Pakistan - Tea Party`s Dream

[molotovcocktail]

After watching Tea Party members talking about politics, one thing seemed quite obvious. Tea Party desires Pakistan`s political model.

1) Tea Party wants to phase out welfare, and make the USA to a libertarian society where the only responsibility of the government is safety.

Pakistan have no welfare or social security, no public health care or public schools. The only task of the Pakistani government are law and order, and the military.

2) Tea party wants to reduce taxation heavily, and eliminate the taxes of the richest.

Pakistan have nearly no taxes at all, and a comprehensive system of tax shelters so the richest don't pay any tax at all.

3) Tea Party are socially conservative, they desire a society founded on religious values. Where people act moral, and use the bible as a guideline through their lives.

This one is obvious, just swap Islam with Christianity.

Considering the standards of living in Pakistan, a President supported by Tea party are seriously going to turn the USA into a disaster.

[RichardAWilson]

Amen!

[RGacky3]

great points :)

[molotovcocktail]

The moral in this text is:
USA have a great future if a Tea party supported prsident get elected:rolleyes:

[Robert]

1) Tea Party wants to phase out welfare, and make the USA to a libertarian society where the only responsibility of the government is safety.
Wrong, shallow, and confused.


2) Tea party wants to reduce taxation heavily, and eliminate the taxes of the richest.
Eliminate taxes of the richest? Absurdly false.


3) Tea Party are socially conservative
True.


, they desire a society founded on religious values.True.


Where people act moralTrue.


And use the bible as a guideline through their lives.Probably true for most of the members, as it's true of millions of Americans of every political affiliation.

By the way, there is no "Tea Party," just as there is no "Occupy Wall Street Party." They're both just loose confederations of ordinary people with reasonable concerns for the future.

[Nox]

Even better, how about Somalia or the Congo?

[Bud Struggle]

Even better, how about Somalia or the Congo?

Well known Anarchist nations. :)

[RGacky3]

Sure, if you redefine what anarchism is compleately, you might as well Somalia is a well known social-democracy, as long as you redefine what that means.

Stop trolling.

[molotovcocktail]

Wrong, shallow, and confused.
Tea party leader Bill Branson Said this
“It’s ridiculous that the rich should ever pay taxes” http://www.starrsblog.com/2011/04/12/tea-party-calls-for-no-taxes-for-the-rich-abolishment-of-federal-government-a-satirical-piece/

It is a fact that tea party wants to heavily reduce the taxation of the richest. Most tea party ideologists mean that the richest people should not pay taxes due to their"efforts for reducing unemployment, and hard work in general":rolleyes:


Well known Anarchist nations.
You are mixing failed states with anarchist states. Two completely different things.

[Robert]

Tea party leader Bill Branson Said this Quote:
“It’s ridiculous that the rich should ever pay taxes”
http://www.starrsblog.com/2011/04/12...tirical-piece/ (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.starrsblog.com/2011/04/12/tea-party-calls-for-no-taxes-for-the-rich-abolishment-of-federal-government-a-satirical-piece/)You're citing a satirical piece. It says that right in the title.

Is this whole thread a joke or just that one article?



Most tea party ideologists mean that the richest people should not pay taxes due to their"efforts for reducing unemployment, and hard work in general"

Change "most" to "practically no" and you maybe on to something.

Surely you can find something more principled and fact-based to criticize?

[molotovcocktail]

You're citing a satirical piece. It says that right in the title.

Is this whole thread a joke or just that one article?
Do you even know what satire is? Satire is political humor. . Just because something is funny doesn't make it wrong
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire
And it is really difficult to be serious when you talk about something as ridiculous as The Tea Party
Additionally, several tea party ideologists have said that on TV.
Except from what FOX might tell you, Tea party is not a movement of the people to lower taxes. Big corporations have long ago turned it into a tool for making the richest even richer.

[Tim Cornelis]

Well known Anarchist nations. :)

Would you please stop saying that capitalist countries with central governments are anarchist, for fuck sakes!

[Judicator]

You're basically saying "The tea party wants a society with features X, Y, and Z. Here is a society with features X, Y, Z, and Q. Therefore, the tea party wants a society with Q." If you don't see how this is absurd on it's face then consider an example:

"You socialists want Democracy. Ancient Greece was a Democracy and practiced pederasty. Therefore socialists want pederasty." (If you want to nitpick at the history I can generate more examples).

The only alternative would be to prove that X, Y, and Z imply Q, which you haven't even tried to do in your argument.

[RichardAWilson]

It'd make more sense to state that Tea Party Ideology can be correlated with mainstream Pakistani Ideology.

The Tea Party is ultra-conservative and based on traditional religious values, much like the Islamic Pakistanis.

The Tea Party believes in a limited state (I.e. Defense and Security), much like the Pakistani Regime.

The upper echelon of the Tea Party would like to minimize the taxation of billionaires and millionaires as a means of "rewarding them" for their perceived contributions to this nation.

The Tea Party's financial well-being is tied to a handful of the super-rich (I.e. Koch Brothers), much like Pakistan's political parties are tied to the financial well-being of the connected upper-class.

[RGacky3]

You're basically saying "The tea party wants a society with features X, Y, and Z. Here is a society with features X, Y, Z, and Q. Therefore, the tea party wants a society with Q." If you don't see how this is absurd on it's face then consider an example:

"You socialists want Democracy. Ancient Greece was a Democracy and practiced pederasty. Therefore socialists want pederasty." (If you want to nitpick at the history I can generate more examples).

The only alternative would be to prove that X, Y, and Z imply Q, which you haven't even tried to do in your argument.

Whats the Q here ... Islam?

[Revolution starts with U]

Militaristic dictatorship

[ComradeMan]

I don't know why you had to pick on Pakistan though...

[RGacky3]

Except its not a military dictatorship anymore, and we arn't picking on Pakistan, we're picking on the Tea-Party.

[Rafiq]

Comrademan's point (I think) is that there is a bunch of countries that have can qualify to the OP's post if they just replace Pakistan... Pakistan is a bit random to choose

[Judicator]

Whats the Q here ... Islam?

It doesn't really matter what Q is, it's a terrible argument in any case.

But if I'm going to speculate on the OP's motive, presumably anything bad about Pakistan outside of the 3 features which it apparently has according to the OP.

[RGacky3]

IT does matter what the Q is ... tell me what the Q is, where is the Q?

[Judicator]

IT does matter what the Q is ... tell me what the Q is, where is the Q?

Why? If it's a terrible argument on logical grounds then it doesn't matter what you stick in for the variables.

Anyway I already answered your question:

"But if I'm going to speculate on the OP's motive, presumably [Q is] anything bad about Pakistan outside of the 3 features which it apparently has according to the OP."

[RGacky3]

All of the problems he was talking about was'nt related to this mystereous "Q," he was talking about X Y and Z and all the problems related TO THEM, and how its similar or the same to tea party principles.

Tell me what the Q is.