How come Ron Paul does not get more support from big corporations and republican part

[nowarbutclasswar]

Seems like his ideology would be most beneficial to large corporate interests and, by extension, the GOP. Wondering why he is always marginalized. Any thoughts?

[MarxSchmarx]

Understand that the American Republican voting base is much more authoritarian than libertarian. As such candidates like Ron Paul are going nowhere, and the major corporations are savy enough to understand this.

[Teacher]

Because Paul is batshit crazy.

I think he plays his role in moving the goalposts of political debate, especially on economic issues, further to the right. However his ideas are a complete anathema to the capitalist class because they like to marshal state power on their behalf. The type of laissez faire capitalism he advocates is not something that exists in reality or ever has existed in reality.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Don't forget that many large corporations and business sectors love and need state subsidies and support that Ron Paul would cut. This is why he doesn't get the love from Koch brothers and their wicked ilk.

[Commissar Rykov]

Ron Paul is batshit insane and poses a danger to Capital not because he wishes to abolish it but that he basically wants to start from zero again by being regressive. Even the Bourgeoisie are not stupid enough to do that.

[R_P_A_S]

all great points guys! a couple sentences and BAM! nailed it right on the head!
So you mean to tell me my so call socialist friends who are cheerleaders for this muppet know less about politics than the COCK brothers? lols

[Jose Gracchus]

Paul is a fanatic ideologue who doesn't seem to realize U.S. capital doesn't want what it needed in the 1890s anymore.

Also, Koch is pronounced the same as Coke.

[RedGrunt]

Ron Paul is batshit insane and poses a danger to Capital not because he wishes to abolish it but that he basically wants to start from zero again by being regressive. Even the Bourgeoisie are not stupid enough to do that.

Exactly. Lets start this system over, more open of a market, and all us petite-bourgeouisie get to become the new bourgeois class. + what was said about the subsidies

[Os Cangaceiros]

Capital doesn't like "small government". That's a myth. Stiff tariffs helped the American business community gain a lot of power, which they held unto with regulatory measures to help "rationalize" the economy and eliminate competition.

[Jose Gracchus]

Yeah the sad thing is how even the Right forgot business' role in the "Progressive Era" and bought the New Dealer hook-line-and-sinker that it was about helping people, when meatpackers loved The Jungle and passing the FDA because it drove small shops out of competition and made their products internationally competitive.

And of course, The Jungle was written as a clarion call for socialism, not meatpacking regulation. The co-option of the day.

[∞]

As much as you guys love to bash anyone who doesn't share the same political views as you. There is a very simple reason why corporations dislike Ron Paul. Ron Paul's platform wants to hinder the strength of the corporation. Why would any giant conglomerate want to support Ron Paul? Because he flat-out doesn't like them. They believe him.

Its not necessarily because Ron Paul is wrong. That reason doesn't suffice. I however, do think hes wrong.

[Grenzer]

I would say the main reason Corporations don't back them is that, although Paul is an unapologetic capitalist, he's not too big on imperialism. I think the capitalist establishment would prefer a president that could get them more favorable conditions of exploitation in the third world.

Also, I would have to echo Jose Gracchus. Paul very much wants to return the United States to the way it was in the late nineteenth century. I think the corporate elite are wise enough to see that the working class would begin to become wildly angry over this.

[Ocean Seal]

Ron Paul is too stupid to be useful to the large corporations as anything more than a distraction for the working class.

[CornetJoyce]

Paul is a threat to nothing. He first ran for the imperial office 20 years ago and is taken seriously only by people who can't be taken seriiously.
The real Ron Paul question is, why is his perpetual candidacy perpetually greeted in very small circles like the second coming of Royal Charlie?

[R_P_A_S]

Paul is a fanatic ideologue who doesn't seem to realize U.S. capital doesn't want what it needed in the 1890s anymore.

Also, Koch is pronounced the same as Coke.


could you explain this better? What exactly did US Capital want in the late 1800s?

[black magick hustla]

he is a nutcase. "free market" only exists in economic models

[Jose Gracchus]

could you explain this better? What exactly did US Capital want in the late 1800s?

Low regulation, low federal expenditures, very low tax and regulatory burden. This makes sense when you consider the kind of industries and the formal domination of capital at the time. The U.S. was still in the process of reorganization agriculture away from small producers, creating large proletarian populations for the most basic industries, etc. tasks we all associate today with the most raw cheap labor demands, basically things that we associate with Third World outsourcing, the most basic production. This is even before Fordism was inaugurated, where capital has centralized and developed to where the State needs to implement rationalization, regulation, etc. for the real domination of capital. By the early 20th century much more capital intensive business and manufacturing had come to predominate, and a stable pool of literate and basically educated labor was necessary. No using them up til they drop and simply sucking excess peasants from the Catholic countryside of Europe, which had been the late 19th c. MO.

Where it gets really absurd is where Paul and his ilk think this kind of program was ever rational without tariff barriers to protect native basic industry in development.

[RedGrunt]

Capital doesn't like "small government". That's a myth. Stiff tariffs helped the American business community gain a lot of power, which they held unto with regulatory measures to help "rationalize" the economy and eliminate competition.

I think this has more to do with a developed form of capitalism. It eventually full-out merges with government, especially in times of crises, such as would be the case with the rise of Fascism.

[Bardo]

There seem to be two types of Ron Paul fans. The oblivious type of college stoner, who likes to shout "this is America!" while being arrested for some misdemeanor. The other is the politicized laissez faire proponents who are nostalgic for the days when workers had no rights and could be profited from inexplicably.

[R_P_A_S]

I know some of you guys probably hate me for asking so much stuff. But I would love to see some stuff on how Ron Paul does not support worker rights or would if elected.

[Lucretia]

Seems like his ideology would be most beneficial to large corporate interests and, by extension, the GOP. Wondering why he is always marginalized. Any thoughts?

It's not. Big corporations depend heavily on state intervention, which Ron Paul opposes. His ideas on monetary policy would also not be kind to banks.

[molotovcocktail]

The reason to why the big corporations do not support him, is because he is to far right to win the presidential election. They rather support somebody who can win.

[Rafiq]

Because Ron Paul is not "all there", if you know what I mean.

[CornetJoyce]

So why are progressives still obsessed with ron paul when the man of the hour is herman cain?

[Zealot]

He wants to end the federal reserve and return to the gold standard, 'nuff said. Maybe it's not such a bad thing to support him, he would be America's Gorbachev because he's batshit insane.

[CAleftist]

Seems like his ideology would be most beneficial to large corporate interests and, by extension, the GOP. Wondering why he is always marginalized. Any thoughts?

His ideas are not politically viable or practical in the least.