never knew there was an AZ antifa.

antifascist organizing in AZ is mostly done by the latino community organizations (Brown Berets, Dreamers, MECHA, etc.) The PSL and ANSWER Coalition are also active in Phoenix.

Thanks, I actually wasn't sure if there was an official AZ antifa either or simply adhoc united fronts from the local left or something.

[Os Cangaceiros]

There was a demo a while back in which a bunch of anarchists showed up armed. Read about it in Fires Never Extinguished or something.

But really, showing up with guns is all just showmanship. Chances are the fascists won't run up on you with guns drawn at a public event, in a public place.

[RedHal]

There was a demo a while back in which a bunch of anarchists showed up armed. Read about it in Fires Never Extinguished or something.

But really, showing up with guns is all just showmanship. Chances are the fascists won't run up on you with guns drawn at a public event, in a public place.

don't forget the Greensboro massacre, fascists with guns shouldn't be taken as a joke.

[KurtFF8]

The first comment on this blog post:


Not one of those people in that photo is a member of the NSM.

SGT Harry L. Hughes III
NSM-AZ Executive Officer/Media Spokesman
NSM-MEDIA Associate Producer

[Commissar Rykov]

The first comment on this blog post:
Which he gets hammered for in the following comments and doesn't respond to the fact those pictured had identified with the NSM. He was just attempting to make it look like your average white guy had shown up with assault rifles and not your local wannabe SA.

[Rusty Shackleford]

The first comment on this blog post:
The way i see it, its like the PLP or PCP in the US. Except the NSM is just a little less about hiding.

I wont trust a nazi on anything.

[Fluoride]

splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/american-border-patrol/american-patrol
splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups
splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/profiles

[VukBZ2005]

Can you post something more coherent, Fluoride?

[Smyg]

I demand left-wing militas. Now. Do not disappoint me America!

[RED DAVE]

I demand left-wing militas. Now. Do not disappoint me America!Grow up.

RED DAVE